Mini 1539 - UDesign (DAY 4)

[Titus]

@Discode, right. Jailor resolves then redirector. So

You jail me.
SC redirects kill from me to Zek.
You obsessed with redirect bc you are concerned more with sb than kill.

There is no second block but a bus driver IMO.

Scum bus target A with Target B.
Redirectors target A, but really wind up moving all people targeting B.

Being the scum jailkeep Discode, you would be aware of this and can put out other theories. You try again.

[Titus]

Regarding neighbors, its a too dangerous play to go there.

There was also a mod error. Without knowing what it was, I cannot know how it fueled his theory. Sudden want to lead players are bad in lylo generally.

[Titus]

Supplement to 1050. SC thinks she redirects from me to Zek but could have hit a bus driver is a possibility as well.

[JacobSavage]

Sorry for absence, RL stuff came up and engulfed me.

Will get to this in about an hour.

[DisCode]

@Discode, right. Jailor resolves then redirector. So

You jail me.
SC redirects kill from me to Zek.
You obsessed with redirect bc you are concerned more with sb than kill.

There is no second block but a bus driver IMO.

Scum bus target A with Target B.
Redirectors target A, but really wind up moving all people targeting B.

Being the scum jailkeep Discode, you would be aware of this and can put out other theories. You try again.

Bzzt, wrong. Redirector then your submitted jailor.
Thanks for this. This is important to see where you stood on SC's argument against Trollie.
I also find it interesting to see how you keep on adding roles which fits your actions, when bus driver should have been claimed right at the start if it was submitted, just like the redirectors. This game was created by the submissions. Not by the mod.

[Venmar]

If a watcher can see a nympho select a person to partner with...then I am not going to be swayed in believing that that action (observable to a watcher) would not have triggered my reflexive neighborizing role and brought you into our neighborhood that night (N1).

That's what Jingle said, this game has proven on so many occasions that it uses different variations of roles, especially from submitted roles. It doesn't really matter to me what sways you either anymore if you were viewing me with false facts to begin with.

[Venmar]

If a watcher can see a nympho select a person to partner with...then I am not going to be swayed in believing that that action (observable to a watcher) would not have triggered my reflexive neighborizing role and brought you into our neighborhood that night (N1).

That's what Jingle said, this game has proven on so many occasions that it uses different variations of roles, especially from submitted roles. It doesn't really matter to me what sways you either anymore if you were viewing me with false facts to begin with.

[Titus]

@Discode, the mod misunderstood what I was claiming then. Day actions cannot be redirected as they are over before the redirector acts. You should know this. Or the mod is saying you don't select your target during the day at all and modified it to where it is not exactly what I submitted.

Also, I am not making up busdriver. Any rdirector submission can be changed into bus driver bc they are both in the same wiki.

Lie more scum.

[Jingle]

Fitz, Unvote now. If Ven is scum, then lynching him also kills a townie and we go into night with even numbers town and scum. WE HAVE TO LYNCH THE LOVER PAIR LAST AND HOPE THAT ONE OF THEM IS SCUM OR WE LOSE.

This is a simple enough concept. Venmar is unlynchable today, regardless of alignment. Also, Nymphomaniac is a role that JS could have taken many liberties with. It does not have its own wiki page and while I was thinking of the implementation in Great Idea, there have been other implementations in the past. I believe Venmar's role is real and his alignment doesn't matter right now. Mod-WIFOM is a bad way to find scum.

@ Dis, there is no deflection portion to my submitted role, but I believe SC claimed to have sent in the bomb portion of Titus's suicide bomber. (the oneshot PGO effect).

[Jingle]

Also, Titus, do you believe there are multiple redirectors and a bus driver?

[havingfitz]

Extremely temporary UNVOTE: .

Venmar...what are the specifics of your claimed deflector role? What does it do?

@Jingle...why no heartburn over Titus' Discode vote?

[JacobSavage]

Votecount 5.1

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Discode [1]

: Titus

Not Voting [6]

: Discode, havingfitz, StrangerCoug, Venmar, Zekrom25, Jingle

With 7 alive it takes

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to lynch[/i]

Deadline on the 8th March at 1000 GMT ((expired on 2014-03-08 10:00:00))

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: DisCode

I'm ready to roll. This makes the most sense.

I believe SC claimed to have sent in the bomb portion of Titus's suicide bomber.

That is correct.

[havingfitz]

@Jingle...why no heartburn over Titus' Discode vote?

And now SC.

So 2 scum reads voting a strong town read. Lovely.

[StrangerCoug]

Good luck convincing everyone your brain is functioning properly, havingfitz. I'm not fazed by your post.

[havingfitz]

I'm not fazed by your post.

It wasn't directed at you.

What is your case for voting Discode?

[StrangerCoug]

Even though I buy the jailkeeper claim, I believe DisCode is lying about Pachino not sending in an action. His case on me is based on the fact that, if I am town, there have to be

THREE

people who can roleblock and DisCode's jailkeep has to have landed on Zekrom25. He knows as well as I do that this is a stretch. The simpler explanation for everything, I think, is that Pachino targeted either TheTrollie or me on Night 1.

I don't care to answer DisCode's latest question to me, so it's on record. It's more WIFOM that he's trying to make me deal with.

[Jingle]

To be perfectly honest, Fitz, I'm kinda giving up on arguing sanity. At least in the case of Discode, there is a chance she's scum and we don't lose when she's lynched. In the Venmar case, we lose either way.

[Titus]

Also, Titus, do you believe there are multiple redirectors and a bus driver?

Yes. It is the most plausible action that fits the beliefs here. For sake of argument, let's say that Discode is a purple unitard martian.

Both redirectors targeted hte "obvious" kill choice and it went through anyway. Either scum have two roleblockers that happened to guess right night 1, or scum have their own method of ensuring the kills. No one mentioned strongman but redirector got mentioned a lot. I find it more plausible that a third redirector was submitted that the host turned into a roleblocker.

What does the jailor have to do with this? Absolutely nothing. Jailor should act first, with the version I submitted. Supposing the host modified it to be the standard mafiascum jailor, it still doesn't matter. Discode couldn't block two redirectors with one jailkeep.

Bus Driver is just more logical here.

Then, look at balance. Scum must have a method of balancing two redirectors and a suicide bomber. Thus, bus driver and jailkeep. The last spot of bp/gf is speculation.

[Jingle]

I find it more plausible that SC is a scum busdriver than a 3 redirector scenario.

From the POV of everyone except Venmar/Venmar's lover, the situation is thus:

There are 5 people in the lynch pool. One of them is the self, with an alignment known. Thus, 2 scum in 4 people for all of the townies. (Because if Venmar/Venmar's lover are both town we lose regardless.) If I'm reading the situation right, Titus and SC are convinced in a Discode/Zekrom/(Lover) scumteam, with leaning on not Venmar. Discode is leaning on a SC/Titus/Zekrom scumteam. It is highly probable that one of Discode/SC is scum, based on roleclaims. If I am misreading any of this at all, then please correct me. If I am reading this correctly, then why are you, Titus and SC, so sure each other are town? Why are you not voting the shared scumread?

Further, this is a UDesign setup. No one has claimed to have submitted a BP. BP is a boring role, and one that I would be surprised to find someone had submitted. Disregarding that, your only reason for not using your ability as town would be if you were unsure on your scumreads. This does not appear to be the case. Your motivation to not use your ability as scum is much higher. I believe you are town right now. I do not see your actions as benefiting town.

[Zekrom25]

Hey Mod...WTF? Are you on v/LA?

If you happen to check in...can we get a Zekrom prod?

what are you trying to do by suggesting this ?

[DisCode]

@Discode, the mod misunderstood what I was claiming then. Day actions cannot be redirected as they are over before the redirector acts. You should know this. Or the mod is saying you don't select your target during the day at all and modified it to where it is not exactly what I submitted.

Also, I am not making up busdriver. Any rdirector submission can be changed into bus driver bc they are both in the same wiki.

Lie more scum.

i have no idea what you're saying in the First part.
for the second bit, yes, you are. You'reclaiming that trollie is a redirector and so is SC, but that the third submitted redirector which nobody claimed to have submitted, has the bus driver ability. That's making things up.

secondly, we had also the investigator. This role can catch multiple scum and can be protected by at least 1 redirector. And this is balanced how? It's laughable that you claim scum have a role protected against your bomb, but not against the investigator. You'll 'blow' up today.

@SC
call it wifom, I don't care. I want you to state if you think scum has 2 rileblockers or 1 roleblocker and 1 redirector or bus driver. You should know why I'm asking.
my case on you is something else as I've been saying since D2

[DisCode]

@venmar
does your role name mention that you have a 1-shot deflect? Like a 1-shot NK immune vig?
if so, my vote will be 100% on Titus. Now it's a toss-upp.

@jingle
I'm not sure on the third. You actually are still the 3rd suspect.
but zekrom and venmar are options too.

[havingfitz]

@venmar
does your role name mention that you have a 1-shot deflect? Like a 1-shot NK immune vig?
if so, my vote will be 100% on Titus. Now it's a toss-upp.

I have a x1-shot deflect

[havingfitz]

Venmar...what are the specifics of your claimed deflector role? What does it do?

^ please answer Venmar.