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[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oooo, Keyser's voting early.

I wonder what that means.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Garmr

Honestly don't see anything scummy so far

What was the point of saying this? Just to get it out there, I would be scumreading this even if the word "honestly" weren't included because that's a semantics thing. But chiming in RVS to say you don't see anything scummy when nobody prompted you is scummy.

Vote in 72 was OMGUS-y. And yeah, the case was reachy, but it's Page 2 so I'm not concerned about it. This argument happens every early Day 1--someone breaks RVS by making a reachy case, other people criticize it for being reachy, lots of arguing over whether or not it was reachy and whether or not that's okay for RVS, etc, etc, etc. And in this case I'm taking the side of the person who made the reachy case.

He hasn't posted a scumread based on anything other than OMGUS.

And yet in my first noobie I get called scum for saying something was OMGUS that didn't involve a vote. I still don't understand..

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Pistachion has repeated a lot of my own points in her post.

Not sure if that's intentional?

[Keyser Söze]

Oooo, Keyser's voting early.

I wonder what that means.

From our last game together, I've learn't a few things to improve my game...

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wanna explain your thought process behind this particular improvement?

[mykonian]

unofficial vc.

mykonian (4): Felissan, herrcombs, Garmr, Lalendra
Garmr (3): mykonian, BBT, pistache
Keyser Söze (2): Dwlee99, Dierfire
herrcombs (1): Haschel Cedricson
Felissan (1): implosion
hier (1): soze

[BlueBloodedToffee]

That Mykonian wagon is terrible.

[mykonian]

eh, give it time. Lack of heir wagon is more worrying.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Heir wagon?

[Keyser Söze]

Wanna explain your thought process behind this particular improvement?

On the lines of

- if you find something uncomfortable about someone's posts, don't talk about it

do something about it

, vote for that player. Put pressure on them early, not later. Explain my reads more clearly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I like this improvement.

What are your thoughts on Garmr?

[mykonian]

Heir wagon?

complicated name - starts with H - is rather scummy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I see, I'm not opposed to a Hieirama wagon but I think Garmr's is much better.

[mykonian]

oh yes, I don't mind either

[A Simple Plan]

Vote Count 1.2

[4]

mykonian - Felissan, herrcombs, Garmr, Lalendra [L-3]

[3]

Garmr - mykonian, BlueBloodedToffee, pistachi0n [L-4]

[2]

Keyser Söze - Dwlee99, Dierfire [L-5]

[1]

herrcombs - Haschel Cedricson [L-6]

[1]

Felissan - implosion [L-6]

[1]

Hieirama - Keyser Söze [L-6]

Not Voting -

Hieirama

Deadline - (expired on 2015-10-06 12:00:00)

[Keyser Söze]

Look at the votes on my wagon:

UNVOTE: Dierfire
VOTE: Keyser

OMGUS much...? Does Dwlee99 actually scum-read me?

DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.

UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser

I feel this is a weak reason. I did not like how that sentence was constructed. "easy to lynch" - what part of Dwlee99's play is

easy to lynch

? His vote on me had a logical fallacy feeling to it.

"Player A is easy to lynch, therefore Player B who voted for Player A is more likely scum"

Still waiting for Dierfire's comments.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Mod, would you mind placing the person with the most votes at the top of the VC please?

Keyser, I agree that Dwlee's vote looks like OMGUS - but it's town OMGUS.

I don't fully understand Dier's vote so I'll wait for his response.

Mod Edit: Sure thing, I'll do that starting from 1.2 on. Will be edited shortly.

[Keyser Söze]

I like this improvement.

What are your thoughts on Garmr?

I didn't read his use of "

Honestly

" as scum-indicative.

Post #96 I would flag:
"Also you should quit before you burn youself if there's a wagon between you and me your the one getting lynched."
This is a

firm "back-off" threat

(hard to read as either anti-town or scummy) - I'm feeling this is either a real soft-PR claim (very defensive) or fake soft-PR claim (cornered-scum).

[mykonian]

that had little to do with his role, more with him misreading the game.

[Dierfire]

DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.

UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser

Why are you speaking in absolutes?

"DWL is Town"
DWL is "easy to lynch"
"Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia"

I don't like this logic at all - it feels unnatural.

I'm not sure what this question about absolutes is. Do you mean to ask why I said that DWL is Town without a word like "probably" in there? I didn't feel that I needed such a word there. Were you worried that I was saying it because I knew him to be Town, because I was Mafia?
I think that the logic is very natural. I will break it down. Town players vote for those they believe to be Mafia. Mafia players vote for those they know to be Town (except when voting players they know to be Mafia, which is presumably less frequent). So, if I believe a player to be Town (such as DWL), others voting for that player are more likely to be Mafia than are others voting for some other player.

DWL is Town and easy to lynch. Players voting DWL are therefore more likely to be Mafia.

UNVOTE: BBT
VOTE: Keyser

I feel this is a weak reason. I did not like how that sentence was constructed. "easy to lynch" - what part of Dwlee99's play is

easy to lynch

? His vote on me had a logical fallacy feeling to it.

"Player A is easy to lynch, therefore Player B who voted for Player A is more likely scum" :?

Still waiting for Dierfire's comments.

Whoah, hey! I'm not sure that "still" is an appropriate word for your wait until at least 12 hours have passed since your question.

I say that DWL is easy to lynch because I played with him before and he was lynched fairly easily (he was Mafia, his partner helped).

Also, a bit of a continuation of the above--players voting for those I read as Town are more likely to be Mafia than are players voting for those I read as Null or Mafia. That's the theory, anyway. I suspect that you agree with this theory, because you are analyzing the votes on your wagon.

[mykonian]

that can't be your only post for this hour. Need a little more dier.

[Dierfire]

I find the wagon on Garmr to be weakly reasoned. Pistachion's reasons were weakest.
I thought that Mykonian's case on Hieirama was better than his case on Garmr was.

@Hieirama

Why did you post a read on me that included only my RVS vote and the wagon on me? What about the serious things that I posted?

EDIT Working on it!

[Dierfire]

Wait HOLD ON. I was just about to reply to Garmr's

Also what's this bs about calling someone town. I said I don't see anything scummy yet.

because I was pretty sure Garmr's 24 was an indirect reponse to Lalendra's 22, so he was in effect defending me. But "nothing scummy" != "town". Mykonian, why did you claim he was "trying to call someone town" in your 37? I think you should address this.

pedit @ DWL: OK I get it dude, I'm not going to push this any further because I feel like we're going in circles.

pedit2: Yeah, I can see where you're coming from Myko (re: Hieirama), but I'm not done with you. I'd also like to know why you delayed your vote on Garmr until he voted you first. And this coming from someone who called another player worthless in part for their OMGUS vote earlier...

I thought that the timing on this post is a bit weird. The "pedit2" is for a post from nearly 20 minutes prior to this one.

@Herrcombs

Why did it take you so long to write this one up?

[Dierfire]

@Mykonian

What else would you like to discuss?

[mykonian]

not too fussed, but that post was a bit bland. Didn't really say all that much.

We could talk about garmrs vote or hiers response to being accused to me, I think both of those are interesting. Could also consider bbt's posts in light of implosion, but that's a bit harder to get info from.