Mini 1640: Persona 3 FES Mafia - Game Over

[BRantz]

I said you didn't have a gun because that is what I was told. You still should have list because you screwed up by claiming fuuka. N_M straight up told everyone that the scum had all if the unused characters as fakeclaims. There is no way in hell kelbris would ever have claimed a role that wasn't a safe claim. FML I pinned all 3 scum by the end of day two and was done in by a false negative

[Hiraki]

are you mad

[BRantz]

Naw a little depressed. But not mad. You played very well Hiraki.

[BRantz]

Gama made a good point in the dead thread. Town quick lynched 3 times after prawn's death. That isn't really a good way to figure anything out.

[prawneater]

Thanks for the carry Hiraki. Very well played.

[kelbris]

gg everyone, honestly I expected Hiraki to be lynched after dram made that post of his about Hiraki and me claiming the same person. I guess you did not notice am i right Andrius? Also, sorry to my fellow scumplayers about f**king up so badly. A. was my first scum game ever and B. when I claimed cop I fell there because I was unsure how a cop normally plays in a game (never been in a game with a cop before).

Lastly, I told you that Nyx would come, didn't 1? jk

[Gammagooey]

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Gunsmith

Members of the Mafia

(that are not Doctors)

, Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.
Using these guidelines, Gunsmiths are considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

The obvious counter point is those roles have guns in traditional flavour, but maybe not here.

scum flips were 2 of the 3 members of strega, with the last being chidori who wears an all-white outfit and heals flowers and people. And iece had already pointed out that this game was only using normal roles.

town had all the clues they needed to figure out that the last scum in the game was effectively a godfather, they just quicklynched and hoped that the next lynch would be scum instead of actually trying to figure anything out.

Fakegod I'm honestly disgusted at your play here and so goddamn tired of people like you who play as if you're infallible and blame everyone else when something turns out poorly. I think you're actually a good mod but acting like you're in the right here and in the dead topic by picking out the individual posts when you were voting scum and not voting nexus and ignoring everything else that you've done, ESPECIALLY you attempting to turn the game into an incorrect 1v1 day 2 and making the game miserably unfun in the process, is one of the most egotistic things I've seen on the site in years.

[kelbris]

the d2 1v1 was fun for me though, until I got lynched that is.

[Gammagooey]

hiraki you did play well aside from accidentally claiming fuuka- I talked about it a little in the dead QT but you were really good at avoiding attention but seeming active by talking mostly about game fluff, and buddying up to andrius like you did ultimately won you the game.

kelbris you survived to day 2 at least For me the most important thing to try to keep doing while scum is actually attacking people like you genuinely think they're scum. It's a little riskier early game because it will draw attention to you but without it you'll usually eventually get caught for not scumhunting.

Brantz was amazing and if he hadn't investigated hiraki then he might have pretty much single-handedly won the game for town.

gg scums!

[dramonic]

Andy.
You are dumb :/

[dramonic]

I guess I had better claim, I am Fuka, my role is a cop.

For a moment I got paranoid and excited because you didn't react when that happened.
But then I realized you didn't post at all =/

Now I'm sad.

vote: Seo

vote: accelerated night

heh

[Iecerint]

Why is fakegod ded
Why
Whyyyy

[Iecerint]

I guess I had better claim, I am Fuka, my role is a cop.

For a moment I got paranoid and excited because you didn't react when that happened.
But then I realized you didn't post at all =/

Now I'm sad.

vote: Seo

vote: accelerated night

[Iecerint]

I don't know if I would have seriously considered both miller and gunsmith-godfather, though. I might have even inferred that Kelbris had claimed totally at random.

[Hiraki]

i wouldn't have screwed that up if someone (no names) had claimed fuUka rather than fuka

its ok though, i forgive you

[Andrius]

I dropped the ball, and realized so at work. But it was done. I played badly after D2, my apologies.

Was fun to play with you though, esp. Gamma and Hiraki (its been so long)!

Ty notmafia!


Yukariiiiii

[Seohyun]

I guess I had better claim, I am Fuka, my role is a cop.

For a moment I got paranoid and excited because you didn't react when that happened.
But then I realized you didn't post at all =/

Now I'm sad.

vote: Seo

vote: accelerated night

heh

pretty much everyone in the dead thread was like oh shit dram u got this haha

thanks nm, setup was cool

[hi im Yakko]

gg wp

[dramonic]

FWIW (not much), I woulda voted Hiraki.
Then Andy woulda hammered me.
THIS GAME WAS NOT WINNABLE :<

[FakeGod]

I had a long chat with Gamma just now, and I'm going to apologize to him and any others that I offended for my behavior.

Gamma should have sent me a private message instead of writing such a post in the public forum, but I do see why he would be so inclined to make such a post, after our chat. Not everything is being about right, and although that quality is certainly very dear to my heart, I do agree that there was no point in actions such as calling Gamma out for his defense on prawn slot d1 in the dead thread, other than to place blame on him. I do think that I try to make amends when I recognize that I was wrong, such as when I apologized to Gamma shortly before his death when it became evident that kelbris was going to flip scum. Gamma also said that I focused too much on my own thoughts to the exclusion of the others. I do think that I played with an open mind; I reversed many of my reads throughout the game (i.e. dram, Andrius to name some of my biggest read reversals), but perhaps I have still much to learn before I can be truly called flexible. Gamma has asked me to avoid him in future games, and I will honor his request.

I do not blame the loss on any single player. I do think that the setup was heavily scum-sided, and that the game was lost when our gunsmith claimed innocent on Hiraki. You may disagree with me on this point based on the flavor hiccup Hiraki made. I would not know, since my P3 FES flavor knowledge isn't very strong. Because JK-Cop-Miller vs 3 Goons is already a scum-sided setup, based on the flipped powers, I do not think there were any reasons to distrust our gunsmith inno, especially given that there already was an alignment-subverting role (FBI agent) that was flipped. Perhaps my expectations of game balance is set too high, or it may be that I rely too much on game mechanics to narrow down scum, instead of actual scumhunting, as Gamma said. I earnestly do believe that the inclusion of the godfather, an incredibly strong scum role that heavily punishes town PR for making right decisions, was definitely not called for in this setup, and that our mod did make a mistake in setup balancing.

[FakeGod]

dramonic, please avoid me in future games.

[Iecerint]

Hiraki's error wasn't related to flavor at all -- what happened is that he used a fakeclaim that had already been used by his teammate. No flavor knowledge was necessary to catch it (except to infer that "fuka" and "fuuka" were the same character).

The only reason it might have been perceived not to have confirmed Hiraki as scum would be if one imagined that Kelbris had claimed Fuuka despite it not being her actual fakeclaim. The presence of the gunsmith miller in the set-up also made this relatively likely by decreasing the chance that Hiraki had a role that also subverted the gunsmith.

[FakeGod]

(except to infer that "fuka" and "fuuka" were the same character)

They are the same character?

Damn.

[Iecerint]

Yeah, Kelbris just spelled it wrong.

[Iecerint]

Or I mean I guess they're technically alternate romanizations, but the game uses Fuuka.