Conception | Design Thread

[jjh927]

I think that if you want to introduce some scum redirective power, then a new role that just has the "make actions unable to be redirected" without the block protection bit would;
A. Tip off town that scum have redirective abilities
B. Give that neat back and forth of counterplay between town and mafia

[RH9]

I think that if you want to introduce some scum redirective power, then a new role that just has the "make actions unable to be redirected" without the block protection bit would;
A. Tip off town that scum have redirective abilities
B. Give that neat back and forth of counterplay between town and mafia

Good idea.

[RH9]

Actually, how about Deflector instead of Bus Driver?

[RH9]

Setup Variant XII

Distribution

9 Invocation - Uninformed Majority

2 Malediction - Informed Minority

2 Benediction - Informed Minority

Roles

2 Affiliation - Seeker Modified Recluse (Visits another target to check if they have the same concept, adding them to a private hood, but losing this ability if already in a hood; Can not be added to any other type of hood)

Extroversion - Companion (Adds targets to seperate hoods)

Ambition - Flare (Prevents targets from getting redirected)

Deification - Ascetic IC Triggered Treestump (becomes Treestump after decease)

Devotion - Modified Lovebird (Becomes a modified Lover, perishing if the beloved perishes but not vice versa)

Compassion - Obsessive Compulsive Combined Bodyguard Roleblocker

Aversion - Miller

Relation - Parity Cop

Deviation - Deflector

Sedition - Fruit Vendor

Diversion - Redirector

Confirmation - Checker

Notes

• I'll use the wiki spelling for roles.
  
• I'm going to use a variation of
  43
  .
  • Each scum faction chooses a player at Night to invoke their auspices on, including their own members (though the target and actor can not be the same).
    
  • Under normal circumstances, the player will be confirmed to be unaligned with the opposing scumteam and be cured from Poison, resulting in a message like
    [Light/Dark] flee from …; They are unaligned with the [

    Benediction

    /

    Malediction

    ]
    
    
  • If both scumteams chose the same player or a member of the opposing scumteam was chosen, nothing will happen.
• They also have a factional Conditional killing ability, which serves as a usual kill if not used on the other scumteam, where it instead works as an Announcing Poisoner.

[MegAzumarill]

You only have 8 invocation roles listed but are stating there are supposed to be 9

[RH9]

You only have 8 invocation roles listed but are stating there are supposed to be 9

Oops.
Let me fix that up.

[RH9]

Random thing.
I'm planning to use a special mod account to mod this.

[MegAzumarill]

Ima guess the name is Moderation

[RH9]

Ima guess the name is Moderation

TBH I was originally thinking of that. but while I was asking T-Bone if specialty mod accounts were allowed, I had the

totally

not terrible idea of

Narration

.

[Narration]

Egoing on my special mod account

[RH9]

Should the latest version of the setup be better than previous?

[MegAzumarill]

Since it was requested:
How does Miller work with parity cop? As a third scumteam or as one of the other 2 or as both?
Why would devotion act if the only effect is adding another way to get themself killed (and possibly a hood)
Obsessive compulsive- wat do

[MegAzumarill]

I assume the last one is can't change targets until their target is dead.

[RH9]

Since it was requested:
How does Miller work with parity cop? As a third scumteam or as one of the other 2 or as both?
Why would devotion act if the only effect is adding another way to get themself killed (and possibly a hood)
Obsessive compulsive- wat do

Miller works as a member of Malediction if targeted on odd nights and a member of Benediction on even nights. I'll put this in the role PM (when I make them).
That is a good point so I might just change

Devotion

to

Captivation - Heartbreaker (beloved will perish with them, but not other way round)

.
And Obsessive Compulsive is forced to choose a target every Night, though they must choose the same target every night until that target perishes, in which case, they must choose another one.

[RH9]

It is technically two modifiers, Obsessive and Compulsive.

[MegAzumarill]

This seems fairly reasonable currently with that change to devotion, probably ready to move into role PMs if jjh has no objections.

[RH9]

This seems fairly reasonable currently with that change to devotion, probably ready to move into role PMs if jjh has no objections.

Thanks!
I'll probably let him know.

[RH9]

Latest Setup Variant

Distribution

9 Invocation - Uninformed Majority

2 Malediction - Informed Minority

2 Benediction - Informed Minority

Roles

2 Affiliation - Seeker Modified Recluse (Visits another target to check if they have the same concept, adding them to a private hood, but losing this ability if already in a hood; Can not be added to any other type of hood)

Extroversion - Companion (Adds targets to seperate hoods)

Ambition - Flare (Prevents targets from getting redirected)

Deification - Ascetic IC Triggered Treestump (becomes Treestump after decease)

Captivation - Heartbreaker (Chooses somebody to be Lovers with; beloved will perish with them, but not other way round)

Compassion - Obsessive Compulsive Combined Bodyguard Roleblocker

Aversion - Modified Miller (appears as Malediction on odd nights and Benediction on even nights)

Relation - Parity Cop

Deviation - Deflector

Sedition - Fruit Vendor

Diversion - Redirector

Confirmation - Checker

Notes

• I'll use the wiki spelling for roles.
  
• I'm going to use a variation of
  43
  .
  • Each scum faction chooses a player at Night to invoke their auspices on, including their own members (though the target and actor can not be the same).
    
  • Under normal circumstances, the player will be confirmed to be unaligned with the opposing scumteam and be cured from Poison, resulting in a message like
    [Light/Dark] flee from …; They are unaligned with the [

    Benediction

    /

    Malediction

    ]
    
    
  • If both scumteams chose the same player or a member of the opposing scumteam was chosen, nothing will happen.
• They also have a factional Conditional killing ability, which serves as a usual kill if not used on the other scumteam, where it instead works as an Announcing Poisoner.

[jjh927]

I think this now looks fine balance-wise- town winrate should be somewhere beteen 33% and 50%, and it doesn't have any glaring issues outstanding.

[jjh927]

I think this now looks fine balance-wise- town winrate should be somewhere beteen 33% and 50%, and it doesn't have any glaring issues outstanding.

[RH9]

I'll start working on Role PMs tomorrow.
I'm going to sleep now.

[RH9]

Here are the sample layouts for the Role PMs.

Spoiler: Invocation

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Concept

!

Role Abilities:

• Concept (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Concept
  , you….
  
• Concept (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Concept
  , every Night, you may attempt to….

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Malediction

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Concept

!

Role Abilities:

• Malediction (Passive)
  : As a disciple of
  Malediction
  with …, you have access to a vacuum located here, where you will receive knowledge of your factional ability.
  
• Concept (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Concept
  , you….
  
• Concept (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Concept
  , every Night, you may attempt to….

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one disciple of
  Malediction
  remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Malediction

vacuum or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Benediction

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Concept

!

Role Abilities:

• Benediction (Passive)
  : As a disciple of
  Benediction
  with …, you have access to a vacuum located here, where you will receive knowledge of your factional ability.
  
• Concept (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Concept
  , you….
  
• Concept (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Concept
  , every Night, you may attempt to….

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one disciple of
  Benediction
  remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Benediction

vacuum or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Here is the sample layout for the Result PMs.

Spoiler: Result

… → Condition
… → Not Condition
You receive no result. → No Result

[RH9]

Roles

Invocation

Spoiler: Affiliation

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Affiliation

!

Role Abilities:

• Affiliation (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Affiliation
  , every Night, you may to check if another concept is the same as you, adding them to a special vacuum but losing this ability if you already in one.
  
• Affiliation (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Affiliation
  , you can not be added to any other type of vacuum.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Extroversion

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Extroversion

!

Role Abilities:

• Extroversion (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Extroversion
  , every Night, you may attempt to add another concept to a vacuum, with seperate ones created for each concept.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Ambition

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Ambition

!

Role Abilities:

• .
  
• Ambition (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Ambition
  , every Night, you may attempt to prevent another target from getting redirected.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Captivation

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Captivation

!

Role Abilities:

• Captivation (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Captivation
  , you may attempt to fall into love with another concept once, gaining access to a special vacuum.
  
• Captivation (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Captivation
  , if you ever are erased, your beloved will be erased with you, but not the other way round.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Aversion

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Aversion

!

Role Abilities:

• Aversion (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Aversion
  , you appear to investigatives as a disciple of
  Malediction
  on odd nights and
  Benediction
  on even nights.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Deification

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Deification

!

Role Abilities:

• Deification (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Deification
  , all actions, except for deletions, will fail on you, as though they were blocked.
  
• Deification (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Deification
  , you are publicly confirmed to be a disciple of
  Invocation
  , and if you are ever erased, you will instead be stumped, losing all of your abilities except your voice.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Compassion

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Compassion

!

Role Abilities:

• Compassion (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Compassion
  , every Night, you must attempt to block another concept's actions as well as protecting them from a single deletion, being deleted in their place.
  
• Compassion (Passive)
  : As a manifestation of
  Compassion
  , you will compulsively attempt to target the same concept each night until they are erased.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Spoiler: Relation

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Relation

!

Role Abilities:

• Relation (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Relation
  , every Night, you may attempt to check if another concept shares an alignment with the concept that you checked the previous Night.

Win Condition:

• You win if all threats to the disciples of
  Invocation
  are erased and at least one
  Invocation
  -aligned concept remains.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Malediction

Spoiler: Deviation

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Deviation

!

Role Abilities:

• Malediction (Passive)
  : As a disciple of
  Malediction
  with …, you have access to a vacuum located here, where you will receive knowledge of your factional ability.
  
• Deviation (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Deviation
  , every Night, you may attempt to redirect all actions targeting another concept that Night to another of your choice.

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one disciple of
  Malediction
  remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Malediction

vacuum or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Sedition

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Sedition

!

Role Abilities:

• Malediction (Passive)
  : As a disciple of
  Malediction
  with …, you have access to a vacuum located here, where you will receive knowledge of your factional ability.
  
• Sedition (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Sedition
  , every Night, you may attempt to give a flyer to another concept, which they will be informed of but not who sent it.

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one disciple of
  Malediction
  remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Malediction

vacuum or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Benediction

Spoiler: Diversion

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Diversion

!

Role Abilities:

• Benediction (Passive)
  : As a disciple of
  Benediction
  with …, you have access to a vacuum located here, where you will receive knowledge of your factional ability.
  
• Diversion (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Diversion
  , every Night, you may attempt to redirect all actions taken by another concept that Night to another of your choice.

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one disciple of
  Benediction
  remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Benediction

vacuum or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

Spoiler: Confirmation

Salutations, you are a manifestation of

Confirmation

!

Role Abilities:

• Benediction (Passive)
  : As a disciple of
  Benediction
  with …, you have access to a vacuum located here, where you will receive knowledge of your factional ability.
  
• Confirmation (Active)
  : As a manifestation of
  Confirmation
  , every Night, you may attempt to check if your action was successful on another concept or not.

Win Condition:

• You win if at least one disciple of
  Benediction
  remains and all other concepts are erased (or if nothing can prevent the same).

Confirm by posting in the

Benediction

vacuum or by replying to this PM with your role and alignment.

[RH9]

I've done the Role PMs.

[MegAzumarill]

Captivation should be one shot, compassion and relarion have "concept" instead of role name