I see no pros to Mufasa's neighbour claiming, at this point.VP Baltar wrote:I disagree with this. Often times scum would say they have a "gut" town read on their partners because they can't really be called for defending them outright. I don't get the first part of what you are saying at all, why would she be pushing for his lynch if she said she had a town read on him?Faraday wrote:I don't think Ckool is mafia with Zazie, she said he was town, but didn't seem too concerned about him getting lynched, perhaps wanting to make herself look good if he came up town? Also note it was her "gut" that told her ckool was town, this leaves loads of wiggle room to switch her opinions.
Neighbors are indeed unconfirmed masons. I'm currently weighing out the pros and cons of Mufasa's neighbor claiming.
Well yeh, there are loads of posibillites as to why someone would do anything. But I thought what I suggested was most likely, given the way it played out. I mean there are loads of posibillites as to why people do everything.ckd wrote:t;]interesting comment. I am not sure how you are making this judgment. There are thousands of possibilities as to why someone might do something. To right someone off just because of what you have stated thus far seems off.Faraday wrote:
I don't think Ckool is mafia with Zazie, she said he was town, but didn't seem too concerned about him getting lynched, perhaps wanting to make herself look good if he came up town? Also note it was her "gut" that told her ckool was town, this leaves loads of wiggle room to switch her opinions.
Care to elaborate on the points that you didn't say were true?roflcopter wrote:my comments in bold. this still looks like a lurker hunt when you could be going after mastin, who you've already admitted you find scummy.Kmd4390 wrote:Rofl, more organized version of my case that I found by viewing my own posts:
-lurkedtrue
-only went after easy targetsfalse
-predetermined who was votable a little earlyyour opinion
-Declared Khan town on next to nothing, very early in the gamewrong
-buddies to Khan by giving him and award for "knowing what to do".wrong
-Wrong on Mastin's vote. He called it OMGUS, not a policy miller vote.wrong
-Takes the easy Mastin vote, apparently knowing his metawrong
-Comment on the NKwhat about it
-threatened to vote MM over asking for reasons for your votewhat about it
sure, just pretend those points are numberedWickedestjr wrote:Care to elaborate on the points that you didn't say were true?roflcopter wrote:my comments in bold. this still looks like a lurker hunt when you could be going after mastin, who you've already admitted you find scummy.Kmd4390 wrote:Rofl, more organized version of my case that I found by viewing my own posts:
-lurkedtrue
-only went after easy targetsfalse
-predetermined who was votable a little earlyyour opinion
-Declared Khan town on next to nothing, very early in the gamewrong
-buddies to Khan by giving him and award for "knowing what to do".wrong
-Wrong on Mastin's vote. He called it OMGUS, not a policy miller vote.wrong
-Takes the easy Mastin vote, apparently knowing his metawrong
-Comment on the NKwhat about it
-threatened to vote MM over asking for reasons for your votewhat about it
Lowell is getting off because of meta?SerialClergyman wrote:it's about time we looked at people like rofl, empking's alt, lowell etc who are coasting without much in the way of suspicion based on meta.
2-Hayker couldn't be more obvtown, but is newer and bound to slip up a little. Mastin could very well be scum, but he's not exactly a hard case to push. I'll lay off about Mastin though because I do see him as possible scum.roflcopter wrote: sure, just pretend those points are numbered
1 is true, i lurked
2 is false, my targets weren't "easy" they were scummy. and you can hardly call going after hayker and mastin easy now that kmd is riding my case about it. almost makes them seem like they're all connected.
3 is completely subjective. "a little early" is a pile of crap when it comes to calling something scummy. it is 100% kmd's opinion, not fact.
4 again with the "early in the game" bullshit. and i didn't declare him town on "next to nothing," i gave a very detailed explanation for why i was declaring him town.
5 kmd seems to be simultaneously arguing that i shouldn't have declared khan town, while saying that i'm buddying to him, an action which would only be scummy ifkhan is town. pick a side ass hat.
6 actually i don't even remember what this one is referring to in particular, but its obviously a backhanded defense of mastin again. mastin was doing exactly what zazie was doing yesterday, going after the claimed miller and ignoring most everything else. look what zazie flipped.
7 again, what about it?
8 again, what about it?
so there you go. now lets all sing kumbaya together while we lynch mastin.
people are free to disagree, but you listing what is a difference in our opinions as a reason for why i'm scum is foolhardykmd wrote:3-people can agree or disagree with opinions, no?
see the above theory, and again you're using your opinion like its a fact, and like it makes me scummy for not agreeing with you about itkmd wrote:4-Still way too early to say he's gotta be town. And Zazie would distance knowing that no one else is agreeing. I do think Khan is town, but he is FAR from being confirmed in any way like you are treating him.
he's town.kmd wrote:5-Or he could be scum, but not with you. Learn the sides "ass hat".
explain pleasekmd wrote:6-But your vote at the time looked more like a playstyle vote.
prove pleasekmd wrote:7-It's scummy
8-It's scummy
Are you acting cautiously in this game?ckool5000 wrote:Well, I'd say the first game, because I was trying to... trying to... how did lowell say it?... Oh, yeah, trying too hard to be loved by all, and because I kept saying things that later made me want to open mouth, insert foot.ZazieR wrote:Ckool, the way you are playing this game, with which of the two previous games of yours can you see the most similarities and why?
But in the second game, I was more cautious because of what happened in the first...
But yeah, I'd have to say the first.
Hmm. I can follow that logic. But the town perspective is that you don't want to "clear" scum, so you do everything you can to question someone being confirmed before you treat them as such.roflcopter wrote:i have this theory about the game of mafia. the town wins not by identifying all the scum, but by identifying enough town to drown the scum in confirmations. if a large enough proportion of the town agrees on one player being town, the scum are forced to deal with that player in a way they would deal with a cop-cleared player. this is why scum always fight so hard against people agreeing with one another over who is town, and why they will always argue against clearing someone. its like a supertell.
Well, scum going after easy targets is a tell. It's opinion who those easy targets are. I happen to think your targets are the easy ones.rofl wrote:people are free to disagree, but you listing what is a difference in our opinions as a reason for why i'm scum is foolhardykmd wrote:3-people can agree or disagree with opinions, no?
No, my opinion is that Khan is town. I just think you're a little quick to "clear" him.rofl wrote:see the above theory, and again you're using your opinion like its a fact, and like it makes me scummy for not agreeing with you about itkmd wrote:4-Still way too early to say he's gotta be town. And Zazie would distance knowing that no one else is agreeing. I do think Khan is town, but he is FAR from being confirmed in any way like you are treating him.
Maybe.rofl wrote:he's town.kmd wrote:5-Or he could be scum, but not with you. Learn the sides "ass hat".
Sure. This was your first post of the game:Rofl wrote:explain pleasekmd wrote:6-But your vote at the time looked more like a playstyle vote.
Ignoring that you call Khan town immediately and the comment on EK, you voted Mastin. You said he "needs a new start-the-game-up gag" and that heroflcopter wrote:kublai khan is town, and wins the common sense award for knowing what to do as a miller
mastin needs a new start-the-game-up gag. mastin has also committed a real scumtell, policy voting the guy who claimed miller in his first post.
vote: mastinfor great justice
whoever killed elvis has earned my eternal ire and i miss her already
prove please[/quote]kmd wrote:7-It's scummy
8-It's scummy
Gut. I'll push a real case when I have one. Rofl, ckool, and maybe Mastin are all scummier than you.Wickedestjr wrote: @Kmd - Can you explain how you got a scum read from me?
or its a "someone who was doing something i said all along was scummy (policy voting the claimed miller) turned out to be scum" comment. but confirmation bias seems to be your friend today.kmd wrote:Commenting on the NK is almost a subconscious "I have no idea what happened" after knowing that you (or your buddies) submitted that kill.
and something that turned out to be unproductive is scummy why exactly?kmd wrote:Threatening MM wasn't productive at all.
then you are seriously reaching for any little thing i've done to call scummy. ek and i have a friendly relationship. i bemoaned the fact that my friend had been killed night zero and i would not get the opportunity to play with her.kmd wrote:I was referring to the EK kill.
i don't recall ever trying to badger mafiamann into voting with me, but if i did, he and you and everyone else should grow a pair and get over it.kmd wrote:I don't see how you can honestly think it's not scummy to threaten someone to vote how you want. If I were to say "Wicked, I'm voting you if you don't vote rofl in your next post", would that not be scummy?
having just skimmed his contribution, scum. if this mastin wagon doesn't work out i'll switch, but mastin is a higher priority. he's got the rb claim shenanigans that he's continuing to push crap theories based on.VP Baltar wrote:rofl, at this point, do you feel ckool is scum or town?
what is this previous experience?Faraday wrote:Well yeh, there are loads of posibillites as to why someone would do anything. But I thought what I suggested was most likely, given the way it played out. I mean there are loads of posibillites as to why people do everything.ckd wrote:t;]interesting comment. I am not sure how you are making this judgment. There are thousands of possibilities as to why someone might do something. To right someone off just because of what you have stated thus far seems off.Faraday wrote:
I don't think Ckool is mafia with Zazie, she said he was town, but didn't seem too concerned about him getting lynched, perhaps wanting to make herself look good if he came up town? Also note it was her "gut" that told her ckool was town, this leaves loads of wiggle room to switch her opinions.
I'm not writing him off, just because of this either, I thought Ckool seemed town based on my previous experience of playing with him.
Also weekend, so I'll have little time to post.
Didn't know that.roflcopter wrote:then you are seriously reaching for any little thing i've done to call scummy. ek and i have a friendly relationship. i bemoaned the fact that my friend had been killed night zero and i would not get the opportunity to play with her.kmd wrote:I was referring to the EK kill.
Or you could let townies think for themselves.Rofl wrote:i don't recall ever trying to badger mafiamann into voting with me, but if i did, he and you and everyone else should grow a pair and get over it.kmd wrote:I don't see how you can honestly think it's not scummy to threaten someone to vote how you want. If I were to say "Wicked, I'm voting you if you don't vote rofl in your next post", would that not be scummy?
Why?Asshat wrote:oh, and you should be voting for mastin. hop on that.
yes. his continued insistence that he's blocked some fantasy fourth kill source both nights means that a) he's almost certainly not town and b) if he is town, he's only going to detrimentally lead us on wild goose chasesVP Baltar wrote:I would tend to agree with that theory, but is it worth risking a potential town PR this early in the game?
i prefer badgering scum into voting for their partners, as i'm attempting to do to you right now.kmd wrote:Or you could let townies think for themselves.