emptyger wrote:1) You go from “obvtown” to “gut for meta reasons that only you have”.
2) I’m leery that you apparently need me to point out the logical fallacy here. (Consider the following analogy: “Juls hasn’t been eaten by giant purple alligators in your many recent games. Juls was town in your many recent games. Therefore, since Juls hasn’t been eaten by giant purple alligators in this game, she’s town in this game!”)
3) More seriously, you’re implying that if Juls were mafia, she’d stupidly behave so obviously differently that you’d be able to catch her? That’s almost implausibly absurd thinking on your part.
4) I’m rather dubious that there’s a precedent that explains Juls behavior here. She seemed to be trying as hard as she did anything up until that point to get the day to end before Santos spoke (once ignoring my directly pointing out that we were still waiting on Santos). Then she tried to convince him to drop his argument. And she abandons the very principle she was arguing to do the very thing she is allegedly arguing against.
For those of us who haven’t played a lot of games recently with Juls and you, can you provide any specifics of what is so telling to you?
What you are essentially describing above is what meta is...I don't understand what makes you so uncomfortable about it. Having played a couple games in a row with Juls, I have noticed a few different aspects that seem indicative to her being town. These elements seem to be present in this game, and so that is reassuring to me. Now, going off of your analogy, yes, she could be faking these things and fooling me. However, I would argue that the things I am looking at might be difficult to fake (not that they are impossible). Her suspicions have also been close to mine throughout the game, so that makes me feel better as well given that I know I am town.
Her not being around as often as normal complicates this, obviously, but there is little that can be done with that since she has school.
Yes, the Santos thing looks sort of bad and I noted it as well, but several members of the town (yourself included iirc) looked awful at the beginning of the day to me because they wanted to lynch Reckoner with almost no discussion whatsoever. That may or may not have been a royal mistake, but given the revelations this day has brought I am glad that I went out of my way to stop it.
I dont' appreciate you trying to say I changed my position on Juls from "obv town" to something lesser for meta reasons. Juls looks obvtown to me right now, but I never said that had to apply to someone else's read. I was stating that I would not be supporting her (or zone's) lynch today, and as far as I am aware I'm entitled to my own opinion on the matter.
Welcome back, CDB! I like your 1099. I'm not as big of a fan of:
The "wager" with VPB is bizarre. I can't see much reason to do it as either town or scum, so I'm just going to write it off as one of CKD's eccentricities and ask him to drop it.
Which looks a bit like coaching. What is your read on ckd at this moment? Do you think he is more likely to be town or scum (based on his overall play, not just the spaz attack)?
Happy Scumday, Porochaz!
