Mini Normal 1375 - Over

[Carbondioxide]

Right now, I think it is you. How do you feel about that?

Better. At least that's

something

.

Why

do you think it's me (and don't say "because x said so" etc.). What have I done which makes you think it's me. And, if you think it's me, why do you favour a no lynch?

[Elias_the_thief]

Statistically speaking, the smartest play is a no lynch. Why would we want to make a choice out of 4 at LYLO when we could be doing it at 3 with that much less chance of mislynching for the loss?

[Ranmaru]

I'll post thoughts tonight after class.

[Carbondioxide]

Statistically speaking, the smartest play is a no lynch. Why would we want to make a choice out of 4 at LYLO when we could be doing it at 3 with that much less chance of mislynching for the loss?

I'm all for playing the odds and agree we should, probably make a no lynch. However, I don't see that as any reason to waste this day phase. We lost two more Townies last night - Kingdom after certain players (Ran I'm looking at you) lead a lynch campaign on him; and Bork - which, to me, was an interesting pick as NK, given Scumhunter's replace out in that slot.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on these at least before we tie up a quick no lynch and just give the scum another NK in their lap, without at least making them work a bit.

Also, 4 left means there MUST be only 1 scum left - else it'd be game over. Those that argued long and hard, right to the last (yes Ran, largely you again) that there was more than 1 - I'd like to hear your thoughts now.

[Ranmaru]

Here is what we are going to do

:

We all give two top scumpicks, and why.
State if you would rather lynch today or tommorow. Why or why not.

In this order

:

Elias, Hoopla, Carbon, Me.

It's that simple.

[Ranmaru]

Right now, I think it is you. How do you feel about that?

Hoopla, why do you think it's Carbon?

Statistically speaking, the smartest play is a no lynch. Why would we want to make a choice out of 4 at LYLO when we could be doing it at 3 with that much less chance of mislynching for the loss?

Of course, but we aren't going to without some discussion. For example, why did you wait until 1 minute to vote after deadline? Are you some sort of indy? Spit it out. You have been tunneling HARD on Hoopla for some reason. Are you not allowed to be on a lynch? Why HAVEN'T you been on a lynch THIS WHOLE DAMN GAME. Tell me.

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on these at least before we tie up a quick no lynch and just give the scum another NK in their lap, without at least making them work a bit.

Also, 4 left means there MUST be only 1 scum left - else it'd be game over. Those that argued long and hard, right to the last (yes Ran, largely you again) that there was more than 1 - I'd like to hear your thoughts now.

Yes, obviously there can't be two scum at this point. Why did you ask this question?

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

Not Voting (4) - Elias_the_theif, Carbondioxide, Hoopla, Ranmaru

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch
Elias_the_theif and Hoopla have been prodded

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, why do you think it's Carbon?

Mostly because I don't think it's you. It might be Elias I guess given he hasn't really thought twice about me and has happily had me as scum all game. You've at least modified your reads based on what's been happening. But I think it's Carbon still mostly because he seems least town.

I'd rather no-lynch today.

[Carbondioxide]

Here is what we are going to do

:

We all give two top scumpicks, and why.
State if you would rather lynch today or tommorow. Why or why not.

In this order

:

Elias, Hoopla, Carbon, Me.

It's that simple.

Uh... say WHAT now? Who died and made you King? You were the one heading up the Kingdom lynch (whoopsles!) so you wanna run by me again why it is you're last in this ordering of things you've trumped up? I guess we needn't ask who you think is most scummy given you made this running order!

We've got one lynch left so, just playing the odds it makes more sense to do it in the next Day - but I'll be a monkey's gonad if I'm going to let Mr. Mislynch dictate the play.

And P.S. weren't you the one with this great 'case' on me prior to Kingdom's lynch? Now Hoopla's following your lead but all of a sudden I'm less scummy than both her and Elias (based on your ordering). You change your mind more than you change your underwear! Why is it we should put ANY store in anything you say?

[Elias_the_thief]

Statistically speaking, the smartest play is a no lynch. Why would we want to make a choice out of 4 at LYLO when we could be doing it at 3 with that much less chance of mislynching for the loss?

Of course, but we aren't going to without some discussion. For example, why did you wait until 1 minute to vote after deadline? Are you some sort of indy? Spit it out. You have been tunneling HARD on Hoopla for some reason. Are you not allowed to be on a lynch? Why HAVEN'T you been on a lynch THIS WHOLE DAMN GAME. Tell me.

I vote precisely when I arrived back at my room after jazz combo. My schedule doesn't always line up with mafia games. Also, I've voted for lynches that I thought were good and not for ones that are bad. I've reread (twice) and still think Hoopla is the last scum. There has been nothing in the past few pages to change that, seeing as she's effectively dropped out of the game.

Also, you know my suspects, and why. They haven't changed with Bork's death.

[Carbondioxide]

This is bloody ridiculous. EVERYONE is going to get prodded the day before LyLo. Scum are going to win this as the Town are too apathetic to give a... damn.

[Hoopla]

VOTE: no lynch

*shrug*

[Elias_the_thief]

It seems to me that discussing today helps scum set up the perfect situation for themselves tomorrow more than it seems to be helping us right now.

vote: no lynch

[Ranmaru]

Carbon, I have still not gotten your scumpicks. You have a problem with what I'm trying to do, so why don't you give your two picks and reasons in why you believe them.

Do you agree with no lynch today, or do you think there should be a lynch today?

Here is my answer:

Vote: Hoopla

Hoopla, I want you to re-explain why exactly you vote me D1. Yes, you were turning on the blender. But why me.

[Carbondioxide]

Carbon, I have still not gotten your scumpicks. You have a problem with what I'm trying to do, so why don't you give your two picks and reasons in why you believe them.

Do you agree with no lynch today, or do you think there should be a lynch today?

Y'see, I must've missed the part where I agreed to you being in charge and dictating who does what and when. You want to know my "picks"? ISO me. I've been pretty clear about who I suspect lately.

I'm aware that, mathematically there's no reason to lynch today but I'm finding this game so exasperating I'm tempted to go for a 'f**k it lynch' - as my fellow Townies seem SO apathetic about whether we win or not its making me feel like an idiot for giving so much of a damn.

[Elias_the_thief]

Y'see, I must've missed the part where I agreed to you being in charge and dictating who does what and when. You want to know my "picks"? ISO me. I've been pretty clear about who I suspect lately.

I'm aware that, mathematically there's no reason to lynch today but I'm finding this game so exasperating I'm tempted to go for a 'f**k it lynch' - as my fellow Townies seem SO apathetic about whether we win or not its making me feel like an idiot for giving so much of a damn.

How are you simultaneously complaining about town being apathetic and about someone trying to take charge?

As I said, I'm pretty sure discussion today helps scum more than town, so I'm actually not being apathetic; quite the opposite. Attempting a "f**k it lynch" is possibly the dumbest thing we could do right now, so why don't we just no lynch and get to tomorrow when we can have a "game winning" lynch instead?

Also, not sure what Ranmaru thinks he's going to accomplish by placing that vote. No one is going to place a second vote when it creates the potential for a game ending hammer (if Hoopla's town). Even the strongest supporter of a Hoopla lynch (myself) wouldn't place that vote today so I don't think there's any real pressure. Nor do I think Hoopla cares enough to even address the question

[Carbondioxide]

How are you simultaneously complaining about town being apathetic and about someone trying to take charge?

Telling everyone what to do and in what order - leaving yourself as last (when at least I think he's pretty scummy) is not "taking charge" it's fishing for information to work out who should be your next NK. It's also 'faux pro-Town'.

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

No Lynch (2) - Hoopla, Elias_the_thief
Hoopla (1) - Ranmaru

Not Voting (1) - Carbondioxide

With 4 alive it takes 3 to lynch or no lynch
Deadline is December 1st, 5PM PST

Hoopla, Elias_the_thief and Ranmaru have been prodded
I just started a new job so have no access until at least 6PM PST weekdays as a warning

[Ranmaru]

Just had class, I'll post tommorow, going to sleep.

[Elias_the_thief]

Toasting in epic bread. Not much to say, still want a no lynch.

[Hoopla]

I'm still waiting for no lynch too.

[Ranmaru]

I'm aware that, mathematically there's no reason to lynch today but I'm finding this game so exasperating I'm tempted to go for a 'f**k it lynch' - as my fellow Townies seem SO apathetic about whether we win or not its making me feel like an idiot for giving so much of a damn.

Are you serious?

Do you want to no lynch, yes or no? Then answer why.

[Carbondioxide]

I'm aware that, mathematically there's no reason to lynch today but I'm finding this game so exasperating I'm tempted to go for a 'f**k it lynch' - as my fellow Townies seem SO apathetic about whether we win or not its making me feel like an idiot for giving so much of a damn.

Are you serious?

Do you want to no lynch, yes or no? Then answer why.

Very serious. I favour a no lynch but I can't see what the hurry is - or how, as has been said, any analysis/discussion favours scum and not Town. It's 3v1 - so I can't see why (other than apathy) people are in such a rush to tie up a no lynch and rush to Lylo.

[Ranmaru]

Ok then.

Vote: No lynch

[LlamaFluff]

Vote Count

No Lynch (3) - Hoopla, Elias_the_thief, Ranmaru

Not Voting (1) - Carbondioxide

No Lynch has occured.

Deadline for night actions is November 30th, 7PM PST