Mini 1514: ETL's Royal Council (END GAME)

[Slandaar]

Doc-> Jingle->GC->Dessew->whoever he wants (not me)

I will confirm myself tonight, lets roll.

[Guyett]

Hold it if jingle is gunsnith she shouldnt investigate the cop....
Cop has a gun so its a useless investigation

[Green Crayons]

So if you understand this then why are you suggesting that me wanting to lynch someone with a null tracker result is abnormal?

Because you ignored Dessew's reveal/results completely.

[Guyett]

Unless I've confused slandar and jingle

[EspeciallyTheLies]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT 3.04

Abhorsen (4): Matias, Guyett, emogirl123, Slandaar
Slandaar (1): Nominull

Not voting:

yessiree, Abhorsen, Jingle, Green Crayons, Dessew

With 10 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, November 24, 2013 at 11:00 am EST, or in (expired on 2013-11-24 11:00:00).

Mod notes:

None for now.

[Slandaar]

I thought cops came up inno to GS but wiki says not...

@Mod: Do you consider Cops to carry a gun?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

@Mod: Do you consider Cops to carry a gun?

I will have to direct you to the wiki and ask you to make your own determination.

[Guyett]

Look at the gunsmith wiki section

[Guyett]

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths,Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors donot have guns.

[Slandaar]

That makes Dessys claim look a lot worse as it doesn't fit with the rest of the roles. I also don't understand why he claimed when he did considering he should have waitied for Abhorsens inevitable claim to catch fakeclaims etc.

[Guyett]

Get jingle to investigate dessy
:shrug:
Tracker wont have a gun

[Jingle]

Dessy should be doc target, as he can confirm the cop. Anyone can confirm the tracker. Slandaar can apparently confirm himself. Do not vigshot Nom, it screws the math and potentially puts us in MYLO. If we don't hit scum with the lynch I'm fine with hitting the other lynchable (yes), but otherwise a vig tonight is nonoptimal.

[Green Crayons]

With the likelihood of at least one PR lying, and with the outed PRs having so many potential holes to their results, creating an explicit lineup of night actions seems like a great way to help scum.

[yessiree]

waiting on Dessy's post, then I'll vote Ab

[Guyett]

What GC said.
Ffs stop making it easy for scum!!! Keep some element of wifom there to confuse scum

[Jingle]

How can scum exploit my suggested course of action? Dessy is the only one who can confirm GC. GC thus needs a random target, and Dessy needs to live tonight. Mat doesn't have a night action. I'm not announcing my target and Sland is not vigging nominull. If there is a way scum can fuck that up, please tell me, cause I'm not seeing it.

[Jingle]

Sland, if ab flips scum, don't vig shoot. I'll explain why tomorrow.

[Guyett]

Since ehen does sland have a vig power? Is he joat?

[Matias]

This game is ridiculous and I'm lost now.

Catchup when I'm home.

[Matias]

Okay....

So I'm just going to make a list of claims and actions.

Matias: Even Night Vigilante
-Shot Klazam Night 2
-Has gun

Slandaar: Odd Night ?
-"Investigated" Paschendale Night 1
-Has gun

Jingle: Gunsmith
-Investigated Slandaar Night 1, positive
-Investigated Emogirl Night 2, negative

Dessew: Tracker
-Tracked yessiree Night 1, negative
-Tracked Abhorsen Night 2, negative

Green Crayons: Cop
-Investigated Guyett Night 1, negative
-Investigated Nominull Night 2, negative

???: Protective or roleblocker

Paschendale: Mafia Roleblocker
Klazam: Vanilla Townie
Hermy: Vanilla Townie


Abhorsen: ? (negative track)
emogirl: ? (no gun)
Guyett: ? (negative cop)
Nominull: ? (negative cop)
yessiree: ? (negative track)

And no scum kills accounted for.

Is this all correct?

[Matias]

Also, Green Crayons might have a gun too.

[Nominull]

The most unlikely PR to me is the one who hasn't claimed his role and whose hints at his role suggest it has some really bizarre properties. The second most unlikely is the full cop, since there are a lot of roles being claimed but the rest of them all seem pretty weak/restrained, and "town has a bunch of PRs and they're all sorta weak" makes more balance sense than "the strongest PR supported by a bunch of weak PRs". Unless two claimed PRs are scum, we have at least 3 investigative roles, and that seems much more consistent with the lack of a full cop.

Of course we'd love to have a full cop so it would suck to lynch him if he's telling the truth. But Gunsmith can't clear him, Tracker can't clear him if he's rolecop or some crap like that, Slandaar can you clear him?

[Nominull]

OTOH there are as many claimed PRs as there are unclaimed players so maybe it's not unthinkable that there's two scum up in there.

[Matias]

Well, this is what I'm going to suggest:

If slandaar has ANY ability whatsoever to block kills (like, if he roleblocked Pasch on Night 1 and scum just happened to shoot Klazam Night 2 as well), then I believe Dessew. If another role claims as a doctor or roleblocker, I'm lynching Dessew, but Dessew will die after Abhorsen no matter what.

The tracks don't mean anything. Emo's gun clear doesn't mean anything. Guyett's cop clear means a little bit, Nominull is clear enough to me but not confirmed (Pasch's pushing plus the investigation)

I 100% believe Slandaar, Jingle and Green Crayons.

[Matias]

What is astounding me is why Slandaar has a gun though, so that makes Dessew less likely to be town. I really don't understand Slandaar's role.