Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!
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Peta, if you're scum, you convinced me to lay it down with the only move that convinces me specifically. I think you probably have easier paths to a win than this one though, so I can't imagine why you'd do it. If you did choose this path and went for style points... I dunno what to say.
Fucking hell.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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i feel like i'm wrong but i dno't think i can get away from my own logic here
ggYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Looker was aMafia Goon.
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fferyllt Titan of Trajectory
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Thread reopened!
Thanks so much for playing! And special thanks to all the players who volunteered to replace into this game!
I'll post the PTs shortly.
If you asked for a private personal thread for this game and would like it to be made public, let me know!-
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Eyyyyyyy Let's gooooooooooooYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Mine can be made public - I have nothing to redact.In post 1230, fferyllt wrote:If you asked for a private personal thread for this game and would like it to be made public, let me know!
Good call, LLD!
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Dead PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87098
Mafia PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87097
Mod Notes: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87099
Clasko's PT: viewtopic.php?f=90&t=87153
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well that was a game of some kind
i really don't go to 3p as town very often at all so that was an interesting experience
glad to have gotten it in the end even if the hockeyfan read was a big whiff on my part
if any of the newbies who were in the game are still paying attention and want feedback, feel free to ask. not even sure how many of them stuck around given the unfortunate number of replace outsfree crypto-
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So, let's start with the non mechanical reasons.In post 1234, Lukewarm wrote:Hello. It is I, a watcher from the shadows
@LLD
Can you talk about what led you to making this play?
Spoiler:
Never seen something like that suggested day 2 of a newbie game, and was the reason I started spectating this game lol
We'd just flipped a townie, and the game was at risk of hitting apathy. Forcing a mass claim creates new info and makes people have to chew on it and make decisions. I felt that using the mass claim timing here would provide town +EV if done like this.
Now, mechanical stuff: Popcorn because it prevents scum from being able to do weird fake claim stuff, and only claiming "power role or no" because of the same.
The way this setup is built creates the possibility for duplication errors. In that a cop is fine, ubt there's no guarantee the jailkeeper that claims is real or not, because the cop can't know the setup. It could be a real jailkeeper, or it could be mafia making the guess from that position.
Having popcorn'd order makes it harder to plan the timing of a fake claim, and having hidden role names and only claiming to have power or not hides the setup they need to duplicate.
Had more than one person claimed a power role, we would have been making them power claim in reverse order of the order they claimed, and then evaluating what came from that.
In essence, doing it this way created the GUARANTEE of a few confirmed townies, or gave us a guilty and a good plan. In this scenario, my play wasn't super necessary since we had a cop with a guilty
but what happens if the cop just claims the guilty and then the jailkeeper claims later?
Cop claims it, we kill 1, and the fake jail keeper "clears" someone as not the person who killed the cop and then it's GG. It's game over. Then the JK no kills, claims a guilty and boom.
We lose to duplication error.
Doing it this way prevents ALL that gambit shit.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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In post 1238, petapan wrote:well that was a game of some kind
if any of the newbies who were in the game are still paying attention and want feedback,
How do you not get condemmed . Moreso, how do radiate town/towncase yourself
feel free to ask. not even sure how many of them stuck around given the unfortunate number of replace outs-
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hnestly i think in terms of your play you weren't really all that badIn post 1237, HockeyFan wrote:Pog town won, ggs. I could have probably played a bit better but im happy I pushed scum on d3. Wp LLD(even though u pushed me >:()
this misread is 95% my fault here and i'm still not sure what i should have done differently
i think i was reading too deeply into your posts when the real answer (looker's slot) simply didn't have much content to go off that was actually incriminating - i really only got there in the end because i could figure out other people were town
as for yourself, i don't know. you were right and for okay reasons, i just couldn't figure you out. to tell you what you could do differently i'd have to first figure out where i went wrong. i think you did a fine job keeping up with the game in spite of the constant player turnover.free crypto-
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Hockey, the misread on you was my fault. I had you as my towniest player day 1, and then I saw T3 scum and I was like... Hockey/T3 makes a LOT of sense.
And with the free space we had to make 1 mistake, I didn't feel comfortable letting you live. If I'd relied on my initial instincts, I'd have kept you town.
Just saw something weird and got a little paranoid.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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It's also a function of how I refresh my reads after a town flip.
James flips town, gotta refresh, okay, T3 scum still, who else.
Okay, Hockey flips town and I'm not night killed... let's refresh againYes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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Ok, thanks! yea about the reading too deeply into posts is a recurring theme across most players Ive played with(not just on this site). If 1 player does smth scummy, another play will likely call that player scum for the rest of the game without reconsidering thier read so dw about it too much, it was just unforunate that I paired a bit there with T3In post 1241, petapan wrote:
hnestly i think in terms of your play you weren't really all that badIn post 1237, HockeyFan wrote:Pog town won, ggs. I could have probably played a bit better but im happy I pushed scum on d3. Wp LLD(even though u pushed me >:()
this misread is 95% my fault here and i'm still not sure what i should have done differently
i think i was reading too deeply into your posts when the real answer (looker's slot) simply didn't have much content to go off that was actually incriminating - i really only got there in the end because i could figure out other people were town
as for yourself, i don't know. you were right and for okay reasons, i just couldn't figure you out. to tell you what you could do differently i'd have to first figure out where i went wrong. i think you did a fine job keeping up with the game in spite of the constant player turnover.-
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yea looking back, i probs should have pushed one of VFP/T3 harderIn post 1244, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Hockey, the misread on you was my fault. I had you as my towniest player day 1, and then I saw T3 scum and I was like... Hockey/T3 makes a LOT of sense.
And with the free space we had to make 1 mistake, I didn't feel comfortable letting you live. If I'd relied on my initial instincts, I'd have kept you town.
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So everything you did day 1 was so fucking town. It radiated it and I was never more confident.In post 1240, HockeyFan wrote:In post 1238, petapan wrote:well that was a game of some kind
if any of the newbies who were in the game are still paying attention and want feedback,
How do you not get condemmed . Moreso, how do radiate town/towncase yourself
feel free to ask. not even sure how many of them stuck around given the unfortunate number of replace outs
The issue was, coming into day 2, your interactions with T3 about Looker specifically, and the instant Looker vote and the reason you gave for it were insinspiring.
If you'd said "Looker is scummy and I want more pressure here today" I'd have vibed.
But you said it so passively. "I'm not sure if he's scum but I wanna see more".
It made it look like a scum semi push.Yes my Lord, but questions are dangerous, for they have answers.
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