Mini 1405: The Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[sword_of_omens]

*ebwop* from 1194
Klick admitted in thread that he caught

Qwintz'

crumb of doc.

[D3f3nd3r]

As scum, I would have nothing to lose by voting my scumbuddies.

Some people prefer bussing, some people don't.

[qwints]

So the guy who voted the scum says he never busses and the guy who didn't says he always does. That's hilarious.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Prodding ArcAngel9 and Plessiez.

[Plessiez]

*ebwop* from 1194
Klick admitted in thread that he caught

Qwintz'

crumb of doc.

Did he actually admit this? I know he made some remark about having a town-read on qwints for secret reasons at the end of day 1. And I know I asked him if this was because he'd caught the breadcrumb. But I don't remember him actually answering me. (I think this was around the time he stormed out of the thread, actually.)

[D3f3nd3r]

I never said I always do, I said it's not a bad idea.

[qwints]

I saw this as him referencing my breadcrumb.

qwints is most likely town for a reason that I'm not willing to give yet. (lol u c wut i did thar)

[Plessiez]

I saw this as him referencing my breadcrumb.

qwints is most likely town for a reason that I'm not willing to give yet. (lol u c wut i did thar)

Yeah, that was my assumption too. But as far as I can tell, he never explicitly admitted as much

D3f3nd3r

- why have you been so reluctant to vote people this game? Do you have a secret second agenda that encourages you not to vote? If not, how do you explain yourself?

[ArcAngel9]

seriously Mod? Prod. I hate you!!! i am here all the time but didn't know what to say...

[D3f3nd3r]

I don't consider myself an aggressive player.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

We now come with a deadline timer!

Vote Count 5.05

• D3f3nd3r (1) -
  havingfitz
  
• havingfitz (1) -
  qwints
  
• Plessiez (0) -
  
  
• sword_of_omens (0) -
  
  
• ArcAngel9 (0) -
  
  
• qwints (0) -
  
  
  
  
• Not Voting (4) – Plessiez, sword_of_omens, ArcAngel9, D3f3nd3r

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is ~6:30PM EST March 8.
Countdown: (expired on 2013-03-08 18:30:00)

sword_of_omens is V/LA till March 4.

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[qwints]

Looking back, I'm not buying HF's "I never bus" argument - Mhork was a deadline vote when other posters were ready to hammer; phil was a dominant strategy to lynch first. My vote will stay on HF.

[ArcAngel9]

i am torn, not sure who to believe and what to believe
Both fitz and D3 looks scummy to me... Is that all? or the scum is someone else who is not big suspect at this moment?
uff!!

[Plessiez]

Slightly depressing that I made two of the last ten posts, yet I'm already in danger of a prod.

This is not the most active of games .

Fitz makes a good point - saving himself and blocking rufflig's flip is pretty hard to stomach from one role.

Doesn't the same problem (essentially the same, anyway) apply if somebody other than fitz is the last scum left? Still need to account for fitz's non-lynch and Rufflig's non-flip. Unless the one is an automatic consequence of the other, maybe? Meh. Don't think I believe that. But it seems pretty scum-sided for there to be two different scum left alive at this point...

Still think Rufflig's non-flip might have been caused by something other than the scum (since it's so clearly the wrong time to use a Janitor). Although as people have pointed out, Rufflig doesn't make much sense as a night-kill anyway.

Hmm.

[Plessiez]

Toying around with a slightly crazy idea that might explain Rufflig's death and non-flip, but I don't think I can make it work. Will think about it some more though. (It might be that the hidden agenda stuff explains the problems I have with it, but it's impossible to say since nobody is confessing to having any such agenda .)

D3f3nd3r

, did you breadcrumb "bodyguard" anywhere near the start of the game? Or hint at it in any way before claiming?

At the moment it feels like we're fine as long as the only scum left are in {fitz, D3f3nd3r} but pretty much doomed otherwise. Think I might be leaning towards lynching D3f3nd3r today though . Feels like the safer play, somehow. Of course, if the scum are (one or both of) {D3f3nd3r, fitz}, it doesn't really matter which we lynch first.

However, D3f3nd3r being lynched and flipping both scum + Governor (or some other role that would have made the fitz lynch fail) would make me feel a lot better about fitz (assuming it didn't end the game straight away). So if the surviving scum are D3f3nd3r + somebody else, we'd have a chance of catching that "somebody else" on the last day.

On the other hand, if we lynch fitz and the game doesn't end, then no matter how fitz flips I can't see us not lynching D3f3nd3r the next day. If the surviving scum are fitz + somebody else (not D3f3nd3r), I think we've pretty much lost already.

(Not sure that actually makes much sense written down .)

[havingfitz]

@qwints...why not buy it? I'm not saying I've never done a little light bussing. I'm saying I've never been on a partner's lynch. Let alone twice in the same game. If there was any bussing going on I'm going to say it was Mhork and Phillamon bussing their useless partner D3f. Which...if I was scum and D3f wasn't... I could have easily moved to D3f's wagon (instead of staying on saul's) and brought him to L-1 when Mhork only had 2 votes against him.

I'm not scum. Look at my play leading up to and after my lynch yesterday. If that doesn't look like town suffering a mislynch...and D3f's appearance to hammer me doesn't seem convenient.... then I don't know what else to say. Also...my replace into a game combined with an "/out" in another game after I was "saved" in this one should show I had no idea I would be continuing in here (ie I didn't do anything to save myself.

[havingfitz]

And why isn't D3f voting me yet

[ArcAngel9]

Ftiz, On which game you signed /in and got out? link please?

[havingfitz]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4735383

[ArcAngel9]

Okay folks,

I think we are now getting close to dead line and its time that we should make the right decision.
Plessiez, Swords & Qwints – Thanks for you theories, I was overwhelmed with the way that how each one of you tried to look through this in various angles and I have given thought to each one of your theory and here is what I currently feel about this…

Who could be the last scum? Is it D3? Or Fitz?

About Fitz –
His vote on Phil was very convenient move, that’s what any scum would normally do, sheep and kill their own Mate.
However, For some reason He didn’t get lynched in the last day phase, If he was the scum and had a power to stop a lynch. Why not Phil’s? that would have given Mafia another day with a night earn. OR if His power was limited only to stop his own lynch? But after what he shown in the post above, it does appears like that Fitz perhaps really don’t know that he was going to survive (based on the time lines that he got lynched and his sign in to another game seems logical), If he had been scum, and if his scum mate had a power like that , he would know that his lynch wouldn’t work and he wouldn’t have a reason to sign into another game which likely heading me to believe he could possibly be townie.

About D3 –
Obviously His last day phase Hammer was very scummy, It come out from nowhere. He was on V/LA and he was here and was asking Qwints for hammer vote. None of his explanations are not sitting well. And His claim, His claim of night body guard seems pretty weird to me, his powers are not like doctor but two protecting roles in a game seems too much.
VOTE: D3 that leaves D3 at L-2


OR – I am also wondering if the scum is between the rest of group but not in Fitz and D3. In that perspective, the other person who I think could be a possible scum, that would be Qwints because if D3 is right and townie, there is a good chance Qwints could be lying. But at this moment, I trust Qwints more than D3

And talking about the two scums which I am wondering if that is even possible, becuz if the Mafia had killing power, Janitor and Stop a lynch.. Why they hadn’t used it to save phil or someone else? That doesn’t make sense. There is something that seriously not in the right place, may be this scum (or someone else) wants us to believe that they are more than one scum or maybe not.

And why would a townie would want Janitor a kill? I see no benefit to anyone on this act. So, I could make that as a mafia act, if so but why Ruffling. Was there something really odd about him? Again, this part doesn’t make sense. I am tending to believe that Mafia may not responsible for all the night actions yesterday, If they can Kill and Janitor someone, they probably won’t have the power to stop a lynch, Perhaps that would a power given to a town person but again why FITZ? Will that make Fitz a unlynchee? Is this something that you were all talking about the hidden agendas? Is that possible?

Finally, With 6 players alive…

5 townies and 1 scum

1 mislynch & 1 night kill , town can still be at 3 : 1

4 townies and 2 scum

1mislynch & 1 night kill, town will be at 2:2 and we lose right away

If we make a mistake and if there are two scums, this game is over. If there is one scum, we will still have hope to win this game but we don’t know that for sure..
So I am wondering what will happen if we go with “no lynch”

0 lynch & 1 night kill, Town can be at 3:2 or 4:1 that will perhaps give us another confirmed day and we can get to learn something from the night actions.

What do you all think? I will change my vote to No lynch if everyone agrees to this.

[havingfitz]

If we no lynch that just gives scum a chance to get rid of another ~confirmed town...probably you (Arc) since a definitive result on qwints would definitely confirm you whereas your flip would not definitively confirm qwints...though I doubt he would be the most suspect tomorrow anyway. It would probably be D3f if I was today's lynch.

So a no lynch doesn't do much imo.

[qwints]

D3f3nder can go first.

UNVOTE: havingfitz
VOTE: D3f3nd3r

[ArcAngel9]

D3 is at L-1!!!

[D3f3nd3r]

I acknowledge that I'm not the best townie.

I came a couple hours away from replacement right there, so that hints that I'm not that useful. If you want the majority of the town to be more useful, lynch me. The VCA should be interesting.

[sword_of_omens]

hmmm...i'm wondering if Fitz wouldn't be better off going first...
if D3f does happen to be town at least he might be able to stop a kill going through on a townie and taking it himself...
although, i'm seriously doubting that he might be a bodyguard...otherwise you would think (as town) he would be fighting for his slot...

Actually, D3f,

why aren't you fighting for your slot? Why wouldn't you demand to be kept alive in hopes pf possibly taking the scum kill tonight if we mislynch? if you are town and a bodyguard then why wouldn't you argue this point, rather than just giving up?