Phables: Death Note Mafia (Game Over)

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Gorrad:

Because he is so experienced he wouldn't make such a mistake. Something must be motivating him; like maybe a Shinigami win condition??

Magnus:

Logical fallacy

Philly:

Or he just wanted to draw out scum who agreed with the idea?

C'mon you two, Gorrad can answer for himself.

Votecount
mykonian - 5 (LlamaFluff,

cateraction

, Spolium, ortolan, Kise)
Lamont_Cranston - 5 (magnus_orion, Kairyuu, Albert B. Rampage, Gorrad, MrBuddyLee)
ZEEnon - 4 (WeyounsLastClone, PhilyEc, mykonian, Stephoscope)
Gorrad - 3 (Kmd4390, Lamont_Cranston, Starbuck)
zwetschenwasser - 2 (populartajo, Benmage)
magnus_orion - 1 (

ZazieR

)
Jebus - 1 (zwetschenwasser)
Not voting: Jebus,

semioldguy

, Seraphim, ZEEnon

Light told me to bring this [apple].

WHOA!

With 25 alive, it's 13 to lynch.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Btw, the Myk wagon is easy. I think we've seen how his behavior here is a null tell. Its the same as when he's town or mafi.

If the case is so great, I'm still waiting for someone to give me strong reasons why he is scummy besides his erratic logic on various issues (which is a null tell).

[mykonian]

From this post onwards to post 1020 should give you a general idea why i'm voting for myk.

I didn't react on everything. please get a better tell. Or mastin is obv town in every game.

[magnus_orion]

How about you answer for why you were trying to accuse him with a logical fallacy?

[PhilyEc]

Still lagging behind - 46/49 (three pages left )

Please don't post any more so I can catch up before there's another ten pages D:

....you make me want to burn priests....

[semioldguy]

Through to page thirty, should be catching up before too long. Will be making a short-ish post every five pages.

Lamont_Cranston is an easy mislynch and I don't think he should be the focus of our attention today. Mastin applies to this as well. Of the three wagons so far (Lamont_Cranston, Mastin and magnus_orion) I don't find any of them to be the correct lynch and think it would be easy for scum to slip onto those wagons without drawing suspicion to them.

(Though after checking the quote again, it should actually say: 'why do you think they are easy wagons, and how come that makes them not scum to you?')

I've played with Lamont_Cranston previously and he was an easy lynch target in that game and flipped town. Mastin was playing in a way that I feel is very anti-town, also from a previous game I played with him. I don't think they are scum because they both fit town play I've seen from them.

People are speculating whether or not Kira have death notes… read the rules:

Any scum player possessing a Death Note is Kira. There can be multiple Kiras, even at the same time, and there even can be no Kiras.

If they have a Death Note and are scum, they are Kira. If they don’t have a Death Note and are scum, they aren’t Kira. There is a difference between scum and Kira, please don’t use them interchangeably.

Kise is lying in 728 about never having been in a game where scum can day talk. He is in one of those games now where scum daytalk is public knowledge (5P Venegeful Setup).

[Lamont_Cranston]

@Llama:

Btw, on Zee, you never spoke to this:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

ORLY? And what of his statement "I see what you're doing and I trust your judgement even though I disagree with it"? Doesn't this mean he sees that Mastin is Shinigami? Seems pretty clear to me.

[Lamont_Cranston]

Post #728 for your reading pleasure:

You are ruling out the possibility of scum day-talking? Also why is the fact this is day one rather than any other day relevant to whether you might be able to daytalk as scum? Also why do you find me pro-town?

I do rule out day-talking for mafia. I can't say I've been in a game where mafia were allowed to do that during day phases. And the relevance in this being day 1 is because I am trying to insinuate that we had no night zero, so scum should not have had any NP to talk to each other.

The reason I find you pro-town is due to your critical thinking, and how you don't use it sparingly. You have no 2nd thoughts (it seems) when it comes to putting other players in the spotlight, so this gives me the impression that you're not watching anyone else's back.

@All:

What is the case for scum starting out with death notes? Is there

any

actual reason to believe this?

It's a possibility, but not a definite. I say possibility because Mastin was killed by someone, but there's no evidence to suggest whether this was the work of a Kira or a vig. Until we are able to prove anything, it's perfectly healthy to consider the probability of scum starting off with death notes, as well as the probability that they don't start off with them. However, unless someone here is a Kira WITH a death note, then that's the only way they can be certain that Kira DO start off with death notes.

Kise

<- This guy is different to your average scummer in my opinion. I've not liked one of his posts but due to poor logic and dodging questions.

But.. I've already addressed all questions directed at me.. Check out page 27; I answered everyone accordingly.

populartajo

<- Quite quickly proves himself to be town. I like his posts so far. Town read.

Gorrad

<- Town read, hes looking towards my suspect Magnus alot.

Pop contradicts himself by saying Steph is townie for believing both Mastin & Lamont to be pro-town, but then he notices I say practically the same thing about Lamont & Mastin and I get a scum-vibe from him.. He points out similar viewpoints from Steph & I, yet he thinks of only one of us as having a town-vibe.

Gorrad has only made three posts total, with two of them being very short

opinions

/information-bits, rather than being evaluations of scum behavior. This warrants a town-read, how?

@tajo - Please do respond to my concern on page 27 when you get a chance.

HoS: Benmage

I warned you.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm liking ortolan more and more.

[WeyounsLastClone]

Still lagging behind - 46/49 (three pages left )

Please don't post any more so I can catch up before there's another ten pages D:

*grah*

Unvote; Vote: Jebus

Why is that a reason to vote Jebus? At this point a single vote won't really help, and it's not like you're bringing a real case to the table that will convince people to vote for Jebus.

At ABR's 'scum wouldn't claim scum' is a bad argument. I would think scum is more likely to claim scum because of some kind of gambit. I don't see how a townie would claim scum at all. And no, I don't think 'to wait for the reactions' is a good reason. Maybe third party is the most likely.

[semioldguy]

Through page thirty-five now.

Still not liking Mykonian and I agree that his voting seemingly because he was asked about not addressing something earlier doesn't reflect well upon him.

There seems to be some discussion about Shinigami vs. Scum. I think, given a choice between the two, it makes more sense to go for the player you think is scum before going for the player you think is Shinigami as far as a lynch is concerned. Scum wagons can help to find links among all the scum partners, a shinigami is not aligned with any partners so a lynch on them is not as likely to give us information. If we lynch scum, that player dies. If they held a death note, they no longer hold it and can never hold one again since they are dead. If we lynch the Shinigami first, they lose their death note, but they don't die. Which means they could get another death note as the game continues on. Lynching the Shinigami second gives that player less time until the end of the game to reacquire a death note.

Lynching scum both eliminates an anti-town role and has the possibility of removing a Death Note. Lynching Shinigami has the possibility of removing a death note, but will not eliminate an anti-town role. Both have the possibility of destroying a death note, but only a scum lynch will reduce the number of anti-town roles.

[zwetschenwasser]

We specifically told Jebus to stop catching up for a little bit and give his opinion on something.

[PhilyEc]

We specifically told Jebus to stop catching up for a little bit and give his opinion on something.

I've replaced many times and had to catch up in games. I'd read through the game. Highlight whats scummy, give a little [onto page x] at the end of the post and keep at it till Im caught up. Jebus would do this if he was bothered. I've seen him flake constantly, cant say the same for others but we should just wait for him to be replaced (and go easy on the new guy).

[Albert B. Rampage]

At ABR's 'scum wouldn't claim scum' is a bad argument. I would think scum is more likely to claim scum because of some kind of gambit. I don't see how a townie would claim scum at all. And no, I don't think 'to wait for the reactions' is a good reason. Maybe third party is the most likely.

I've been here longer than you, have more experience than you, and the simple fact that I am right and that you are wrong more than proves that my arguments are based on something hard and concrete.

[PhilyEc]

At ABR's 'scum wouldn't claim scum' is a bad argument. I would think scum is more likely to claim scum because of some kind of gambit. I don't see how a townie would claim scum at all. And no, I don't think 'to wait for the reactions' is a good reason. Maybe third party is the most likely.

I've been here longer than you, have more experience than you, and the simple fact that I am right and that you are wrong more than proves that my arguments are based on something hard and concrete.

Even if you're scum?

[LlamaFluff]

@Llama:

Btw, on Zee, you never spoke to this:

Mastin claims to be a Shinigami, magnus_orion.
They are unlynchable and unkillable according to the rules.

^^Why you forgot him

Unless you really can put more backing that he belived that he was what he claimed, and played as such, this isnt scummy. If anything this is more of an IIOA post. LC is misinterpreting it pretty badly. To me this is the same as saying 'zwet claims to be that guys wife'.

If he said "Mastin claims to be shin and I believe it", we would be having a different discussion. I do not see anything that suggests this though.

ORLY? And what of his statement "I see what you're doing and I trust your judgement even though I disagree with it"? Doesn't this mean he sees that Mastin is Shinigami? Seems pretty clear to me.

Not to me. I dont understand what he means here, and zee is the only one who does unless he explained that somewhere I missed. My first thought when mastin claimed that was he was joking, and when he kept it up I started to wonder if he was setting a trap with inside knowledge (IIRC, L knew about shin somewhat in anime).

I realized something too that should be benificial if we get to late game. When someone is lynched, their note goes to a random person on the wagon. Town destroys notes. If we lynch pro-kira and their note is not destroyed, there must be scum on the wagon.

[zwetschenwasser]

We specifically told Jebus to stop catching up for a little bit and give his opinion on something.

I've replaced many times and had to catch up in games. I'd read through the game. Highlight whats scummy, give a little [onto page x] at the end of the post and keep at it till Im caught up. Jebus would do this if he was bothered. I've seen him flake constantly, cant say the same for others but we should just wait for him to be replaced (and go easy on the new guy).

Uh, no.

[Lamont_Cranston]

I realized something too that should be benificial if we get to late game. When someone is lynched, their note goes to a random person on the wagon. Town destroys notes. If we lynch pro-kira and their note is not destroyed, there must be scum on the wagon.

Nice.

Also on Zee I'm not voting him yet because I'm waiting for that explanation.

Btw, Semi has found a really interesting scum tell on Kise...

[populartajo]

I need catching up.

Just a few thoughts:

As I stated some pages ago, Gorrad action are generally at least null since I dont see blatant scum motivation in his actions. IMO, he is slightly town since it shows efforts of at least trying to break the game.

The myko wagon is more decent and I think its pretty optymal in d1 lynch terms. There are some answers to Fluff some pages ago that feel terribly bad. He improves somehow as the game progresses but again his attacks are weak (like his Spolium attacks)

Is there anything else I missed?

Oh yeah, I dont think zwet is obvtown as some have stated. I have played with him and my gut tells me this is not the normal zwettown we know and love.

[populartajo]

Bleh we need this game move somewhere:

Unvote vote : mykonian

[PhilyEc]

Bleh we need this game move somewhere:

Unvote vote : mykonian

...

Myk > Other scummy people. Why?

[populartajo]

This game needs moar wagons.

Too much talking and not enough voting.

Phyliec you are voting who?

[PhilyEc]

This game needs moar wagons.

Too much talking and not enough voting.

Phyliec you are voting who?

ZEEnon. ZEEnon > other wagons.

[populartajo]

I dont remember anyhing so damning from Zeenon. In fact, my first read of him is newbie townie.

What is the case against him?

[PhilyEc]

Vote Zeenon

Good vote, but why are you voting him?

Your case + Zee's reaction to me suspecting him + Wes's points = Reason for voting Zee.

^That