Space Monkey Mafia: GAME OVER!

[petroleumjelly]

Asking if I "wanted to hammer VitaminR" would be a good way to make sure you aren't role-blocked if you are scum. Getting townspeople to do your work for you is always the way scum would prefer to do things. Hence, black mark.

[dahen]

However, dahen took that post where you said that ensign makes sense as a roleblocker, and apparently didn't read the rest of it

Ok, sorry. It's true that I didn't read all posts completely when writing my last post. I thought I included the essentials.

But then, VitR, where do you stand? This post is a mess:

PJ, I do see the advantage of voting the common denominator, but it's not that clear to me who that would be.

If it's Glork, then it would be Glork - dahen.
If it's klebian, klebian - Fritzler seems most likely. Klebian - dahen would also be an option.

That would make dahen the choice for today. I'd lean towards Fritzler over dahen, though. I don't really find that choice any easier.

At this point, I feel most confident about a klebian vote (so I suppose you would see this as a confirm vote).

You say I'm the logical vote, but that you are leaning towards a Fritzler lynch and that you are most confident about a Klebian vote.

You didn't list Glork+Fritzler as a possible pair. Why not?

mod

: I second Glorks suggestion of retracted deadline.

[dahen]

Asking if I "wanted to hammer VitaminR" would be a good way to make sure you aren't role-blocked if you are scum. Getting townspeople to do your work for you is always the way scum would prefer to do things. Hence, black mark.

Do you think there is a chance on earth that Glork would block/claim to have blocked you in this game?

[petroleumjelly]

End of Day One

: 17 Alive

bird1111

: 9 (

Twito

,

STD

,

CES

,

Fritzler, klebian

,

Phoebus, inHimshallibe, Zindaras

,

Nightson/VitaminR

)

MrBuddyLee

: 2 (

Glork

,

Pooky

)

Glork

: 1 (

MBL

)

Phoebus

: 1 (

Bogre

)

Nightson

: 1 (

petroleumjelly

)

Not Voting: 3 (

bird1111, Masterchief/Twomz,

Dahen

)

Killed Night Two: MrBuddyLee

End of Day Two

: 15 Alive

inHimshallibe

: 8 (

Twito

,

STD

,

Fritzler, klebian

,

CES

,

Pooky, Masterchief

,

Glork

)

petroleumjelly

: 2 (

inHimshallibe, Thok

)

Twito

: 1 (

Phoebus

)

Glork

: 1 (

petroleumjelly

)

Not Voting: 3 (

Dahen

,

Nightson/VitaminR

,

Zindaras

)

Killed Night Three: Zindaras

End of Day Three

: 13 Alive

Cogito Ergo Sum

: 7 (

Thok, petroleumjelly

,

Glork

,

Dahen

,

STD, Pooky

,

Fritzler

)

Masterchief

: 1 (

Twito

)

Twito

: 1 (

Masterchief

)

Not Voting: 4 (

CES

,

spectrumvoid/Phoebus

,

klebian

,

VitaminR/Nightson

)

Killed Night Four: Nobody

End of Day Four

: 12 Alive

Masterchief

: 7 (

Twito

,

AndrewS

,

Nightson/VitaminR

,

Dahen

,

spectrumvoid, petroleumjelly, Thok

),

Glork

*

Not Voting: 5 (

Glork

*,

Masterchief

,

Fritzler, klebian

,

STD

)

Killed Night Five: spectrumvoid/Phoebus

*Note: Glork is considered to have been on this wagon.

End of Day Five

: 10 Alive

Save The Dragons

: 3 (

Glork

,

Fritzler, klebian

)

Nightson

: 3 (

AndrewS, Thok, petroleumjelly

)

Fritzler

: 1 (

Twito

)

Glork

: 1 (

STD

)

Not Voting: 2 (

Dahen

,

Nightson/VitaminR

)

Note: Day 5 is probably the most telling day in the whole game. The three people who voted for StD-town are all alive and unconfirmed, whereas the three other choices for a lynch are all unconfirmeds, and furthermore, the three voters on Nightson are all confirmed town.

Killed Night Six: AndrewS

End of Day Six

: 8 Alive

Twito

: 5 (

Thok

,

Dahen

,

petroleumjelly,

Glork

,

klebian

)

Not voting: 3 (

Fritzler

,

Nightson/VitaminR

,

Twito

)

Killed Night Seven: Thok

Miscellanous note:
~ Fritzler + Klebian have never been on two different people at the end of a day. The most difference they have shown is one of them not voting while the other is. The first time this happened was when CES-scum was lynched, and the second time this happens when was Twito-scum was lynched. For this reason, I have high-lighted each of them in blue.

EBWOP:

...Glork+Fritzler...

Pay attention. If it were Glork + Fritzler, Fritzler would have hammered Klebian ages ago when he had the chance. I've pointed this exact same thing out elsewhere.

Do you think there is a chance on earth that Glork would block/claim to have blocked you in this game?

WTH are you talking about? No: if Glork is town, he wouldn't block me if I chose to hammer VitaminR right now. But if you hammered VitaminR, that would indicate a higher chance of you being scum, which could in turn make him block you. If you could (as scum) get me to hammer VitaminR-town and hence leave yourself clean of the bandwagon entirely, you would be guaranteed to do so. Seriously not that difficult to understand.

*Yawn* Jelly is tired. Suppose that complete reread will have to wait.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

VitaminR: 3 (Fritzler klebian Glork)
klebian: 2 (VitaminR dahen)

Not voting: petroleumjelly

With 6 on the bridge it will take 4 to lynch!

24 hours and 32 minutes until deadline!

[dahen]

Dahen wrote:
...Glork+Fritzler...

Pay attention. If it were Glork + Fritzler, Fritzler would have hammered Klebian ages ago when he had the chance. I've pointed this exact same thing out elsewhere.

Now you are interferring again. I know what you are saying. I wanted to see VitR's response. The post I quoted was posted before this situation where Glork+Fritzler could hammer.

But if you hammered VitaminR, that would indicate a higher chance of you being scum, which could in turn make him block you. If you could (as scum) get me to hammer VitaminR-town and hence leave yourself clean of the bandwagon entirely, you would be guaranteed to do so.

I understand what you are saying but I don't believe it. I think Glork is just as skilled in reading as you are.

[VitaminR]

klebian and Fritzler are our scum.

Look, there's no way I'm scum with Glork. I stalled the klebian wagon the moment I replaced in and dragged us all into this mess.

If I'm scum, it's with klebian. Glork + Fritz is impossible, Glork + dahen is impossible. That only leaves klebian + Fritz.

Even if you think I'm scum, klebian is the way to go here.

However, dahen took that post where you said that ensign makes sense as a roleblocker, and apparently didn't read the rest of it

Ok, sorry. It's true that I didn't read all posts completely when writing my last post. I thought I included the essentials.

But then, VitR, where do you stand? This post is a mess:

PJ, I do see the advantage of voting the common denominator, but it's not that clear to me who that would be.

If it's Glork, then it would be Glork - dahen.
If it's klebian, klebian - Fritzler seems most likely. Klebian - dahen would also be an option.

That would make dahen the choice for today. I'd lean towards Fritzler over dahen, though. I don't really find that choice any easier.

At this point, I feel most confident about a klebian vote (so I suppose you would see this as a confirm vote).

You say I'm the logical vote, but that you are leaning towards a Fritzler lynch and that you are most confident about a Klebian vote.

You didn't list Glork+Fritzler as a possible pair. Why not?

mod

: I second Glorks suggestion of retracted deadline.

That would supposed to illustrate that I don't value the "common denominator" approach because it means my vote ends up on you, and, aside from PJ, you're the player I see as most likely to be town.

[Glork]

aside from PJ, you're the player I see as most likely to be town.

Why?

[Glork]

Also, why can't you be scum with Dahen?

[VitaminR]

Well yeah, that is an option too, I suppose.

Umm... dahen hasn't hammered me?

But at the time, I suppose it was largely gut. The careful way with which he approached the flavour claiming thing definitely had something to do with it, though.

[klebian]

aside from PJ, you're the player I see as most likely to be town.

Why?

[petroleumjelly]

Feh, this lousy game. Guess I'll still have to reread this sucker before tonight is through.

Glork

I don't like Glork's claim one bit. He seriously needs to learn how to play better with power roles if he is actually town. I also don't like his actions for pretty much this entire game.

But the problem is currently who his partner would be:

1.)

Not with Fritzler, or Klebian would have been lynched.

2.)

Not with Dahen, or VitaminR would have been lynched.

3.)

Unlikely with Klebian, though possible. I haven't dismissed this.

4.)

Possibly with VitaminR. What is getting me is that his early gameplay suggests {Nightson/VitaminR + Glork}, but the play today suggests the opposite. However, in LyLo situation, scummates usually go to great lengths to do whatever possible to dissociate themselves from each other (in my experience, I am usually better at reading scum-pairs earlier in a LyLo day than later in a LyLo day specifically because I tend to find something that changes my mind). This also would fit in with the general scumgroup I would imagine of {2-3 lurkers, 1-2 actives}.

VitaminR

Nightson was completley useless: pretty much exactly how the other scum {CES and Twito} were. I would expect similar play from at least one other scum, in addition to an "active" scum to whisk town suspicions in places other than lurkerscums. VitaminR's supposed "deliberative mood" today means nothing to me, because I know scum placed in a LyLo situation are likely to act exactly like VitaminR has.

1.)

Possibly with Glork (see above)

2.)

Unlikely with Fritzler, or Fritlzer could have hammered Klebian instead, and probably wouldn't be voting VitaminR right now.

3.)

Possibly with Klebian.

4.)

Possibly with Dahen.

Fritzler

1.)

Not with Glork.

2.)

Unlikely with VitaminR.

3.)

Unlikely with Dahen.

4.)

Possibly with Klebian.

Dahen

1.)

Not with Glork (would have voted VitaminR).

2.)

Possibly with VitaminR.

3.)

Unlikely with Fritzler (would have voted VitaminR).

4.)

Unlikely with Klebian (general interactions, lack of VitaminR vote).

Klebian

1.)

Unlikely with Glork.

2.)

Possibly with VitaminR.

3.)

Unlikely with Dahen.

4.)

Possibly with Fritzler.

I'll be voting by tonight.

[Glork]

Define "by tonight." I want a lynch to happen somewhere; if you decide to go with Klebian, I'd likely drop the hammer, but I'd need to be able to do that sometime pre-deadline. If you go with VitR, then it's not a problem.

[petroleumjelly]

Vote: Klebian

[Glork]

Also, I still completely disagree with your assessment of how I've played the role. I don't think it was necessary -- or even beneficial -- to claim. That kind of info would've helped the scums far more than it would have helped us, since I think it might've given them the guts to go after Thok (again?) earlier. I probably should have claimed yesterday, because it made sense for the scums to try to kill Thok last night, but even that would have been a LyLo roleblocker claim which you still would not have liked. On D5, after Thok investigated Kleb and pronounced him innocent, it would not have been beneficial at all, I think.

[Glork]

No hammer yet.

[petroleumjelly]

Hrm. No, I'll give it more thought.

Unvote

Two hours from now, then.

[Glork]

Unvote

I want to think now.

[petroleumjelly]

About what?

[Glork]

Which scumgroups I think are most likely and who I actually want lynched today.

[Glork]

I'm currently trying to see how the game would play out from here.

[Glork]

Okay, let's see. I'm still looking at the same scumgroups I mentioned earlier.

If you assume that I'm legit based on the lack of a hammer, then as long as we lynch scum today, we should auto-win.

If we lynch VitR as scum, I will block Klebian. I think this would necessarily force no kill, whether Klebs or Dahen is scum. Klebian would be lynched Day 8. If he's scum, game over. If he's not scum, I block Dahen. Dahen gets lynched as scum D9.

If we lynch Klebian as scum, I block VitaminR tonight. Again, I think this would necessarily force no kill. we lynch VitR as scum on D8. If he's scum, we win. If he's town, we lynch Fritzler as scum on D9.



So basically, PJ, I want to make sure we lynch scum today, because we win. If it's Kleb/VitR, it doesn't matter. If it's Kleb/Fritz or VitR/Dahen, we need to get this right.

[Glork]

By the way, tickets for the Glork and PJ Show (or was it PJ and Glork?) are once again for sale.

[petroleumjelly]

Lack of a hammer when I could unvote at any time (and when you would likely be expecting a quick unvote) doesn't mean anything. You literally had a time-frame of less than a minute, and that was only if you were paying perfect attention. *rolls eyes*

Where did Dahen go in your calculations?

[Glork]

But I demonstrated that I was paying attention, and I made a post explicitly stating that I was not hammering. I think "

Vote: Klebian

" (which really could have been shortened to "

vote klebian

" if I were scum going for the kill/win) takes as little time to type as "No hammer yet." I realized that you were probably testing me, and I wanted to make a post saying that I'm not hammering so that hopefully we could actually work together and just get it right here and now. My goal was to put the issue of me being scum to rest, not to muddy it further.

So no, I'm not "cleared" until you say I'm "cleared," but I was

trying

to make things a lot less screwed up for the both of us.


Kleb/Dahen doesn't make as much sense to me anymore because Dahen could have jumped ship and hammered VitR if he and Klebs were scum by now. He's had more than enough time, and I made it pretty clear that I'm very undecided about who to block if VitR were lynched as town. I would expect Kleb/Dahen to risk it at that point rather than risk the lynch. Dahen/VitR is still one of the possibilities I have listed.