Team Mafia: White Flag Mafia

[Amrun]

Yeeeessss this pleases Amrun.

[TheButtonmen]

D3VC6:

Llamamarble (4): Amrun, ChrisB, mith, Thor
Amrun (2): Llamarble, Sotty
LlamaFluff (1): DH
mith (1): Llamafluff

Not Voting (1): Equinox

With 9 alive it's 5 to lynch.

[Equinox]

Content will be coming, but I'm going to have a little bit of fun here while I work on that. Llamarble has until the time my patience meter runs out to post a response to my question and whatever awesome things he promised. Once the meter hits 0, I may drop the hammer.

Go, game, go!

[Llamarble]

I'm at

L - 1

NOBODY HAMMER.
TONIGHT I WILL CATCH UP.

I'm concerned because as IPie pointed out, Amrun & DH were the two nonvoters at the end of D1, which is yucky.
I'm wrong about something and I'm going to figure out what it is tonight.

@Equinox on Thor:
Participation in the DGB lynch and DGB wagoning him late in the day and his assertive play all bode town.
Looking him over now though, I don't see much puzzle-solving or caring deeply who gets lynched. And he defends Amrun.

Let's do this.

Unvote: Kalzam
Vote: DGB

I usually get slight town tells off of whoever attacks DGB first in a game. Also I'm much more interested in playing the DGB/Socio game than anything else currently.

So maybe he was scum on DGB who voted early for cred expecting it to go away and got stuck there because an unvote would look awful.
But then there's that 'DGB would be more derpy as town and would pick a scum role let's lynch her' post that doesn't feel bussy.
I will look more tonight.

[Chris B]

Feeling a bit better about Thor than I was. Rest of team agrees he's town, and I liked his reason for wanting me to restate my case - it also explains a bit more why he refused to do the same thing earlier.

At the same time, he's a bit frustrating. My case on Sotty was not exactly a mega wall of text, and he accused me of wanting the same thing when I asked for cases on DGB, despite the fact I specified that I was looking for them in the size of about a paragraph. It was the kind of thing that's frustrating enough that I actually wanted him to be scum.

I don't feel the need to respond to DH's request for an 'updated' case on Sotty, unless he explains why he asked for it, why he hasnt' asked many other people for that kind of thing, and why his posts in this thread read like he's stalking me.

Re: Llamarble, the more cases people make, the more comfortable I am with this lynch. The amount of waiting he keeps asking people to do whenever he's under pressure comes across as hoping things will blow over.

[Equinox]

The amount of waiting he keeps asking people to do whenever he's under pressure comes across as hoping things will blow over.

Fear not! The patience meter does not slow down for such things. It must either be stopped completely by a great force that only the righteous may yield or it must be completely depleted.

Participation in the DGB lynch and DGB wagoning him late in the day and his assertive play all bode town.
Looking him over now though, I don't see much puzzle-solving or caring deeply who gets lynched. And he defends Amrun.

How serious do you believe the Thor665 wagon was at the end of the day? Do you believe Thor665-scum would defend Amrun-scum when Amrun-scum already has other people -- who would presumably be town in this hypothetical -- strongly defending her? What do you think of the strength of the meta tell you had early on Day 1?

[Thor665]

@Equinox on Thor:
Participation in the DGB lynch and DGB wagoning him late in the day and his assertive play all bode town.
Looking him over now though, I don't see much puzzle-solving or caring deeply who gets lynched. And he defends Amrun.

Let's do this.

Somebody didn't notice that my town case was totally dependant on him continuing to buddy me like nobody's business.
Please quote my puzzle solving from Day 1 to show what I'm not doing now.

[Llamarble]

Thor is town. There are just too many 'this is a masterpiece if he's scum' posts.
Embarassingly, I have actually been giving this game MORE attention than my others recently.
I am a lot more caught up now than I was.
Amrun is scum.

[DemonHybrid]

As of this post, Amrun, Chris, mith and Thor cannot be scum with Llamarble if Llamarble is scum.

All four have been consistently townie lately, with the exception of Thor (while he's been townie, it surely hasn't been consistently).

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

[DemonHybrid]

Sotty, LlamaFluff, and Equinox. Equinox wants to drop the hammer.

LlamaFluff is being weird about this lynch and is pushing mith.

Sotty

: Please update us on what you think about Llamarble.

[Sotty7]

I haven't caught up fully yet, I'm a couple of pages behind. But at this point I don't want to hammer marble.

[Amrun]

Why not?

[Sotty7]

137 - Sotty, why was Equinox contesting DGB's town read a "bad thing" for you? Your reaction to that bothers me a bit (in light of Equinox saying DGB is probably scum, there).

I just don't see why town would contend a town read of themselves from another player like that. It feels like forced reason to argue with someone to me. It all felt very fake and still does to a point. This might have been feed by my growing feeling of EquiScum at the time.

182 - I must have skimmed over this when it happened, because I don't remember this post at all. What changed between 173/174 and this? 173 suggests SocioPath's picking-this-game/town reasoning was "over the top?" (also a bit odd after harping on the uselessness of Llamarble's questions so much early on), but it's a bit of a jump to go from there to "I'm admittedly tempted to switch to Socio..." with no additional reasoning, even without a "I'm admittedly tempted to switch to Socio." in between.

Seems pretty in line to me. I did think Socio over explained his reasoning for picking this game, it seemed a little too dramatic. After that he voted DGB for what I believed at the time to be a weak reason. I was the only vote on marble and with Socio creeping up my suspect list I was willing to wagon to see where it went. I wasn't quite ready to make the switch at this point though and in the end, never actually did.

405 - Day 2... Sotty, can you explain why you were willing to disregard IP's wagon argument for Klazam-town, but used his essentially identical argument for Llamarble-town to downgrade that read?

Because it wasn't identical. The Klazam clears where done because DGB was the first vote on Socio and Klazam the third. I don't think that makes him more likely to be town at all, not with a player voting in between.

Marble on the other hand had DGB right behind him in the vote counts. That is less likely to happen with two scum buddies. Although if anyone is going to screw with VCA, it's DGB so maybe I did over value that at the time. I do still believe if we went just by those VCA's Klazam is more likely scum than Marble.

[Sotty7]

Also, that post is so beautiful that Sotty overtakes mith in the sccumlist.

That point on Llamarble/Thor is excellent.

What? Mith has me as more likely town after that post.

Why not?

You being number one cheerleader here and trying to chain my lynch afterwards makes my gut reaction to not hammering a pretty good one I think.

[Chris B]

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

Is this not white-knighting in itself?

Hypothetically, if Llamarble is scum and you're also scum, isn't this the perfect way to white-knight him without it looking like you are?

[Equinox]

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

Shush, man, that was the whole point of me saying how impatient I was to see Llamarble say something good. Though I like what's come out of your question of Sotty7 soooo let's see how this goes!

Thor is town. There are just too many 'this is a masterpiece if he's scum' posts.
Embarassingly, I have actually been giving this game MORE attention than my others recently.
I am a lot more caught up now than I was.
Amrun is scum.

Tick tock, tick tock, tick tock.

[Thor665]

All four have been consistently townie lately, with the exception of Thor (while he's been townie, it surely hasn't been consistently).

Probably you just aren't good at reading people

[DemonHybrid]

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

Is this not white-knighting in itself?

Hypothetically, if Llamarble is scum and you're also scum, isn't this the perfect way to white-knight him without it looking like you are?

I'm not against his lynch. I just need to look for the people outright defending him.

[Sotty7]

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

Shush, man, that was the whole point of me saying how impatient I was to see Llamarble say something good. Though I like what's come out of your question of Sotty7 soooo let's see how this goes!

I already answered his question in that I won't hammer him.

Also here

[Amrun]

Also, that post is so beautiful that Sotty overtakes mith in the sccumlist.

That point on Llamarble/Thor is excellent.

What? Mith has me as more likely town after that post.

Why not?

You being number one cheerleader here and trying to chain my lynch afterwards makes my gut reaction to not hammering a pretty good one I think.

A) I am not sheeping mith. I just think that post was really townie - not that I necessarily agree with every word.

B) I got the impression that he meant more likely town than the Llamas, not an actual townread, but he can clarify this.

C) Promising to help someone lynch my #2 scumread if my #1 scumread is incorrect is not exactly chaining lynches; it is the logical course of action - but even if it were chaining lynches, why would that affect your read of Llamarble? How would you even know there would be a tomorrow?

The more I read this the more it feels like a scumslip. I want to vote for you but I am loathe to take the pressure off of Llamarble. You have a 9/10 chance of being scum, Sotty.

[Thor665]

Yeeeessss this pleases Thor.

[Sotty7]

I never said you were sheeping mith. But I am loving how I am becoming more and more a lynch target for you for no real reason. Keep it up.

[Sotty7]

C) Promising to help someone lynch my #2 scumread if my #1 scumread is incorrect is not exactly chaining lynches; it is the logical course of action - but even if it were chaining lynches, why would that affect your read of Llamarble? How would you even know there would be a tomorrow?

The more I read this the more it feels like a scumslip. I want to vote for you but I am loathe to take the pressure off of Llamarble. You have a 9/10 chance of being scum, Sotty.

This is pretty funny when you consider I believe you to be scum and marble to be town at this point.

Chaining lynches makes you scummy, it doesn't effect my marble read. Your cheerleading of the marble wagon does slightly effect my marble read. My marble read has been slightly town since the start of the day.

Your really starting to reeeeeeeach here.

[Chris B]

Hm. I'm going to see who's white knighting him. If NOBODY is, I'd suggest a lynch on someone else, because I'd expect a partner to want to try to save the game.

Is this not white-knighting in itself?

Hypothetically, if Llamarble is scum and you're also scum, isn't this the perfect way to white-knight him without it looking like you are?

I'm not against his lynch. I just need to look for the people outright defending him.

And again. If you were on his side, couldn't this be a way to say 'Oh, look, nobody's defending him - best not lynch him'?

[LlamaFluff]

Im not going to vote marble. Pretty sure he is a mislynch, and I think that I could actually argue it from a stance that makes people agree with me for once (*cough* mith).

The wagoners are out. None of them are showing signs of wanting to come off the wagon which they would be when you look at Equinox off the wagon saying that they have intention to hammer, also removing them from the pool of with marble. The already has it down to DH, me and Sotty. DH gets a probable not given that I have a town read on him, and that marble kept him as a fairly high suspicion for most of the game, I dont think he ever was out of a top three situation. When there are as many needed mislynches as there were, and DH is as isolated in the three spot (fourth far out), and many people show DH-wagon interest, that doesnt work.

So, if someone is scum with marble, its Sotty. I just have this borderline gut feeling though that the way that they went after eachother during the first day that its not partners. This isnt the strongest feeling though, but I just really cant see a marble-scum that doesnt have sotty-scum attached to it at this point. Sotty also explicitly asked DGB to comment on marble, and had marble as a top two suspect to start the next day. So yes, not marble.