The First Mafia: Game Over

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:07 am

If Snarky's a Mafia Soldier, he would've known EP had been executed and Katsuki'd be the obvious culprit (certainly, I assumed it was Katsuki). Given the amount of Town Soldiers, a second Mafia Soldier wouldn't surprise me. That also explains why he didn't question Katsuki on the EP execution.

SpyreX · Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:45 am

Hah i was thinking full lies but yes that also fills that gap.

mykonian · Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:10 am

It is not reasonable that he who is armed should yield obedience willingly to him who is unarmed, or that the unarmed man should be secure among armed servants.

Votecounts:

For leadership

Spyrex (3): Cogito Ergo Sum, Spyrex, Implosion
DrippingGoofball (3): Uptoolate, DrippingGoofball, Farside22
Snarkysnowman (1): Snarkysnowman

not voting (2): Katsuki, Petroleumjelly

With 9 alive it takes 6 to change leader

For the lynch

Katsuki (2): DrippingGoofball, Farside22
Snarkysnowman (1): Spyrex
DrippingGoofball (1): Katsuki

not voting (5): Uptoolate, Cogito Ergo Sum, Snarkysnowman, Petroleumjelly, Implosion

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

6 days remaining for the leadership vote

farside22 · Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:21 am

In post 1149, SpyreX wrote:? That role could be 100% made up with the same end result. Which Mt opinion is it is

No one was executed day 1, it wasn't know till day 2 that a player could execute 2 players per kats claim.
Are you saying that it was clear that the leader could execute 2 players?

farside22 · Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:24 am

In post 1150, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:If Snarky's a Mafia Soldier, he would've known EP had been executed and Katsuki'd be the obvious culprit (certainly, I assumed it was Katsuki). Given the amount of Town Soldiers, a second Mafia Soldier wouldn't surprise me. That also explains why he didn't question Katsuki on the EP execution.

Okay this I get.
But then he was only tracked to ep.
Nothing would stop scum shooting both.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:25 am

Catching up. Spy wants leader now so

Leader: SpyreX

farside22 · Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:26 am

Mod: if a politician targets a player at night and he dies, does his action go though?

mykonian · Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:31 am

Getting killed does not get ones role blocked.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:31 am

In post 1094, SnarkySnowman wrote:For real guys on the leader change, I'm okay with PJ, Implosion (grudgingly, but), or myself. I will not vote a leader outside of this.

Why not SpyreX?

farside22 · Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:37 am

In post 1157, mykonian wrote:
Getting killed does not get ones role blocked.

Thanks for that.

So either you think kats fake guilty and shooting of EP is scummy you should vote there.
If you think snarky claim is more suspect then that I'd like to know why.

implosion · Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:47 am

I think SS is scummy but probably less so than Katsuki and Katsuki-scum makes SS-scum somewhat less likely.

I'll be V/LA until Thursday; I probably won't really be posting less but it's possible.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:49 am

In post 1101, farside22 wrote:Alright let's see how far I get this time.

I'm betting utl is scum.
She did something I do when I'm scum.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8241194
Seriously???

What did I do that you do as scum? That's not my post, so I'm assuming it's separate from your comment.

In post 1101, farside22 wrote: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8242164
Ewwwww

I'm going to need more than that. What is your issue with this post?

In post 1101, farside22 wrote: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8243825
Wtf is this shit implosion?

I REALLY hated the post from implostion as well. Actually I wasn't a fan of any of his D1 posting I don't think.

In post 1103, farside22 wrote:Here's outing things is pretty Nai and frankly her full game is actively lurking, weak pushes and fence sitting post.
Also I'm betting no one used the execute day 1 but I remember when it was claimed it was hinted with one execute, not 2.

Hey farside. Serious question. In your game, other than Yume, how many strong pushes did I make? How much did I do other than get Yume lynched? Like really? Nothing.

SnarkySnowman · Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:57 am

In post 1158, UpTooLate wrote:
In post 1094, SnarkySnowman wrote:For real guys on the leader change, I'm okay with PJ, Implosion (grudgingly, but), or myself. I will not vote a leader outside of this.
Why not SpyreX?

Don't trust spyrex. I'm like 90+ percent confident those three I mentioned are town. In a pinch I guess I could vote for DGB too.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:58 am

In post 1125, petroleumjelly wrote:8.) UpTooLate and Cogito Ergo Sum, do you think Executions would not occur if you "disobeyed" the order? What do you realistically think would happen if you "disobeyed"?

9.) UpTooLate and Cogito Ergo Sum, what do you think would happen if all of the Soldiers were to die? Would the Leader be unable to perform executions, since they only "order" them but do not personally carry them out?

I don't know and I don't know.

This is part of the reason I'm having issues with this game. The mechanics aren't adding up and making sense, and I very heavily rely on information and hard facts to piece the puzzle together. At this point I only have one strong read, SpyreX, and I feel like I have no footing anywhere else (though I have a few thoughts I'll get into when I finish my catch up).

P. edit, Snarky, why don't you trust Spy?

Cogito Ergo Sum · Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:09 am

I was assuming Katsuki was given the option of executing EP because the slot didn't kill anyone while leader and that that would also be the consequence for disobeying.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:15 am

In post 1164, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I was assuming Katsuki was given the option of executing EP because the slot didn't kill anyone while leader and that that would also be the consequence for disobeying.

That's a really good thought actually. Especially since Kats said that changing leaders had nothing to do with amount of execution targets like I had previously thought.

SpyreX · Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:26 am

In post 1153, farside22 wrote:
In post 1149, SpyreX wrote:? That role could be 100% made up with the same end result. Which Mt opinion is it is
No one was executed day 1, it wasn't know till day 2 that a player could execute 2 players per kats claim.
Are you saying that it was clear that the leader could execute 2 players?

I think you're over thinking what I'm saying.

Scum snowman visits ep as a role. Gets tracked. After jazzhands says his role is magic i tell you who ordered the kill if i visit him on the night they are killed.

As scum, you can 100% say kats did it regardless of kats alignment. Because who else 'orders' a kill.

There's no doubt that claim will come up 'legit' because it's worthless.

SpyreX · Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:27 am

Addendum: the only scenario it makes any sense is if scum have a leader and use the exact same mechanic.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:55 am

In post 1166, SpyreX wrote:
In post 1153, farside22 wrote:
In post 1149, SpyreX wrote:? That role could be 100% made up with the same end result. Which Mt opinion is it is
No one was executed day 1, it wasn't know till day 2 that a player could execute 2 players per kats claim.
Are you saying that it was clear that the leader could execute 2 players?
I think you're over thinking what I'm saying.

Scum snowman visits ep as a role. Gets tracked. After jazzhands says his role is magic i tell you who ordered the kill if i visit him on the night they are killed.

As scum, you can 100% say kats did it regardless of kats alignment. Because who else 'orders' a kill.

There's no doubt that claim will come up 'legit' because it's worthless.

In post 1167, SpyreX wrote:Addendum: the only scenario it makes any sense is if scum have a leader and use the exact same mechanic.

So here's what I'm taking from this:

Snarky's claim is either fake or there is a scum leader.

If Snarky's claim is fake he's obviously scum.

If Snarky's claim is real then Kats is pretty much scum, and he's probably a scum Leader as well.

Snarky's claimed role makes no sense if there isn't someone else who can order a kill, so these are really the only two options I see as plausible at this point.

Katsuki · Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:03 am

V/LA until the completion of my game

LEader:Spyspy

UpTooLate · Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:06 am

Ok some quick thoughts:

I really want answers from Katsuki.

Why did you essentially go AFK yesterday.. I don't see your reasoning behind it.

He's been asked multiple times about his "guilty" on bulba.

He never answered me as to why he was so sure I was scum before he did a 180 (I don't think.)

He now admits that he did order the kill on EP, after initially saying he wouldn't have done that, and the way he acted when I outed what happened was really weird.

I'll go into more detail when he answers his question about me. I definitely think he's a great lynch target.

VOTE: Katsuki

p edit NO KATSUKI.

You answer what is being asked first.

UpTooLate · Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:17 am

For anybody:

Why is CES a townread?

farside22 · Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:56 am

In post 1164, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:I was assuming Katsuki was given the option of executing EP because the slot didn't kill anyone while leader and that that would also be the consequence for disobeying.

She didn't say that.
Great jib giving her a get out of jail card.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:16 am

If I'm leader I'm putting PJ on the cutting block

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:18 am

Just to be clear. You're voting to vig PJ and one of these two:

Uptoolate
Snarkysnowman

I am willing to let people pick which of them should get the bullet.