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[Noraa]

that has nothing to do with redirect whatsoever

Toogeloo claimed his pick was Innocent VIP though is the thing. It seems like only the Innocent part got picked up on, but theoretically the role could be used for redirection

or toog just fakeclaimed for funsies again. i can't redirect but ic and miller makes the most sense as creating what my role is. i show up as town (ic). i show up as scum (miller).

[Noraa]

one nuance of my role is that it explicitly says investigatives get 2 resutls on me but it doesn't say that for other roles. it just says other roles will treat me as both town and mafia.
since they were written separately, well eh. i dont really think that matches up with any of the roles.

[Enchant]

I don't think there's doublevoters either.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

and also the shit about "oh no why would i point out that my scum buddy is guiltied" is just bad
because scum misstep as well. theres no reason it can't be something scum is more self conscious about. trying to lessen a scumslips damage by pointing it out first and semi-clearing yourself is nothing impossible.

we look at the situation in hindsight and know that oh hey it wasnt obvious that it was a slip. but to scum, seeing that post is not gonna be the same because scum is ALWAYS self conscious about theri buddies. unless your name is pooky and no one here is pooky.

Can you explain your thought process again as to how you thought it was a townslip for Flea yesterday?

i didn't think it was a townslip but i tend to think any sort of scummy claim is more likely to come from town. i thought dwlee's role could tell if mafia visited or not so i didn't think that was a scum slip. rather, once it was brought to my attention, i felt scum wouldn't claim they visited toogeloo night 1 since dwlee said mafia had visited.
it was a guilty in hindsight since dwlee's role would only tell them which alignment had more people visiting. and no, to reiterate, if i were scum, i would know what dwlee's role is and i would be clear that was a guilty because i pay a shit ton more attention as scum. meta me.

I feel like this does seem plausible with how 1094 was phrased dwlee's results.

[Noraa]

Welcome Roden, you are a

Town Vengesmith.

Before you die you may select a target to give a gun upon your death.
That player will gain a one shot ability to kill another player at night. This can be used alongside any other actions they may have.
You will be able to change targets if your original target died at the same time you did.
Your target receives the gun at the start of the next night phase if they are still alive.
Your pick was [REDACTED]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

[Welcome Andante, you are a

Town Force-Visitor

Each night you may choose to activate your ability.
If you activate your ability, all other players that did not visit using any abilities will visit you for no effect.
Your ability cannot be interfered with in any way. The visits caused by your ability can, however.
This does not have any effect on players that visited another player.
Your pick was [Redacted]

Welcome, Greeting, you are a

Town Revealer

If you are eliminated by vote, you must "reveal" a living player. This must be decided in advance but you may change at any time by PMing the moderator.
This will cause the moderator to publically reveal their alignment as if they were targeted by an investigative during twilight.
If you do not submit a target the player who hammered you will be revealed.
Your pick was [Redacted]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome Ircher, you are a

Town Ringmaster

During night one, specify a night that is not night one. This is assumed to be night two if you do not specify. This is the night the Circus will start.
Each night you may send a player a ticket to the circus. They will not be notified.
When the specified night starts, all players that have a ticket to the circus will be added to the Circus PT, found here [REDACTED]. You always have access to this PT while you are alive.
You may not send players tickets to the circus after the circus starts.
The Circus will still exist or start after you are dead.
Your pick was [Redacted]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

Welcome, Toogeloo, you are a

Town Mayor

During the day you may post I Reveal Myself or a similar message in bold. (Anything making it clear you intend to reveal will count.)
If you do you will gain a second vote that you cah use with the Heal Tag HEAL: MegAzumarill and you be publically confirmed to be aligned with the town. The elimination threshold will increase accordingly.
Your extra vote does NOT contribute to town's majority for the purposes of endgame.
At night, if you have not revealed you may PM me schedule your reveal during the daystart PM. This has no effect on any night resolutions.
You can never investigate as aligned with the mafia.
Your pick was [Redacted]

Welcome, Flea the Magician, you are a

Mafia Cryomancer

Factional information: [Redacted]
Each night, if no partner is performing this action, you may target another player. Assuming no interference to your action, you will kill that player.
Additionally, each night you may do one of the following actions, but not both:
- You may target a player. Asssuming no interference to your action, that player will be Chilled. This Chill will last indefinitely unless it is removed by a role's ability.
- You may choose to Freeze all chilled players. They will be notified they are frozen. A frozen player cannot use any active abilities and loses passive abilities (except PT access) after the night you activate this ability. Frozen players are no longer chilled but the "Frozen" effect lasts indefinitely unless it is removed by a role's ability. Frozen players will have an additional note upon death saying they are covered in ice.
Your pick was [Redacted] As a non-town player you know that it was combined with [Redacted]

You win when your faction has the same or greater number of living players as living town players, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Welcome, Galron, you are a

Town Defense Attorney

During each Night, you must visit a player. During the next day and night they are your client. The same player cannot be your client on 2 consecutive nights. You may not choose a player that has had their alignment revealed to you.
You control the original target of the night action of your target and they are informed of this at the end of the night. They learn who they targeted and get the results, however. If you do not submit a valid target they perform their original action and you do not perform this action. This action cannot be interfered with and is not a visit.
If your target has more than one ability, you will only use one of them, they will know which one and you will not. You cannot control the Mafia Factional kill.
Your client appears as aligned with the opposite alignment to investigation while they are still your client.
You know that a player exists that wants to eliminate your client during the day. If your client is eliminated you will lose all of your abilities.
Your pick was [Redacted]

You win when all threats to the town are dead.

[Noraa]

Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

why is it not plausible?

[Noraa]

Alright again.

1. Miller + ??? = Noraa. Town Paradox -> confirm miller, confirm IC
2. Vengeful + Vigilante = Roden. Town Vengesmith -> confirm vengeful, confirm vigilante
3. Visitor(?) + Lighting Rod = Andante. Town Force-Visitor
4. Cop + Vengeful = Greeting. Town Revealer -> confirm cop, confirm vengeful
5. Watcher + Cop = Dwlee. Town Lookout. -> confirm watcher, confirm cop
6. Innocent Child + ??? = Toogeloo. Town Mayor -> confirm IC
7. Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher. Town Ringmaster -> confirm neighborizer
8. Arsonist + Absorber = Flea. Mafia Cryomancer
9. Absorber + Neighbor = Almost50. Reflexive Neighbor -> confirm neighborizer
10. Lightning Rod + Miller = Enchant. Town Siren. -> confirm miller
11. Bus Driver + Condemner = Galron, Town Defense Attorney.
12. Condemner + Bus Driver = Radical Rat, Prosecutor.
13. Vigilante + Watcher = CSF. WatcheVig -> confirm vigilante, confirm watcher

[Cat Scratch Fever]

... Aren't Bus Driver looks off for Galron as well?

I don't think Galron ever said what he picked and no matter how I look at his role, he seems fused with two different roles

Some of the other roles, including the flipped town doublevoter, don't seem to have fusions either, so maybe the mod just took creative liberties in crafting roles and is having a laugh at us.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

why is it not plausible?

I said it was plausible.

[Noraa]

3. Visitor(?) + Lighting Rod = Andante. Town Force-Visitor
6. Innocent Child + ??? = Toogeloo. Town Mayor -> confirm IC
7. Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher. Town Ringmaster -> confirm neighborizer
8. Arsonist + Absorber = Flea. Mafia Cryomancer -> confirm arsonist
9. Absorber + Neighbor = Almost50. Reflexive Neighbor -> confirm neighborizer
10. Lightning Rod + Miller = Enchant. Town Siren. -> confirm miller -> confirm lightning rod,
11. Bus Driver + Condemner = Galron, Town Defense Attorney. -> confirm condemner
12. Condemner + Bus Driver = Radical Rat, Prosecutor. -> confirm bus driver, confirm condemner

thiis is the list that couldn't be completely matched up

[Noraa]

Mafia visited Toogeloo N1.

why is it not plausible?

I said it was plausible.

ah sorry

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Enchant, why did you not claim Miller earlier?

I feel like that isn't scum indicative and i believe the claim so shrug. like enchant could be scum, but it's not for not claiming miller.

There was a claimed cop end of D2 though.

Although i looked back on the end of day posts and enchant was only there at the tail end of the day after greeting was already hammered.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

A50 who do you think is scum?

[Noraa]

everyone should full claim.
Noraa - Paradox
I flip as town and scum. I investigate as town and scum (2 separate results). Any other actions treat me as both (not sure how many results). My pick was Miller which is confirmed by Enchant.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I think we've all fullclaimed

[Enchant]

Enchant, why did you not claim Miller earlier?

I feel like that isn't scum indicative and i believe the claim so shrug. like enchant could be scum, but it's not for not claiming miller.

There was a claimed cop end of D2 though.

Although i looked back on the end of day posts and enchant was only there at the tail end of the day after greeting was already hammered.

Yeah. It was hard to resist urge to scream "DON'T CHECK ME".

I did it.

3. Visitor(?) + Lighting Rod = Andante. Town Force-Visitor
6. Innocent Child + ??? = Toogeloo. Town Mayor -> confirm IC
7. Neighbor + Arsonist = Ircher. Town Ringmaster -> confirm neighborizer
8. Arsonist + Absorber = Flea. Mafia Cryomancer -> confirm arsonist
9. Absorber + Neighbor = Almost50. Reflexive Neighbor -> confirm neighborizer
10. Lightning Rod + Miller = Enchant. Town Siren. -> confirm miller -> confirm lightning rod,
11. Bus Driver + Condemner = Galron, Town Defense Attorney. -> confirm condemner
12. Condemner + Bus Driver = Radical Rat, Prosecutor. -> confirm bus driver, confirm condemner

thiis is the list that couldn't be completely matched up

I know my pair is legit.

Absorber+Arsonist is unique case.
For Flea this role STEALS ABILITY.
For Almost50, it's just... Reflexive Neiborizer?
Either way it's Almost50 submitted that and it fits Flea. I don't see any role which provides other option for Flea.

[Noraa]

but shit doesnt line up. toog was not IC plus visitor

[Enchant]

So... Mafia did fakeclaim?

[Noraa]

condemner arsonist absorber
arsonists get targets and ignite them. this fitsw with flea's role. im not sure how this fits with irchers role
absorber copies abilities targetting it. this does not fit with a50's claimed role
condemner wants to get a certain person voted oout. this fits with both galron's role and radical's claimed role

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Flea's role sounded more like an arsonist and roleblocker, not so much absorber. So if there's a fake claimer, i think there could be a roleblocker

[Enchant]

It's easy to break brain with these actually.


But most importantly: Direct Approach is not way.
Just in a case, Almost50 submitted Absorber and had Reflexive Neiborizer. He "ABSORBS" people who visit him in PT and releases at end of day.
Flea as well, he visits people and then nullife their power in down. Of course not in style of absorber, but not in style of roleblocker as well. But he could visit and then "Snatch" all power.

... Or all what i say makes no sense and we overthinking self. Either way. Fuck.

[Enchant]

Btw *Fae, sorry bad with pronouns.

[Noraa]

to be honest, im not sure why anyone would fake claim as scum in this setup. since any role can be any alignment, it really doesn't seem to be worth it. like in a typically setup, you would see something like godfather and treat it as hlaf of a scum claim, but none of that applies here.

[Noraa]

He "ABSORBS" people who visit him in PT and releases at end of day.

thats not how absorber works though. absorber takes the prs that people have and give it to the absorber

[Enchant]

... eh, i think it's really overworking for nothing. It will be interesting to see how was close i to truth.


Either way, back.

Who is mafia team for ya?
CSF, Noree?