Flame Warriors U-Pick; Troll wins it for his team!

[CATFISH]

There's no way in hell we're telling you if we're shooting. Don't want to waste the last shot.

[Scumhunter]

Oversoul, its nice to see you finally weigh in on my alignment. I found it a bit odd that you didn't directly comment on me sooner in the day given I'm the hot topic due to SirB's result. As scum I'm inclined to believe you'd be pushing for my lynch, particularly since Gaoth isn't pushing on me and is very likely scum. I still think Gaoth/farside is the most likely team right now.

vote Gaoth

[Gaoth]

Vote: Duplicity

[Gaoth]

My new best guess is that SH and Duplicity are scum together, there is some sweet bussing going down because Duplicity is confident of their grasp on the town.

Other than that, I feel like staying in this game is a supreme disservice to the town, but I feel like I'm too invested to replace out. I apologize for my lack luster play this game, but school and mafia are hard to mix.

And if you need to ask why we should lynch Duplicity, I suggest you ask, Wynaut?

[Duplicity]

My new best guess is that SH and Duplicity are scum together, there is some sweet bussing going down because Duplicity is confident of their grasp on the town.

Alright, if you're going to make a statement like this I'm going to ask you to answer a question for me: Where has Scumhunter pushed towards me, and where have I pushed towards Scumhunter? Because the answer to both of those questions is that it hasn't occurred. I actually think Scumhunter is town.

While you're answering that I have another question for you that I also asked earlier; In 00's Band Mafia you stated that Gorilla neighbourizing me was a complete null tell as he would do so regardless of alignment however you're now claiming that my neighbourization of you was a 'scum manipulation tactic', how does that work in the slightest and again I'll ask where have I 'manipulated' you. And lastly, what happened to your scum-read on Oversoul?

[Duplicity]

There's no way in hell we're telling you if we're shooting. Don't want to waste the last shot.

In regards to this, you need to be using it tonight without a doubt. Given the fact that there's 8 players alive (An even number) your vig shot is essentially a free mslynch which should most certainly be used before you potentially get shot.

[Scumhunter]

Gaoth, you shitbag, lynching Duplicity is one of life's pleasures and something I'm open to considering under almost any circumstance imaginable, but you have no case. Your reasons given were weak and instantly refuted, but yet you aren't acknowledging that/trying to explain yourself in a better way or anything. If you were town and legitimately thought Duplicity was scum, you would be doing a hell of a lot more to try and convince people. Stopping in now that a vote has gone on you and pleading poor play/saying you would replace out but you are invested is scumlord status 101. =/

[CATFISH]

Typo. Shouldve been "who" we're shooting.

[Gaoth]

@Duplicity: Sorry, I thought I recalled you saying late game miller claim was scummy. Did that not happen? You're right, his neighborizing you in that game was a null tell, but i'm saying that given our past experience, especially last game, you neighborizing me is scummy, considering you have much more history, respect, and joy at playing with someone like Scumhunter. Why pick me? Because you didn't need an extra QT to talk to Scumhunter. You got me to reevaluate my scum read on Dramonic in favor of a scum read on Ghostwriter (They were both town!). I gave you my complete list of reads, and you basically told me they were shit. Is it possible Oversoul is scum? Yes. He's been (openly) sheeping you, and right now even though he suspects I'm town, he's willing to lynch me, someone he thinks is town. But I'm sold on you and Scumhunter.

@Scumhunter It was a huge coincidence that I check the game right after you had voted me. Admittedly, it looks bad, but it doesn't change the fact. I'm assuming the shitbag comment was part of your PR and will not take it personally. I think anyone can tell my play thus far has been a pile of Trubbish.

[Duplicity]

@Duplicity: Sorry, I thought I recalled you saying late game miller claim was scummy. Did that not happen?

No, it didn't happen, I've been arguing and saying for a long time that Scumhunter claiming miller late game is exactly he would play the role.

You're right, his neighborizing you in that game was a null tell, but i'm saying that given our past experience, especially last game, you neighborizing me is scummy, considering you have much more history, respect, and joy at playing with someone like Scumhunter. Why pick me? Because you didn't need an extra QT to talk to Scumhunter.

I didn't neighbourize Scumhunter because D1 I was highly suspicious of him and wanted to neighbourize a stronger town read or alt least someone I thought was town. As for why I neighbourized you because we have a history of working together really well in QTs which hasn't happened at all this game.

You got me to reevaluate my scum read on Dramonic in favor of a scum read on Ghostwriter (They were both town!).

This is untrue, I pointed out your logic behind your reads on the two of them were horse-shit. You were stating "Dram is lurking therefore he's scum, Ghost is lurking therefore he's town" which makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that they were both town is irrelevant.

I gave you my complete list of reads, and you basically told me they were shit. Is it possible Oversoul is scum? Yes. He's been (openly) sheeping you, and right now even though he suspects I'm town, he's willing to lynch me, someone he thinks is town. But I'm sold on you and Scumhunter.

Your complete list of reads included; Oversoul as scum, Scumhunter as town. You've completely flipped these reads around today without any attempt at backing up your reasoning for doing so.

[Oversoul]

@Duplicity: Sorry, I thought I recalled you saying late game miller claim was scummy. Did that not happen? You're right, his neighborizing you in that game was a null tell, but i'm saying that given our past experience, especially last game, you neighborizing me is scummy, considering you have much more history, respect, and joy at playing with someone like Scumhunter. Why pick me? Because you didn't need an extra QT to talk to Scumhunter. You got me to reevaluate my scum read on Dramonic in favor of a scum read on Ghostwriter (They were both town!). I gave you my complete list of reads, and you basically told me they were shit. Is it possible Oversoul is scum? Yes. He's been (openly) sheeping you, and right now even though he suspects I'm town, he's willing to lynch me, someone he thinks is town. But I'm sold on you and Scumhunter.

@Scumhunter It was a huge coincidence that I check the game right after you had voted me. Admittedly, it looks bad, but it doesn't change the fact. I'm assuming the shitbag comment was part of your PR and will not take it personally. I think anyone can tell my play thus far has been a pile of Trubbish.

That is a misrep. I never said to lynch you specifically, I always said to lynch one of you and Farside, implying Farside since I actually had a nullscum read on her and a town read on you. In all of my posts I was openly stating that distinction. Interesting that you specifically say lynch, when if anything, I would want you vigged which would be implied from my posts.

Scumhunter, I didn't comment on you because Duplicity was really saying what I thought at the moment and I didn't feel the need to say anything. Amrun as vig is usually a good thing so I have faith. Although SK might fuck with that good aspect....

[Amrun]

Calling me an SK now, OS?

Do you think only killing people that vote for you is a feasible sk win condition? lol

[CATFISH]

Your words wound me Oversoul.
I would NEVER, EVER maybe sometimes on occasion shoot without conferring with Amrun possibly.

[farside22]

@oversoul: Any reason why you believe SH's claim or don't consider him scum?

I believe Duplicity's statement about the late game miller claim, and I also don't see Scumhunter's actions as anti-town. We can have the vigilante shoot him tonight if you please, but I would prefer that he isn't the lynch. I think we will gain a better source of information from someone else's lynch.

There has been a cop investigating going on now with positive results and your telling me because one person who knew there was a cop investigating people that not claiming sounds perfectly reasonable to you?
Are you joking?

Did you get any results from the votes day 1, day 2 or excetra? Did you learn anything from it? If so what?

[farside22]

Oversoul, its nice to see you finally weigh in on my alignment. I found it a bit odd that you didn't directly comment on me sooner in the day given I'm the hot topic due to SirB's result. As scum I'm inclined to believe you'd be pushing for my lynch, particularly since Gaoth isn't pushing on me and is very likely scum. I still think Gaoth/farside is the most likely team right now.

vote Gaoth

You know what I see.
Hey thanks scum buddy for protecting me. Lets win this!

My new best guess is that SH and Duplicity are scum together, there is some sweet bussing going down because Duplicity is confident of their grasp on the town.

Other than that, I feel like staying in this game is a supreme disservice to the town, but I feel like I'm too invested to replace out. I apologize for my lack luster play this game, but school and mafia are hard to mix.

And if you need to ask why we should lynch Duplicity, I suggest you ask, Wynaut?

I'm leaning on Oversoul and SH myself.
I'm pretty sure this is not the first time I recall Oversoul defending someone who the cop received a guilty on.
Lets not forget the whole fake claim from Benmage, and Oversoul was the one who tried to push that Benmage "claim" looked plausible.

[Oversoul]

Oversoul, its nice to see you finally weigh in on my alignment. I found it a bit odd that you didn't directly comment on me sooner in the day given I'm the hot topic due to SirB's result. As scum I'm inclined to believe you'd be pushing for my lynch, particularly since Gaoth isn't pushing on me and is very likely scum. I still think Gaoth/farside is the most likely team right now.

vote Gaoth

You know what I see.
Hey thanks scum buddy for protecting me. Lets win this!

My new best guess is that SH and Duplicity are scum together, there is some sweet bussing going down because Duplicity is confident of their grasp on the town.

Other than that, I feel like staying in this game is a supreme disservice to the town, but I feel like I'm too invested to replace out. I apologize for my lack luster play this game, but school and mafia are hard to mix.

And if you need to ask why we should lynch Duplicity, I suggest you ask, Wynaut?

I'm leaning on Oversoul and SH myself.
I'm pretty sure this is not the first time I recall Oversoul defending someone who the cop received a guilty on.
Lets not forget the whole fake claim from Benmage, and Oversoul was the one who tried to push that Benmage "claim" looked plausible.

I also said that Benmage was scum before the guilty and after having played Brightest Day Mafia, I don't really trust cop claims. The situation confused me even more when Benmage was also a cop variant.

Farside, try and push my lynch just like Toy Story. See what it gets you.

[farside22]

Oversoul, its nice to see you finally weigh in on my alignment. I found it a bit odd that you didn't directly comment on me sooner in the day given I'm the hot topic due to SirB's result. As scum I'm inclined to believe you'd be pushing for my lynch, particularly since Gaoth isn't pushing on me and is very likely scum. I still think Gaoth/farside is the most likely team right now.

vote Gaoth

You know what I see.
Hey thanks scum buddy for protecting me. Lets win this!

My new best guess is that SH and Duplicity are scum together, there is some sweet bussing going down because Duplicity is confident of their grasp on the town.

Other than that, I feel like staying in this game is a supreme disservice to the town, but I feel like I'm too invested to replace out. I apologize for my lack luster play this game, but school and mafia are hard to mix.

And if you need to ask why we should lynch Duplicity, I suggest you ask, Wynaut?

I'm leaning on Oversoul and SH myself.
I'm pretty sure this is not the first time I recall Oversoul defending someone who the cop received a guilty on.
Lets not forget the whole fake claim from Benmage, and Oversoul was the one who tried to push that Benmage "claim" looked plausible.

I also said that Benmage was scum before the guilty and after having played Brightest Day Mafia, I don't really trust cop claims. The situation confused me even more when Benmage was also a cop variant.

Farside, try and push my lynch just like Toy Story. See what it gets you.

If you haven't been paying attention I'm pushing on SH lynch. You know the one which a cop got a guilty and so far we have flipped scum 2 times based on that guilty.
Did Brightest Day have that?

[Scumhunter]

farside, the crux of your argument comes down to you want me lynched because of the guilty report. SirB's PM suggests that not everything is as it seems on the internet (i.e. his reports aren't 100% accurate). Given that, and given that we've lynched 2 scum guilties, you are comfortable with the status quo of omg lynch guilty despite the evidence we have that that isn't a good idea?

Your other argument is that you don't believe I would late claim as miller. Not sure I can really convince you that late claiming as miller is correct (but women don't want to hear the truth in a lot of things, for example the necessity of gender roles). I explained in my iso #49 the reasons I chose to not claim day 1. You can disagree with my decision, but that is my opinion and you have heard from Duplicity with whom I've had a few conversations specifically about this matter months ago before this game ever started and he has confirmed that I don't think millers should claim day 1. Now that doesn't "confirm" me as town, but that does confirm that my explanation is at least plausible and that you need to take a minute and think about the logic behind what are you saying, if you are able...

I find it hilarious that as soon as slaxx says "no deadline you guys have been active", the activity dwindles. I'm still confident Gaoth is scum and I'm feeling a lot better about Oversoul's last few posts. I'd be surprised if the scum team weren't exactly Gaoth/farside, but I'm starting to reconsider whether I've been writing Tragedy off as town too easily. I find it hard to believe that no scum would be voting me right now.

tldr, Gaoth/farside are the scumlords.

[farside22]

@SH: Again because apparently reading is beneath you.
You knew there was a cop.
You knew he was investigating people
It makes no fucking sense to claim after an investigation if you are truely a miller.
You should have breadcrumbed if it was true or as soon as the cop came out, state your miller status.

I don't believe you are a miller based on those things.

[Scumhunter]

I agree I should have breadcrumbed, if I could start the game over I would have (although multiple of my early posts show the millerhood mindset and essentially should read as more subtle breadcrumbs).

Why are just completely ignoring that regardless of what my alignment is, its been practically confirmed that this is how I would choose to play as a miller. Then your argument is "I don't believe you would play a miller this way." You either aren't reading/aren't thinking/or most likely are just angry scum who isn't adjusting well and assuming I was going to be lynched today responds like an infant "qq, lynch the guilty omg".

[farside22]

SH: You explained that is how you play miller no matter your aligment means nothing. Waiting and claiming after a cop investigates you to claim is scummy.
There is no if, and or but about it.

[SleepyKrew]

How can someone be Miller of "either alignment"?

[farside22]

@CATFISH: SH saying that his view on millers is how he feels. It's a null tell because as scum or as town he feels that way.
Logically speaking his claim after the cop gets a guilty for me is more scum sided then town. No breadcrumb, cop claimed and is investigating people should have at the very least if true had him out the claim earlier then he did.

[Slaxx]

Deadline is in a week...Mass Prod going out now

[Sir Bastion]

Can we get a vc?