Mini Normal 2319: Flavorless Hell | Day 5

[Black]

Maybe it is just Hu Tao here

[Black]

Looking over her ISO I'm seeing a lot of similarities to Mini Normal 1094 that just ended


I think one of Hu's scumtells is that she's slightly more verbose than usual. And she gets defensive while calling people that attack her defensive. She literally called me defensive in 1094 in almost the exact same way that she did in 56. I think one of her tactics as scum is to undermine people pushing her by calling them defensive

[Black]

She locktowned Drew for "making so much sense" and has maintained that the entire game without ever second guessing herself. I don't think the strength of that read feels natural. It feels more like a pocket attempt

[Black]

Yes. Post 45 seems forced, they voted me based on the gob vote but I never explained my gob vote. If they were curious about it then they would have just asked me before voting or suspecting me.

I didn't get the impression she voted you for 31, I thought she was voting you for 39 and 41

dragoneater is right. your "why" made me feel like you were concerned about the vote and i didn't like how you accepted "why not" as an answer originally

i'm not sure how this wasn't obvious to you after 55?

also i disagree with the assessment that i would have just asked you about it before putting pressure on you. sometimes people use voting as a way to communicate

Okay, maybe that's my misunderstanding then

This reminds me of another moment in 1094 where Hu tried to push me for bad reasons and then backed off in a real appease-y type way

I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.

This was an awful take and a complete misrep over the state of the game at the time

I'm also starting to get sus of Gob but I'm not sure why.

This looks really bad in hindsight

how am i sheeping umlaut when i expressed suspicion there before he even voted?

i'll admit i considered not going there because i'm still somewhat suspicious of umlaut but i think the way hu tao has tagged along on both the dragon and gob wagons outweighs those worries about umlaut

i'm a little wary of you and aliana but y'all are both putting in more effort than hu tao. i think celebloki and drew are town, and i know i'm town, so i'm not sure why you think it's a bad look for me to push hu tao here

So I'm scum because I'm not putting enough effort in for your liking?

that's certainly one way to phrase it

i think you could be scum because you're not really doing much solving, you want to end the day for a reason i don't think makes much sense, and you're just jumping from wagon to wagon without much reasoning

I started the gob quick wagon. So if I'm scum are you saying I'm saving my scum teammate dragon after making him claim? Or are you saying I'm scum who wanted to remove pressure off one town to another?

Hu comes across as pretty defensive here

[Black]

I've been thinking that the last scum is someone that has been scumreading Dragon and putting him in their solves. Hu Tao has been doing that more than anyone

[Black]

Hu Tao is also doing the least amount of solving and seems to just be lurking through the game not saying much of anything. I kinda thought it was lazy town but now I just think it's scum motivated

[Black]

I'm gonna do a deep dive on this tomorrow morning when I can use my PC

In the meantime, Hu I think you should probably give as many reads as possible. And be detailed about them

[Black]

No Elim is still the best to do now and not later

since scum haven't killed twice in a row

but I can't be bothered to try to argue here.

>.>

[Black]

I know I said I would deep dive tomorrow but in the Arby's drive thru and I feel like I found a deep wolf and it's gotten me excited

[Black]

Hmm. Hu Tao did bus their scum buddy in Mini Normal 1094 that just ended, so it's possible

I would bus, but not bring my partners name out of no where and say quick wagon it. Either way. We wait for dragon.

This is a lie. Gob's name didn't come out of nowhere

I think Hu Tao bussed in this game just like she did in her last game

[Black]

I still think the correct play is to fade me here but give me time, let me talk some things out so you all are better set up to solve this when I'm gone

Are you still able to vig?

Hu wanted to make sure I'm not a threat

Spoiler: Hu Tao pushed HARD for the massclaim

I'm okay with mass claiming. That way we lock how many pr there are. 2 already claimed. Also can check for balance

I'm okay with mass claiming. That way we lock how many pr there are. 2 already claimed. Also can check for balance

3. Kyouko is a PR

Personally I don't think massclaiming is a good idea. Keep the scum guessing

I've been wrong about this before though

What is there to guess? They know the pr they kill there. That's why it's better to mass claim to lock in roles and vote either in VT or prs

It's only a game of 10 so there won't be that many PR especially when one scum was a goon

Okay let's mass claim. I'm VT

Why aren't people claiming? Scummy. We should make sure we have all the claims before voting off someone.

Am I missing any claims? If so please claim again. Also anyone voting should unvote until we get all claims

Okay so need Drew to claim. Umlaut to confirm they are VT and then ssbm to full claim after

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

Locking this in

[Celebloki]

I've made it no secret that my top 2 are Drew and Hu Tao. They seem to be oddly protective of each other though. Especially considering they can't be buddies atp.

[Black]

Yeah you've been consistent with that

I'm actually taking you out of my preferred eliminations chain. I think you're just town now that I finally see how scummy Hu Tao has been. I wish I had seen it earlier

Hu --> Dann --> Drew but I really feel like we win the game after fading Hu

[Celebloki]

Hu Tao trying to cement the narrative that she was the champion of the gob wagon is for me the biggest smoking gun. Yeah, she lightly shaded him and said she'd be into a flash wagon, but she only voted after others did. Then she didn't push it at all after that. Then she comes in here the next day saying she led the D1 wagon on scum.

[Black]

She also supported no limming twice and I really think 1086 was a slip. If her plan is to reduce the PoE as little as possible and to also frame people while also floating the narrative that Dragon could be scum, the no limming and no killing makes a ton of sense in a scum!Hu world

[Black]

Killing gera also fits in with ^ this plan. If Hu is scum then she wants to give us as little information as possible and let us beat each other up while she coasts on "I can't be scum because I led the gob wagon"

[Black]

VOTE: Hu Tao

doesn't really feel like she's trying to read gob here she just seems more concerned that she's being voted for

Well this is a fake read. You didn't even ask the reason as to why I voted gob in the first place so how could you know this?

VOTE: altaria

I think Hu Tao is more defensive as scum than she is town. Town!Hu typically brushes off scumreads from what I've noticed, or she'll ask "Why?" or something that indicates she's genuinely thinking about her attacker's alignment. But scum!Hu is visibly bothered by the scumreads and can't help but respond/react to them

scumreading me for a fake read even after i re-evaluated that read doesn't make me feel like you are trying to sort me in good faith

Then why not vote me?

Seems like you're saying this for validation rather than an actual scumread

i don't really think you're scum tbh. i'm more inclined to believe you just want to be right here which is preventing you from re-evaluating me

It is still early, if you town it up I can reconsider. At the moment I don't see it. What are your other reads at the moment? I know it's early

This feels like Hu was trying to get me to look elsewhere, while also goading me to "town it up" and using the fact that she might reconsider her read on me if I do. She wanted me off her trail immediately

[Doctor Drew]

I wasn't really defending Hu, just she was the only person really listening to what I was saying when I was going at it with Black. I was a bit weary of how strongly she was town reading me, but I also have played a bunch with her as of late(is she should have a decent grasp of my town game).

Now that being said, I definitely could see her as a deep wolf. I feel I was probably a bit blinded by my frustration to see it earlier, but I definitely could see myself voting there.

Also Black, a bit a a funny aside. I thought about how the interactions we had earlier in the game remind me of how Flavor Leaf and I interact in basically every game where are in together(mostly both town). We butt heads and call each other scum, then have a magical moment where we realize we are both town. Sometimes happens quicker than others, but we get there lol.

You are Flavor 2.0 to me

[Black]

Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much

I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh

[Doctor Drew]

Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much

I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh

I actually really like playing with him.

But, you definitely don't as much of a healthy ego as him haha.

[Black]

Maybe that's why FL annoys me so much

I hope I'm not as annoying as him tbh

I actually really like playing with him.

But, you definitely don't as much of a healthy ego as him haha.

Honestly I shouldn't be so hateful towards him. I've only played with him once and he was scum, and the way he pushed me in bad faith just made me super annoyed. He was just doing his job though

[Black]

I feel disengaged, maybe since recent talk has been meta.

Who does everyone think has had the worst day so far? (Not meta related)

I don't think I've ever seen town!Hu ask a question like this. It reads as her trying to get an idea on where she can safely push

[Black]

I think we need a flip. This game seems ro be the same conversation in different ways to me.

It looks to me like plenty is happening. What's the hurry?

Also, why don't you think a Drew flip is possible when like half the game has scumread/voted him at some point?

Sus post by you. Just because others scumread him, doesn't mean I have to be inclined to feel the same

Another case of Hu Tao getting defensive and throwing shade for no real reason

[Black]

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

If you want

I'm apparently still alive

Should I claim?

you could wait until intent to hammer if you want but it's up to you

I'm also fine with a gob flash wagon

any crumbs?

VOTE: gob

You literally followed my lead, then complained about it after.

Altaria could be scum, maybe I was right before.

Yet another case of Hu Tao getting defensive and calling someone scum after they scumread her. Seems like a common discredit technique from her. She likes to undermine scumreads on her in this way