Mini 1710: A Midnight Sun -Game Over-

[4nxi3ty]

"Well, anyway. It was probably one of those nights where Eleanor was coming about face with the idea of old age with a head full of alcohol when she died."

"This was the night right before the sun rose?"

Vedith

(5)

- grapes, Elbirn, LicketyQuickety, Empoleon Bellapatre, Klingoncelt
Elbirn (2) - Firebringer, Vedith

Not voting: Suzune, BlankFace, VysePresident

With 10 players alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-10-05 19:05:44)

[VysePresident]

Dunno about you guys, but Vedith seems pretty Town to me right now.

As in, I'd lynch Klingon over him, if we must go that route.

[VysePresident]

@Mod - I unvoted Elbirn.

[Firebringer]

I really don't like a train on Vedith lol, unless we are 100% certain he is scum.
I have said he is mislynch bait, right?

[Vedith]

I didn't go on during lunch. But I think my point over Kling was there.
Who wants a friendly message before I'm chopped?

[VysePresident]

Sure

[Vedith]

Done! You keep hold of that tape, and you never let it go!

[VysePresident]

I'm never going to give it up. I'd never let you down. Never gonna say goodbye.

[Vedith]

*Wipes a tear away* That was beautiful!

[VysePresident]

Vedith's all but ObvTown. Let's not lynch him.

[VysePresident]

I'm willing to compromise on Klingon at this point, if we're still going to do this. If nothing else, at least her flip would be more useful to me.

[Suzune]

Sorry, having a super stressful day. Post coming soon~

[Firebringer]

Vedith's all but ObvTown. Let's not lynch him.

Why did you have a vote on him then?

Anyways, I agree he is pretty townie here.

[VysePresident]

Vedith's all but ObvTown. Let's not lynch him.

Why did you have a vote on him then?

Anyways, I agree he is pretty townie here.

Umm, I just checked, just in case I was just forgetting due to sleep deprivation, and no, I've never had a vote on Vedith.

I think I mentioned being a little suspicious of him when he first replaced in, but that wasn't much to work with. This is something I'm more confident in.

[BlankFace]

Vyse, how confident are you in your town read on Vedith?

[Klingoncelt]

Lost my post, however, my point here is that you couldn't get a lynch on your scum read so you decided to not only join the wagon with your scum read but also go against the only other person that read him as scum?

It basically tells me that you were voting him for later assessment as it was obvious he wouldn't be lynched going by peoples opinions on him.
I'm confident that he is scum, and I feel confident that you are his scum partner trying to distance yourself now.

Okay, you and I are sure that he's Scum. Two of us. Everyone else thinks he's Town. Two votes won't get him lynched, so why beat my head against the wall?

I am not his partner, I'm crappy at the distancing thing. I'm crappy at buddying too, actually. There are players that get wagons going on their teammates with some idea of gaining Town cred or something, I never do that. I've been the victim of a nasty D1 bus, I won't do that to someone else.

I'm not crazy about where my vote is. But I have to take this leap of faith and go with my fellow Townies on this.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm willing to compromise on Klingon at this point, if we're still going to do this. If nothing else, at least her flip would be more useful to me.

How would yet another Townie flip be useful to anyone but Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

You guys know that Town still has a resurrect, don't you? If Vedith flips Town we can bring him back.

[VysePresident]

Gonna take my chances on someone I believe is a better risk first, Klingon. As you said, losing a Townie is not a good thing.

@Blankface - I give Vedith about a 7/10. His reads matched mine enough for comfort, (Not on Elbirn, nor Grapes, and a little more of a scumread on LQ than I had, but roughly.) nor is his wagon inspiring me.

At this point, I'm looking at scum being mixed in: Elbirn, Klingon, EmpB, LQ. Elb & Klingon are not mutually exclusive, but rather unlikely. Of these two, Klingon is more likely to be a weak player. I'm willing to compromise lynch her, because for once, I can actually use a flip for information. (I'm going to keep this simple, and say that my theory is against informational lynches per se, to a very strong degree. I'll get into the reasons below.)

I'm willing to lynch any of the four on that list, with the order set being the one I'm most comfortable with as of this particular minute. My actual thoughts are kinda all over the place, though. More on/to Elb in a few.

Elb & Klingon are not mutually exclusive, but close enough that I'm going to look elsewhere in the event of one of them flipping scum.

Suz, Grapes, Blankface, and Fire are my Townreads. Of these, Fire is my weakest, while Vedith is more focused on Grapes as Null. If Elb & Kling are not buddies, as seems most likely, one of these is wrong.

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A lot of this is going to be gut-based by necessity.

LQ has fallen off my list substantially as the game has gone on. There's no longer the rhyme or reason I thought I was seeing to his posts - his posts make sense if he's looking for a lynch, but they no longer show much in the way of scumhunting. I'm slowly coming to believe that he's been coasting off of how his playstyle dissonance pinged the group. Null-trending-Scum (I'm noting his push on me, and subsequent withdrawal when it didn't gain any traction, along with his openness to lynching anyone - Vedith, Klingon, etc. I've seen enough of his play to believe that, while he might have a jumpy playstyle, for lakc of a better term, he's better than this.)

I think Elbirn & Klingon are unlikely to both be scum together. I've run over why Elbirn is scummy to me at length, so a quick overview of Klingon tells me she's someone who isn't very involved or offering much reason for her actions that makes sense. This could be because she's a weak player in general, or a scum player having difficulty lying. There are a few things that give me pause, such as vote parking LQ the way she did - it was a little 'easy'-ish, but the larger context (& Elbirn, admittedly.) leave me feeling meh about lynching her.

@Elbirn - Like, walk me through it please? What makes Klingon scum instead of a weak player? Like, call me out for chainsawing or whatever all you want, but I've been inclined towards the latter for most of the game. If you're Town, I think I'd get more from seeing your line of reasoning move more than anything, if that makes sense? (Same if you're scum, really. )

Dunno. Part of me is letting the whole 'consensus of the majority' get to me a bit, but at the same time, I've been stung a few times by not paying as much attention to that as I should. (I have a tendency to assume scum are pushing the wagon, and to be fair, they usually are.) (It seems to be that whatever way I choose is the wrong way, anymore, but eh.)

I'm actually snipping the part elaborating what I liked about Elbirn's last post, because I want to see things play out first. Then I'll add that to the rant pile.

[VysePresident]

Honestly, I kinda want the lynch to be one of Elbirn or Klingon today, if you guys don't mind. If nothing else, I'd like to get these questions out of the way.

[Vedith]

You guys know that Town still has a resurrect, don't you? If Vedith flips Town we can bring him back.

You know that's a sample role and doesn't mean we will actually have it, right?

[grapes]

But not really, I don't hate you!

don't hate you either! just want you purged is all

for great justice and stuff

[grapes]

vyse, earlier you said you'd compromise on vedith. now you think he's obvtown. please explain your progression there

[grapes]

cuz all im seeing are vague assertions that he's town from people and it makes me think im on the right track here

his entrance into the game was bad, ive gone into this already, doesn't call anyone scum until pressured to do so and to this day it's still a mystery if he's actually read the thread or not..

fucking hammers a slot that was impossible to get a claim from

and whether marcrell flipped a PR or not that's still really really bad - shit even if marc flipped scum i'd still be like

i feel like more people than me should be looking at that funny and the fact that im the only one that really was vocal about how bad it was is pretty spooky on its own

[Vedith]

cuz all im seeing are vague assertions that he's town from people and it makes me think im on the right track here

his entrance into the game was bad, ive gone into this already, doesn't call anyone scum until pressured to do so and to this day it's still a mystery if he's actually read the thread or not..

fucking hammers a slot that was impossible to get a claim from

and whether marcrell flipped a PR or not that's still really really bad - shit even if marc flipped scum i'd still be like

i feel like more people than me should be looking at that funny and the fact that im the only one that really was vocal about how bad it was is pretty spooky on its own

@vyse - this kind of stuff is why I put that comment about Grapes :p