Chuck Season 1 - GAME OVER

[Mastermind of Sin]

Why couldn't RC/Magua been killed by the Mafia?

See my previous posts. Why would a town vig kill confirmed town Ooba? Additionally, if Ooba was a vig kill, why would the mafia kill Magua, who was very high on the suspect list, especially with Dana flipping mafia as well?

[mikeburnfire]

Hai guyz, derp de derp

Interesting.

So his full claim won't make him any more or less of a priority target because a Vig is already a BIG thing.

So is a cop. And yet, Ant remains alive.

However, I am NOT comfortable with a three power role,

More assumptions.

and very much believe he owes us a full claim at this stage as he's already gone this far,

I owe you nothing.

How about you vote him too, and we'll get a claim out of him, yeah?

Hmmn. Nope.

[Empking]

Vote: MBF

[mikeburnfire]

Thank you.

Hey, where's C_D?

[Mastermind of Sin]

chaotic_diablo? >_>

Also, my V/LA officially starts like now. I'm leaving soon.

[xRECKONERx]

Mastermind of Sin (1): mikeburnfire
PeregrineV (1): Ant_to_the_max
ChannelDelibird (2): PeregrineV, Mastermind of Sin
Thor665 (1): Ragnarokio
mikeburnfire (2): Thor665, Empking

Not voting: ChannelDelibird

Notes:
Ant_to_the_max has limited access until June 25th.
Mastermind of Sin is V/LA until June 12th.
Force-replacing CDB for inactivity.
With

8

alive it takes

5

to lynch!
Deadline is in (expired on 2011-06-20 01:00:00).

[xRECKONERx]

dramonic replaces CDB. Thanks dram!

[dramonic]

No problem!
reading up.

[Thor665]

Thank gawd.

@Rag - Yes. Do you see a pro-town angle to him playing coy with what his role powers may/may not be at this stage? If you do, fill me in. He can't be trying to draw a kill *more* and there's no point in trying to draw a kill less. Maybe I'm just dumb - you should clue me in.

[dramonic]

...
I'm gonna assume nobody is really buying into MBF not being a serial killer.

MoS and Rag are most probably town, as is ant. we can assume from there that Emp is prob town as he's been investigated.

That leaves Thor and PeregrineV as the mafia.

Unvote
Vote: PeregrineV

My oh my, what a difficult resolution <_<

[Thor665]

@dram - other than Rag I think you're spot on with MBF and people's opinions of him (I hope)

Somewhere in your conclusions you gakked up pretty bad though, because I'm not scum.
Check your alignment in your PM again and get back to me.

[Mastermind of Sin]

...
I'm gonna assume nobody is really buying into MBF not being a serial killer.

MoS and Rag are most probably town, as is ant. we can assume from there that Emp is prob town as he's been investigated.

That leaves Thor and PeregrineV as the mafia.

Unvote
Vote: PeregrineV

My oh my, what a difficult resolution <_<

dram, if MBF is obvSK and you've only gotten the mafia down to Thor/Pere by marking two other people as "probably town", why are you not voting to lynch MBF? Seems like you're taking a risk you don't need to.

[mikeburnfire]

Do you see a pro-town angle to him playing coy with what his role powers may/may not be at this stage?

I know exactly what all my powers are. You do not. Therefore, you do not have the ability to judge whether or not a full reveal is good for the town like I do.

If we all mass claim, I'll clue you in. Until then, back off.

[Thor665]

We could also take you up to L-1, yeah? Request a full claim, play that fun game. I think I can do it.

@dram - yo, let's help the SK dig a deeper hole, take him to L-1 for claim demand - I promise cookies once we get there.

[dramonic]

Technically since all three are scum it doesn't matter, but i can understand how from an outside perspective you'd think there's a risk.
Actually there's one, that that Emp is a gf.

Unvote
Vote: mikeburnfire

[PeregrineV]

So, now MBF is SK and not vig? How was that determined?
And Rag is the town neighbor to the SK?
Or Rag is the mafia neighbor to the SK?

@Dramonic-Using your logic, since I'm town, that would leave you and Thor as mafia, which Thor denies. See how that works?

And you actually popped in and voted the guy voting you that hasn't claimed a PR. While convienent for you, it doesn't change the CDB vibes you inherited.

What are your thoughts based on how the players have played, in addition to their claims?

[Empking]

Peregrine, you're pretty much the only player left that can get MBF up to L-1. Even if you disagree with it its still worth it to stop the game from stalling.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, you're pretty much the only player left that can get MBF up to L-1. Even if you disagree with it its still worth it to stop the game from stalling.

Fine, but no hammers. There's a lot to figure out, and I don't want MBF making a post someone disagrees with and they lynch him right away.

Unvote.
Vote: MBF

@MBF-Please claim all relevant knowledge you have.

[Ragnarokio]

Thank gawd.

@Rag - Yes. Do you see a pro-town angle to him playing coy with what his role powers may/may not be at this stage? If you do, fill me in. He can't be trying to draw a kill *more* and there's no point in trying to draw a kill less. Maybe I'm just dumb - you should clue me in.

Claiming power roles out of nowhere and doing things to drag more attention to you is not ideal play as scum. It makes people want to lynch you, it opens up the possibility of a counterclaim, and is generally just a move that has lots of drawbacks and very little rewards. If MBF was scum, he should have stayed in the background, it didn't look like anyone thought him significantly suspicious anyway. He would have almost certainly survived til' endgame, with people like me and CDB in front of him.

Anyone pushing MBF on the basis that he might be scum is being ridiculous.

Anyone pushing MBF to get at the information he's witholding is still being ridiculous. MBF knows what information he's witholding. He says that the information would hurt the town if he released it. What reason do you think he'd have for lying? Incompetence? He KNOWS what information he has. you don't, he actually has the ability to judge it's effect on the game upon release, where as you don't.

[Ragnarokio]

People should unvote.

[dramonic]

@Dramonic-Using your logic, since I'm town, that would leave you and Thor as mafia, which Thor denies. See how that works?

Yes
your point?

@Rag: Give me one good reason to want to keep MBF alive.
Just one.

[Ragnarokio]

It's INCREDIBLY unlikely for MBF to be scum.

[dramonic]

I know, he's a SK.
Not a reason I want him alive.

[Ragnarokio]

I was including serial killer in the scum rink.

[dramonic]

Why is he more likely to be a vig than a sk?
SEKRIT INFO?