Mafia 88- Return to New Catania- Game Over!

[Xylthixlm]

EBWOP:

vote: Der Hammer

[Xtoxm]

I could say the same about you.

[Ectomancer]

You guys had your chance for my Der Hammer vote yesterday. My view of the optimal play now is to leave him be and try to eliminate the scum before we need to fear the BoogeyMiller. If we get to the point where we are wetting our pants, we can weigh our options then.

[Claus]

Hey guys! Interesting discussion.

Ectomancer:

Thanks for the support, and indeed the discussion is quite entertaining.

By the way, is there anything you suspect militant about, besides the hammer and 1086?

Tubby:

Why don't you like OGML? (if you have posted it before, please write it again) - Do you think he is best or worse than DH at this moment?

How much scummy is Xyl compared to OGML and DH?

Volkann

So, with Putaputa (me) going down, and DH going up, your Suspicion list is basically Sensfan, IAUN and DH, right? What are your suspicions regarding IAUN and Sensfan? How do they rank against DH?

Also, what do you think about Tubby? Is he still a solid 50? Anyone else who moved away from the neutral territory for you?

Yosarian2

So you suspect tubby.

What gets me is, all the time, you keep saying that you find Tubby scummy, still after his wagon died, you don't seem to pressure him, or try to convince other people to vote for him, or question him, or anything. If you think tubby is scum, what is your strategy for getting the town rid of this menace? And who do you think are his partners?

Also, what do you think about the lurkers in this game? Sens, Natirasha, Skitzer? (and any others you'd like to add to this class) Is any of them worth lynching?


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Sorry, I ran out of time, I will ask more questions to other players when I get back next.

[vollkan]

@Claus:

My suspicion of Sens comes from the early stuff I deal with in my first post; specifically his attack on Hoopla for the no lynch vote, and on other people for their tolerant response to it. The trouble here is that Sens has basically lurked all game. I'm uncomfortable judging him based on that early content which, whilst scummy, is effectively too small of a "sample space" (for want of better phrasing)

My Sobe suspicion began with the same issue as my Sens suspicion - although Sobe flatly contradicted himself by shifting position on NL. Additionally, there was a vote for BM later that ignored BM's main point, and a set of posts focussing on specific lurkers in isolation (DH and Shanba); the shanba one especially so because his accusation against Shanba was completely untrue

Against DH, I'd say Sobe and DH are relatively equal. Sensfan lower.

As for Tubby, he has elevated slightly, especially given the hypocrisy of attacking DH for being useless.

[Der Hammer]

Hey, I have had some pretty galling personal problems since Jan 6th, but nothing life threatening to anyone, just something I need to get on with.

For that reason I have requested replacements in my other games, but I am happy to play on in this one. I'm just finding it hard to collect all my thoughts in one place so you will have to bare with me.

I will come back soonish and speculate on what I think of the first day, and the lynch and kills.

Cheers,
Your Miller
Der Hammer

[tubby216]

Tubby:

Why don't you like OGML? (if you have posted it before, please write it again) - Do you think he is best or worse than DH at this moment?

How much scummy is Xyl compared to OGML and DH?

On OGML, here is a quote wich outline the basic case:

Ok so upon re-read and a little incentive due to OMUGUS here’s my case on OGML

Page 10

Yos starts his lurker hunt,, good Idea I would do it too the imediatley after OGML says this

i am supremely disturbed by yos' lurkerhunt

Then I said this,,

@ yos
i have posted i have been reading i have nothing of substance to post, untill something pops up that i need to adress i prefer to stay out of the way

the ogml says this

^^^ Now THERE'S a lurker who warrants some real pressure

,,, odd huh just a a lil while ago he was all happy with the “scum” he found and lurkers to be of little or no consequence now he is pressuring me??? How odd

Then right after Seraphim,Hoopla, and SensFan vote for me right after another with little or no comment,, I find that odd as well then Yos come in with this a good case post #246
Next is militant with post 248 nice work

Then ogml has this to say

Unvote, Vote: Tubby

This bandwagon has some legs.

you wanna explain what happened to the scum you found?? I mean seriously what the hell

granted i diddn't notice but militant already made this same case,, wich you OGML have refused to answer ,, hoopla even unvoted and voted you wanting to know the case on SIR T and yet you refuse cause you seem to think it is far better to lynch me on policy then spend time hunting scum??? seriously what the hell??

so here is what i think:
townies,, Yos, BM, Hoopla, Militant, ecto, and tubby

null- sensfan, curios karmadog,farside22, sir t,incognito,natarisha

anti town, ogml,seraphim, puta,killa seven


so there is my thoughts

That’s where I first btought it up,, But puta was still lurkin and bein an ass so my vote went to puta,,,

Then after the v/la OGML comes in and says this

There isn't much to report on pages 15 and 16 except Tubby has stopped lurking and is looking sane again.

Putta Putta, well... that is the sort of D1 bandwagon, which inevitably takes place in almost every game I play, and I am always uncomfortable with it, and I always announce, that I think that person is town, so let's get this out of the way:

I think Putta Putta is giving out null tells at the moment. The reasoning being, I don't see either town OR scum playing the way Putta Putta is playing at the moment. Horrible play. Has anyone played before with Putta? Is this normal for him (her?)?

This?? This is how you tie me to Sir T? come on the only thing connecting me to Sir T is that there is nothing to connect us together,,
So my question to you is, Grasp at straws much??

Unvote, Vote: tubby216

K7 gets a meta pass from me for lurking, for now.

Tubby seems to have tried to scare people off his wagon with this weirdly vague softclaim-type thing, which was really scummy but got swamped by gimbo puta's shenanigans.

Did I used to date your sister?? What’s with all the hate??

As far as I can tell puta puta aka gimbo just got wagoned to a claim in every game he was in and claimed some kind of town power. He's a dick. Guess we'll need to hear from his replacement, but he still looks like a good lynch, or at least righteous vig material.

Reading up today.

Really are you trying to be sarcastic or did you get confused,, PP the waste of space claimed cop, so he looks like a good lynch? Or even vig kill material, how you figure?? Atleast wait until we hear from his replacement,, impatient much??

So congradulation OGML you have won my vote,

vote OGML

oh yah and answer farside too while your at it,

BM, Xyl thoughts??

And as far as xyl goes I haven’t fineshed with the other games he sited but he is climbing up my list,

As far as der hammer goes, his time for lynching has past if we were going to lynch him we should have done so yesterday now is not the time to disscuss it

[Xylthixlm]

That sounds awfully like "We needed to either lynch Der Hammer yesterday or give him a free pass forever".

[Shanba]

Yeah, the depth of bullshit in that sentiment was already clearly expressed by Yosarian.

Elmo, could you please explain the xyl case to me? I don't get it.

[tubby216]

That sounds awfully like "We needed to either lynch Der Hammer yesterday or give him a free pass forever".

see this gets me a lil heated.

I asked these same questions yesterday tward the end of the day. but everyone was so sure that seraphim was scum that they got passed over or half answered.

i said i did not want the der hammer thing to continue to come up day after day like it is today, and i believe xyl even agreed with me on that.

but i figured day two in a game of this size is not the day to worry about a miller who barely posts much anyway,

[Xtoxm]

That sounds awfully like "We needed to either lynch Der Hammer yesterday or give him a free pass forever".

see this gets me a lil heated.

I asked these same questions yesterday tward the end of the day. but everyone was so sure that seraphim was scum that they got passed over or half answered.

i said i did not want the der hammer thing to continue to come up day after day like it is today, and i believe xyl even agreed with me on that.

but i figured day two in a game of this size is not the day to worry about a miller who barely posts much anyway,

I voted Sera because Sera>DH>NL. I don't see why people feel the need to look at DH any differently than anyone else. Last time I was in a game with a Miller who claimed in his first post, no even brought up the idea of lynching him...

[Xtoxm]

*No one

[Elmo]

I'm uncomfortable judging him based on that early content which, whilst scummy, is effectively too small of a "sample space" (for want of better phrasing)

vollkan you scumbucket I demand you answer my question about your list immediately!!!! stop agvoidning my questions!!!!!!!!!!!!\

p.s. why is iam scyummy?
p.p.s. did you not do another list yet or did I miss it? not like this game needs one... 50 lurking 50 lurking 50 lurking 50 lurking 50 lurking 50 lurking 50 lurking 50 lurking etc.

[Yosarian2]

Yosarian2

So you suspect tubby.

What gets me is, all the time, you keep saying that you find Tubby scummy, still after his wagon died, you don't seem to pressure him, or try to convince other people to vote for him, or question him, or anything. If you think tubby is scum, what is your strategy for getting the town rid of this menace?

(shrug) I made my case yesterday, in full. I could pound the table, put pressure on him, and probably could get a bandwagon started on him again now; to be honest, I haven't bothered to do so yet because I tend to think it's mostly pointless at the moment, since we're probably going to end up lynching based on your (I assume guilty) cop result anyway today. Creating a bandwagon now would be basically meaningless, since everyone knows it's worthless and, if he is scum, would just give a chance for his scumbuddies to distance with little to no incresed risk of him actually getting lynched.

I like the idea of everyone putting down, now, who they think is guilty and everything before you claim, but you should realize that when you claimed at the start of the day, you basically ensured that that a normal day wouldn't actually happen.

[Claus]

I like the idea of everyone putting down, now, who they think is guilty and everything before you claim, but you should realize that when you claimed at the start of the day, you basically ensured that that a normal day wouldn't actually happen.

Oh, I agree.

Still, funny that you say you like the idea. Your "Oh, I suspect tubby. Same reasons as yesterday - no other opinions about the game, no sirre." Seems to go straight against it.

So you suspect tubby, and no one else, and still you haven't bothered thinking who would be possible partners to him? No opinions about the lurkers you love to hunt so much?

[Xylthixlm]

Question: Does Xtoxm always play like this?

[Xtoxm]

Oh? What do you mean by "this"?

[The Fonz]

Votecount:

Xylthixlm (2): Elmo,Xtoxm, OhGodMyLife
curiouskarmadog (2): Shanba, Iamausername
Der Hammer (1): Xylthixlm
militant (1): Ectomancer

Not voting: Claus, (curiouskarmadog), Der Hammer, (Natirasha), vollkan, Hoopla, magisterrain, Yosarian2, militant, tubby216, skitzer, (farside22), SensFan

With 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Looking for replacements for, in order of replacement request, farside, Natirasha, and CKD. Prods will go out to anyone who hasn't posted this game day, tonight.

[Shanba]

Thanks for answering my question, Elmo...

Where the hell

is

BM? There is such a thing as a happy medium, you know! GAH!

Guys, why are we not lynching CKD? Hell, why has no one even responded to my case on him? The only guy who's even mentioned it is someone who was voting CKD for other reasons! Yosarian, your reason for not pushing a case is disturbingly wrong. Waiting for the cop before springing into action is not helpful. Hell, how do you know he has a guilty? He may have an innocent, for all you know, and just claimed that way to get reactions.

I dislike the case on Xyl. It seems to be a case by consensus: A thinks xyl is scummy, says so, B agrees, C mentions a scummy post, suddenly there's a wagon. Yet, I don't read him as scummy at all, so this whole thing bemuses me. So tell me. What is the case on Xyl?

[iamausername]

Where the hell

is

BM? There is such a thing as a happy medium, you know! GAH!

Wasn't he replaced? I'm sure I remember this happening.

[iamausername]

EBWOP, here we go:

Elmo is tempreplacing BM until the end of the day.

And Elmo still appears to be posting, so...

[Shanba]

I apologise, I read the first page and it hadn't been updated. Is Elmo sticking around, then? I have no qualms with him doing that, if all parties concerned are happy with it.

[Elmo]

My impression is that BM replaced out permanantly. I said I would replace in, temporarily, so that Fonz had someone in the role while he was looking for a replacement. I then changed my mind and said I'd play as long as I felt I could, and then I'd drop out and ask for replacement when "I'd had enough".

Basically the 'temp' part is that I didn't agree to be a permanant replacement, but I figured it was better than nothing. So basically you're stuck with me for a bit, yea.

Shanba I saw your Q, I haven't actually gone back and reread enough to build a case yet, I just have several random things kicking around in my head that I don't like about him right now. Cases are boring. I think wagons of consensus are win though, ^5 OGML.

[OhGodMyLife]

Cases are boring. I think wagons of consensus are win though, ^5 OGML.

I agree with Elmo. ^5

Shanba, do you think I am player A, B or C in your description of the budding Xyl wagon?

[Xylthixlm]

Shanba, the scummiest thing I see on CKD is that he keeps doing "I'll read later" posts.

CKD, what's your opinion on SensFan?