Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[Shanba]

Vote: Belgarion

Oman, I expect you either to doublevote in your next post or give an explanation as to why you cannot today.

This jdodge wagon is pretty awful.

[Twomz]

This jdodge wagon is pretty awful.

It's bad to think that he is lying about being a one shot vig with his other ability and is really mafia? The only kill last night that I can see is the nocmen kill... although I'm confused about the clone and your leaving town or w/e. So even if you want to argue that there is a vig, that would be the only other killing role beyond the mafia... and I doubt it would be one shot with another ability (unless there are others with one shot kills... but that seems... silly I guess would be the best way to put it).

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: Belgarion

Oman, I expect you either to doublevote in your next post or give an explanation as to why you cannot today.

This jdodge wagon is pretty awful.

sort of a random vote? any reason?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Anyone willing to claim the role made for JDodge. I know this confirms nothing is the designer is among the dead, but it will help.

[Shanba]

@ckd: A couple, but they're both somewhat subjective and not accusations that will lead anywhere except distraction, so I just want to let it be known that I suspect him. If you really want me to, I'll fess up, but it's not an argument I really want to get into atm.

It's bad to think that he is lying about being a one shot vig with his other ability and is really mafia? The only kill last night that I can see is the nocmen kill... although I'm confused about the clone and your leaving town or w/e. So even if you want to argue that there is a vig, that would be the only other killing role beyond the mafia... and I doubt it would be one shot with another ability (unless there are others with one shot kills... but that seems... silly I guess would be the best way to put it).

I'm not sure I really get your argument.

You think he's lying about being a one-shot vig. I don't see any reason to believe this. It makes much more sense that he would kill Nocmen as a 1-shot than as a scumbag. And you can't even play the WIFOM that he killed Nocmen deliberately as scum to claim 1-shot, because he couldn't have known that killing Nocmen would have outed him, and a Nocmen kill is terrible from other perspectives (killing him makes me look better, deprives the scum of a possible mislynch). Now, it is still possible that he killed him with the gambit in mind, but it's unlikely.

And it's not like the missing kill is impossible to explain, either. I know at least one of the roles I submitted could have caused it - granted, it's unlikely, but less so than Jdodge randomly killing Nocmen.

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Anyone willing to claim the role made for JDodge. I know this confirms nothing is the designer is among the dead, but it will help.[/quote]

replacements were able to submit roles as well.

[Twomz]

The thing is you COULD play WIFOM on whether JDodge would kill Nocmen as scum. The evidence to me points at him being scum, and who is to say that the rest of the mafia didn't all agree on killing Nocmen and JDodge just happened to be the one who was sent in with the kill?

And who is to say that even if JDodge is telling the truth about the Time Switcher (or w/e) part of his role that it is not a mafia ability? I mean, it lets the mafia discuss their kill during the day, along with any other plans or discussions they want to have, and they get to wait and pick off whoever suits their needs best BEFORE the lynch. How much does it really help the town that the cop, doc, ect get to target during the day? And who is to say that there are even any day abilities for the night either?

[Shanba]

The thing is you COULD play WIFOM on whether JDodge would kill Nocmen as scum. The evidence to me points at him being scum, and who is to say that the rest of the mafia didn't all agree on killing Nocmen and JDodge just happened to be the one who was sent in with the kill?

That's not the point, though. Why would they do it? There's a great motive for jdodge town to kill nocmen, but as far as I can see, it takes a laboured interpretation to give the mafia a motive to kill him.

[Twomz]

A role that is required to follow a post restriction most likely has a power ability? That's not that difficult to imagine.

[Belgarion]

Shanba, is the vote for..

wow, DOWN WITH THE KING!

or the fact I thought Noc was scum?

why dont you like the BW on DOdge?

[Oman]

I don't think I can double vote. I don't know why I should have it.

Vote Belgarion

Vote Belgarion

[stark]

I get an extra vote for QFTs.

You've been qfted two times I think

[Oman]

Where?

[Oman]

I get a 25% chance to gain an extra vote the next day. So if I was QFTed today, I won't get it till tomorrow.

Also: if I get to 200% (that is: 8 QFTs) I get three votes.

[stark]

Ah, my fault man, flameaxe wrote qtf lol. Fail.


Also, does it stop at 200%?

[Twomz]

So Oman, if you get 5 gft's you auto get one extra vote and have a 25% chance of another? And it caps at 2 votes?

[Oman]

I believe so twomz, except it caps at 3. 200% = 3 votes (two for getting 200% plus 1 bonus).

[UltimaAvalon]

I believe so twomz, except it caps at 3. 200% = 3 votes (two for getting 200% plus 1 bonus).

I think he added the vote you get for playing Mafia, as wel as your bonuses. This means you can have a grand total of 4 votes, yes?

[Shanba]

Shanba, is the vote for..

wow, DOWN WITH THE KING!

Partly this, but not for the reason you think.

or the fact I thought Noc was scum?

No, not really, except for residual suspicion of what read as a bad wagon - with the sidenote again that you at least explained yourself. So no, not that.

why dont you like the BW on DOdge?

I've explained that already. I think it's stupidly stretched as an idea.

[Oman]

think he added the vote you get for playing Mafia, as wel as your bonuses.

AHHH! I only get 3 votes (2 bonuses)

[Belgarion]

I don't think I can double vote. I don't know why I should have it.

Vote Belgarion

Vote Belgarion

then why are your double voting here, when you said you should get your vote tomorrow?

jediknight, I'm sorta throwing my vote around as they don't count.

UA has two votes up though, so I can vote for as many people as I want?

Vote Nocmen, vote Nocmen

why did you double vote in this post? Had anyone qfted at this point?

why did you tell us about the % yesterday?

If we QFT for a total of 4 times today and tomorrow you dont get an extra vote, what excuse will you have?

[Oman]

why did you double vote in this post?

Twas kingmaker.

If we QFT for a total of 4 times today and tomorrow you dont get an extra vote, what excuse will you have?

Shouldn't happen unless a role blocks it..which it shouldn't.

then why are your double voting here, when you said you should get your vote tomorrow?

Shanba told me to, I'm seeing if I got it today just in case.

[Thyroidectomy]

fairly certain we should kill zoneace atp

[Belgarion]

why did you double vote in this post?

Twas kingmaker.

this does not answer the question, why (and how could you have) double voted in this post...had anyone qft-ed you at this point?


nice avoidance of the all the questions.

jediknight, I'm sorta throwing my vote around as they don't count.

UA has two votes up though, so I can vote for as many people as I want?

Vote Nocmen, vote Nocmen

why did you double vote in this post? Had anyone qfted at this point?

why did(n't) you tell us about the % yesterday?

twas kingmaker is not an answer.

[Twomz]

Pst, Belgarion, votes don't matter in kingmaker, only the king has any sway in who dies. You can vote for as many people as you want and try to double vote to show that you think the person is 2x as scummy as a normal vote would merit. But, guess what? It doesn't matter, because it's kingmaker rules, not majority rules.