Mafia 103 - Ktown Mafia (Game Over)

[kunkstar7]

If its LyLo, why so quick to vote? It seems like you are automatically believing both claims. Is that so?

[Kdub]

Vote Count

Furry (0)

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cruelty (0)

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Sir Chris (0)

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kunkstar7 (1)

- Kirbyoshi

don_johnson (0)

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Kirbyoshi (0)

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My Milked Eek (0)

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No Lynch (0)

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Not Voting (6)

- Furry, cruelty, Sir Chris, kunkstar7, don_johnson, My Milked Eek

7 players alive, 4 votes needed to lynch.

Deadline is February 26, ~1:30 pm MST

[Kirbyoshi]

I have no reason to doubt either claim, and we're not quite at quick-hammer territory yet.

[Furry]

I still would prefer to hold off voting.

Going to reread kunk, kirby and SC. My vote is going to one of them, I just dont know who yet. I continue to request a cruelty case from one of them.

[Furry]

That should be kunk DJ and SC, my bad

[Kirbyoshi]

Why not MME, Furry? Chris has been semi-cleared by you and Cruelty, so objectively, MME is more likely to be scum than SC. Why Chris over MME?

[Furry]

Why not MME, Furry? Chris has been semi-cleared by you and Cruelty, so objectively, MME is more likely to be scum than SC. Why Chris over MME?

They are the three pushing on cruelty for claiming tracker. If there was a blatant problem with that claim then yes, you can do that, however there is not. The biggest strike is targeting all VTs/claimed roles, but when a majority of the town has no actions, its to be expected.

I would expect at least two of those three are scum. SC is lowest on the list of the three however due to my results and cruels. I am going back and forth on DJ and kunk right now. What I do want is a very concise LoS from each of them, and reasoning as to why we should lynch cruelty (SC is not excluded from this)

[don_johnson]

ok. i call for a mexican standoff. heres the rules:

1) in your next post you place a vote.
2) you must choose who you think is scummiest.
3) you may not choose a player who has already been voted for.
4) any player who places a second vote on a player who already has one vote should be autolynched.
5) kirby has a vote, i'm going now, the player i vote goes next, that player goes next etc.
6) once all votes are placed, we go in order and explain our votes as succintly as possible.
7) any player who doesn't comply within 36 hours by placing a vote, is autolynched. if town can't pull this together then we don't deserve the win.

vote: cruelty

cruelty, you're up. you may not self vote and you may not vote kunk.

[Furry]

lol no

Ironically im just about ready to vote for DJ for even suggesting that

[don_johnson]

Ironically im just about ready to vote for DJ for even suggesting that

that's the idea. i got the feeling you'd vote for me when i voted cruelty. and i see no reason to excuse cruelty's play at this stage of the game. therefore i suggest the mexican standoff method to avoid a quicklynch and get everyone participating. however, its not your turn yet. kunk can vote after someone votes kirby or me. trust me. participation is going to be key to figuring this out.

[Furry]

Ironically im just about ready to vote for DJ for even suggesting that

that's the idea. i got the feeling you'd vote for me when i voted cruelty. and i see no reason to excuse cruelty's play at this stage of the game. therefore i suggest the mexican standoff method to avoid a quicklynch and get everyone participating. however, its not your turn yet. kunk can vote after someone votes kirby or me. trust me. participation is going to be key to figuring this out.

If you think you are going to tell me when I can vote, and especially if you think I will listen to it, you have another thing coming.

Just to be crystal clear, you think cruelty is scum just because he claimed tracker?

[don_johnson]

Just to be crystal clear, you think cruelty is scum just because he claimed tracker?

clear as granite countertops. what thread are you reading? first, i have listed multiple reasons for my thought process. second. part of the rules of the mexican standoff are providing reasons

after

everyone has voted. stop being such a stick in the mud.

[Furry]

Just to be crystal clear, you think cruelty is scum just because he claimed tracker?

clear as granite countertops. what thread are you reading? first, i have listed multiple reasons for my thought process. second. part of the rules of the mexican standoff are providing reasons

after

everyone has voted. stop being such a stick in the mud.

Well why are you voting him. This is the best I can find

most likely scenario is 3 scum. in 3 scum you are most likely guaranteed at least one power role. power roles generally can't take action and kill in the same night. which means scum team members have a 66% chance of moving at night. given the fact that cruelty claims to have gotten no movement on SC night 2, why so willing to lynch him on day 3? just seems like it goes against the odds. his opening vote on me was weak sauce with little to no follow-up. i will have to reread yesterday for a more accurate picture.

i doubt both claims are true.

That sounds similar to "I dont believe his role" to me.

We arent doing your plan though. While if this was 'cruel or kunk' my vote would be easy, im still not sure it would be best quite yet. This is lylo, doing what you are saying with FoSs I would be fine with, followed by forcing them all to votes after discussion. Like this is bad.

[don_johnson]

not believing his claim is not the same as voting him because he claimed tracker. when you match the claim with the in thread play, it doesn't read proper. once everyone has laid down a vote, i will present my reasoning in a more understandable fashion.

what are you worried about? just follow the rules i laid out. would you rather that noone participates in today's discussion?

cruelty, you're up.

[Kirbyoshi]

dj, what you are proposing is preposterous. And actually, if we do play by the rules you set, you should be autolynched, because you voted out of turn; kunk would go next. However, we are not going by your rules. Stop being scummy, thx.

[don_johnson]

no. please refer to rule number 5.

5) kirby has a vote, i'm going now, the player i vote goes next, that player goes next etc.

i am clearly within the bounds of the rules.

so i take it that you are in the "lets just let everybody lurk until town screws up" club with furry?

[Furry]

not believing his claim is not the same as voting him because he claimed tracker. when you match the claim with the in thread play, it doesn't read proper. once everyone has laid down a vote, i will present my reasoning in a more understandable fashion.

So not breadcrumbing then?

what are you worried about? just follow the rules i laid out. would you rather that noone participates in today's discussion?

I would rather treat this like a normal day. We discuss, we lynch, we dont force everyone to vote in some wierd order.

Im thinking DJ/kunk/??[SC/MME]

cruelty I think is town. Kirby im leaning town at this point. DJ and kunk are probably scum, that leaves one of SC and MME for the final one

[don_johnson]

you are really missing the boat on the cruelty case. i will explain the case further when the standoff is complete.

why do you think cruelty is town?

[Furry]

you are really missing the boat on the cruelty case. i will explain the case further when the standoff is complete.

Explain it now, standoff thing isnt going to work as im already refusing to do it and encourage others to.

why do you think cruelty is town?

Have had a town read on him most of the game, the claim doesnt change anything.

[Furry]

Oh and once kunk posts again im planning on voting. I think ive got this all figured out but want him to confirm it.

[kunkstar7]

As it were, I was waiting for cruelty to show up to see his response to dj's standoff.

Furry, how would you like me to confirm it? How do you have it figured out?

[Furry]

As it were, I was waiting for cruelty to show up to see his response to dj's standoff.

Furry, how would you like me to confirm it? How do you have it figured out?

Maybe I should of said 'kunk show up with a suspicion'

Do you plan on voting cruel?

[kunkstar7]

I wasn't planning yet, for one I would rather avoid dj's autolynch rule and besides a claim that I feel that is fishy I haven't compiled a substantial case on him yet. His interactions with players he tracked is something that I want to review.

[cruelty]

Working ATM, football after work. Hopefully get a chance to post properly later tonight.

Want dj's case on me, can't see a reason to withhold at this point of the game.

[don_johnson]

votes come first. cases come after.

why is this such an issue for you guys? i'm suggesting an organized plan for participation. we need to lynch correctly today, no? forcing everyone to contribute can only help.

furry: "Have had a town read on him most of the game, the claim doesnt change anything," is not an acceptable answer to the question "why do you think cruelty is town?" please try again.