Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

[DemonHybrid]

Is your point that he said he picked town, and suggested that he didn't pick scum?

I think that's a normal RQS from someone like him. Just because he was able to pick town doesn't mean that there's more of a chance for other people on the team to be scum. If we're going back to team meta, I have plenty of games where I fucked up totally as scum and I wouldn't risk picking scum in the Team Mafia games. We got 4 town role PMs; you'll find that Parama, Regfan and Nico all flipped town already.

However, I understand your concern over that statement. Just think of the motivation for someone to out someone through related team mafia game meta; there isn't any.

Related to the game: At first glance, my main scumread is Amrun. Her late-day reactions were so extremely fake-looking, however, I'm going to read up on Thor connections and get back to everyone. That read might change.

[Amrun]

Um. That is against the rules.

My dad had a heart attack so I will only be around sporadically. That's just the way it is.

[Equinox]

Um. That is against the rules.

Game's over. AFAIK, I can discuss it. And if I got modkilled, then... uh, that wouldn't be TOO bad, I guess? Team wouldn't appreciate it, though.

DemonHybrid, I asked because that looks like a slip. Why would Nicodemus say, specifically, why he didn't take scum? This is part of the reason why I asked you yesterday if you guys had been communicating to see if you'd try to cover for this, but you didn't even touch on it. You're right that there's no motivation to out someone via Team Mafia meta, but if someone screws up, someone screws up.

That said, let me process your response there and read stuff and get back later on that.

[Equinox]

Faraday wants y'all to know that DemonHybrid's response was a scum response and he's entertaining a DemonHybrid-LlamaFluff pairing.

[Equinox]

Okay, actually, we've been discussing about Thor665 getting bullseyed, which implicates Llamarble, so take out LlamaFluff. DemonHybrid-Llamarble's on the table.

DemonHybrid, Faraday wants to know who in your team would've taken a White Flag scum role PM.

[Amrun]

No, DH saying his team got all town PMs is specifically against the rules and he might get modkilled for it when TBM sees it. VPB did it in AGM and got warned and the ruling was made official that it wasn't allowed.

That is an interesting find with Nicodemus, but I can't reconcile that with the townie reaction to his fake hammer.

[Llamarble]

DAMMIT LONGPOSTEATEN on first attempt.
I don't understand the Sottylynch at all.
VOTE: Amrun

D1 DGB 'liked Fluff's aggressive jump on Klazam' while showing minimal interest in a Klazam lynch herself / voting SP.
FoS scumbuddy vote townie is one of the less dodgeable tells.
Then later she posted

"Sociopath is my first guess for a Klazambuddy for voting him & voting him again while not doing much else, but we'll see how things shake out." Then why not vote Sociopath instead of Klazam? Klazam hangs a bit lower than Sociopath on the fruit tree.

Reason for her to care which of them I lynch is Klazambuddy.

Klazam for his part had DGB as null and was all for the Sociopath counterwagon, then as DGB becomes clearly the lynch he posts the equivalent of "My teammates are telling me I shouldn't be ignoring DGB at this juncture."

Amrun replaced in and did catchuppy stuff and then her posting content tapered off noticeably.
She whiteknighted Seveitown on grounds of agreeing with a post that DIDN'T MAKE SENSE before it was posted.

What the fuck? That hammer was awful. I was counting on Llamarble's reaction to Sotty L-1.

Here's to hoping game over.

P-edit: fucking damnit. DH!!!!!!! Why!!!!

Does not townsense with a hammer by somebody you think is town on somebody you think is "9/10 scum."

I'm not sure who her buddy is, but they're playing well.
There are a lot of possibilities that make some sense, but all of them have done things that make me cringe a little.
I'll deepanalyze her buddy possibilities tomorrow. And I'll look into possibilities not including her too in case she is continuing in the tradition of Mute and Bub Bidderskins (town I lynched who megatunneled me) instead of the tradition of Zdenek (scum I lynched who tunneled me).

Continuous on-wagon kills are starting to make me lean towards double-offwagon.
2 of Amrun + DH + Fluff are the pairings that make most sense to me right now.

[Chris B]

DH - when Llamarble was at L-1, you backed away, on the basis that you wanted to see if anyone tried to derail the lynch. Later the same day, Sotty ended up at L-1, and you leaped in like the bloodlust had taken over.

If you stand by your method with Llamarble, why didn't you do the same thing with Sotty?

[DemonHybrid]

No, DH saying his team got all town PMs is specifically against the rules and he might get modkilled for it when TBM sees it. VPB did it in AGM and got warned and the ruling was made official that it wasn't allowed.

That is an interesting find with Nicodemus, but I can't reconcile that with the townie reaction to his fake hammer.

The games are over, though. I don't see what's modkillable about relaying public information.

[DemonHybrid]

Okay, actually, we've been discussing about Thor665 getting bullseyed, which implicates Llamarble, so take out LlamaFluff. DemonHybrid-Llamarble's on the table.

DemonHybrid, Faraday wants to know who in your team would've taken a White Flag scum role PM.

I'll get an answer to this and get back to you.

[DemonHybrid]

To Amrun: I understand the concern, but I thought the rule is that of speaking of ongoing games; with that logic, Equinox would be killed also.

[DemonHybrid]

DH - when Llamarble was at L-1, you backed away, on the basis that you wanted to see if anyone tried to derail the lynch. Later the same day, Sotty ended up at L-1, and you leaped in like the bloodlust had taken over.

If you stand by your method with Llamarble, why didn't you do the same thing with Sotty?

Can you give me the post number so I know exactly what you're talking about? TBM isn't fantastic with votecounts and I don't feel like searching forever and finding the wrong post.

[DemonHybrid]

To Faraday: Parama would take it.

[mith]

I'm with Amrun on the Nicodemus thing... possible slip (and a very good catch for an early game wagon starter, even if it was on the wrong person), but hammer reaction points to DH-town.

Haven't had any time today to read... maybe tomorrow, though I'll be out quite a bit. Is there any reason at this point not to claim teams? I'm dubious on trying to catch scum by team-meta, but at least it would reduce my confusion when referencing team-thinking.

[Chris B]

DH - when Llamarble was at L-1, you backed away, on the basis that you wanted to see if anyone tried to derail the lynch. Later the same day, Sotty ended up at L-1, and you leaped in like the bloodlust had taken over.

If you stand by your method with Llamarble, why didn't you do the same thing with Sotty?

Can you give me the post number so I know exactly what you're talking about? TBM isn't fantastic with votecounts and I don't feel like searching forever and finding the wrong post.

As of this post, Amrun, Chris, mith and Thor cannot be scum with Llamarble if Llamarble is scum.

All four have been consistently townie lately, with the exception of Thor (while he's been townie, it surely hasn't been consistently).

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

You think that Sotty AND mith would have bussed DGB? I'm not shooting it down, I'm just curious.

I see the Llama defending of Sotty. If he believed a Sotty/mith scumpair, he wouldn't be fighting this.

Unvote, Vote: Sotty

Let's spin the roulette wheel. At worst, this will give us a lot of answers.

You think that Sotty AND mith would have bussed DGB? I'm not shooting it down, I'm just curious.

Now, I'd forgotten that you Llama defending Sotty, but considering you weren't shooting it down, it doesn't look like he was white knighting her either.

I still find your reasoning on waiting to vote Llamarble to be scummy as hell. By announcing your intention to wait to see who white knighted, you meant that people either wouldn't, or that you were actually white knighting him in quite a smart way. Your question of LlamaFluff followed by an immediate vote, I find as scummy as hell. Why not wait for him to answer? To me, it comes across that you realised you had justification for your lynch and went for it instead.

I think Fluff is town. If he's scum, he had no reason to try and derail a Sotty lynch in favour of a mith lynch. Equinox has raised warning bells to me throughout the game, however I think the scum team is Llarmarble and DH.

Vote DemonHybrid

[Chris B]

Sorry, that wasn't meant to have the above quote twice. I copied and pasted rather than cut and pasted. Posts 1-3 took place within 8 hours of each other. Posts 2-3 took place within minutes of each other.

[DemonHybrid]

DH - when Llamarble was at L-1, you backed away, on the basis that you wanted to see if anyone tried to derail the lynch. Later the same day, Sotty ended up at L-1, and you leaped in like the bloodlust had taken over.

If you stand by your method with Llamarble, why didn't you do the same thing with Sotty?

Can you give me the post number so I know exactly what you're talking about? TBM isn't fantastic with votecounts and I don't feel like searching forever and finding the wrong post.

As of this post, Amrun, Chris, mith and Thor cannot be scum with Llamarble if Llamarble is scum.

All four have been consistently townie lately, with the exception of Thor (while he's been townie, it surely hasn't been consistently).

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

You think that Sotty AND mith would have bussed DGB? I'm not shooting it down, I'm just curious.

I see the Llama defending of Sotty. If he believed a Sotty/mith scumpair, he wouldn't be fighting this.

Unvote, Vote: Sotty

Let's spin the roulette wheel. At worst, this will give us a lot of answers.

You think that Sotty AND mith would have bussed DGB? I'm not shooting it down, I'm just curious.

Now, I'd forgotten that you Llama defending Sotty, but considering you weren't shooting it down, it doesn't look like he was white knighting her either.

I still find your reasoning on waiting to vote Llamarble to be scummy as hell. By announcing your intention to wait to see who white knighted, you meant that people either wouldn't, or that you were actually white knighting him in quite a smart way. Your question of LlamaFluff followed by an immediate vote, I find as scummy as hell. Why not wait for him to answer? To me, it comes across that you realised you had justification for your lynch and went for it instead.

I think Fluff is town. If he's scum, he had no reason to try and derail a Sotty lynch in favour of a mith lynch. Equinox has raised warning bells to me throughout the game, however I think the scum team is Llarmarble and DH.

Vote DemonHybrid

You actually make a fantastic point about LlamaFluff.

What are your thoughts on Amrun? I'm just curious.

And for the record, Llamarble had a lot more weird interactions with people than Sotty did. Sotty was very clear cut on who she believed was scum and town; Llamarble was a prime target for white knighting if he is indeed town. I didn't like Llama's sudden defending of Sotty; I re-read, and decided to go for the hammer to get information from everyone else, which I got from Amrun, Llama and Equinox in spades. I didn't need the answer to that question.

Like I said, my 100% bet is that it's Amrun. Not sure at all who her partner would be; but at least take a look at the hammer, why I did it and what the reactions were to it.

I forgot to do this, too:

Vote: Amrun

[DemonHybrid]

Possibly. I still prefer Llamarble.

If Llamarble isn't scum I'm going to go sit in a fucking corner.

P-edit: yes, llamarble.

It wouldn't be llamarble as a partner. LlamaFluff had no reason to derail the sotty wagon, like you said, if he was scum.

Leaves Equinox, you and mith. I mean, it's not that important who her partner is. But Amrun is a good lynch and I stand by that hammer as means of reaction gaining.

[Amrun]

Me and MITH? Lol.

[mith]

Llamarble and DemonHybrid: I have been asking this for a long time now, and I still haven't a satisfactory answer from anyone - Why would Amrun chainsaw me so hard if she were scum with anyone other than DH (which now seems pretty unlikely, given DH's vote)?

Skimmed a little bit of Amrun's ISO, and have also asked Hoopla to take a look when she gets a chance, but I'm just not seeing it. I think it's Fluff/Marble or Fluff/Equinox.

VOTE: LlamaFluff

[LlamaFluff]

@mith - Really?

I mean, apart from (WIFOM coming) Thor flip pointing away from me and Equi (and to marble/chris although I still dislike those two lynches), you are going to need to do some heavy duty explaining on the me/Equi pair since I really am at a loss to how you can even end up there. What else is your team saying though at this point?

Now, as I said looking at the most recent NK makes the kill seem to not come from Equinox since Thor ended the day saying that he didnt find Equi as scum, and when Chris is around, why would Thor die over him if he is poised to attack mith/marble/amrun? I mean, it would need to be equi-chris almost for that to make sense. That doesnt make sense so im thinking not Equinox again.

Now its a mith or amrun thing for me more or less.

[mith]

I am at those two pairs from PoE. I don't think Chris B, DH, or Amrun are scum, for reasons I have explained. I don't think Marble/Equinox makes sense from Equinox's reaction to the wagon yesterday. So it's you with one of them. QED.

Same question to you, Fluff, since you are now suggesting Amrun-scum (which is a pretty big shift from your day 2 stance): How do you explain her entrance to the game?

(My team isn't saying much of anything right now. Hoopla popped in to give the thoughts I summarized above, but otherwise they've been silent since they died in or finished their games.)

[Amrun]

What exactly rules out marble/equinox for you, mith?

[DemonHybrid]

Me and MITH? Lol.

Seriously?

That's the worst reply I've ever heard.

[Amrun]

Well that is the reply that theory is worth, tbqh. I was trying to sell my soul to get mith lynched on day 2 - as well as to NOT get you lynched. Ingrate. *grunmble grumble*

Why does everyone expect. Novels from me when I am v/la?