Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[armlx]

Votes carry over from day to day? Interesting.

[elvis_knits]

I'm kinda insulted no one wants me on their team. Also, that anyone would suggest toning down the killing.

This is bad on a lot of levels.

Townie would never write this because it's asking to be recruited, which townie doesn't want. Only people who would want to write this are CL's or recruits who know they can't be recruited anymore. And if some other cult tries to recruit them it screws the other cult out of a successful recruit.

vote lowell

And FWIW, I blocked cavebear last night.

[Lowell]

I'm kinda insulted no one wants me on their team. Also, that anyone would suggest toning down the killing.

This is bad on a lot of levels.

Townie would never write this because it's asking to be recruited, which townie doesn't want. Only people who would want to write this are CL's or recruits who know they can't be recruited anymore. And if some other cult tries to recruit them it screws the other cult out of a successful recruit.

vote lowell

And FWIW, I blocked cavebear last night.

It was a throwaway comment. This reasoning for my votes is just awful.

[elvis_knits]

Your "throwaway comment" has serious implications. Don't pretend it doesn't.

[Lowell]

It actually doesn't.

This is hilarious. Scenario: I'm a cult recruiter. I open a day by saying things like "Gee, I haven't been recruited, wohoo!". Sound plausible?

I can claim if anyone wants me to, but I'd prefer to (a) wait, or (b) not claim at all and wait for idiots to realize they're idiots.

[Korlash]

Easy there Mr. "everyone voting me is an idiot!" that wifom applies to me as well. Why would I, "as a cult member", talk about how cult should play the night?!?!? I wouldn't want to help the other cults out. Yet still I'm up for a lynch today anyways. So don't think you'll talk people out of lynching you based on reason, as you can see logic and reason really doesn't play in half of this game's deaths.

as it stands, you might as well claim.

[mneme]

vote: Korlash

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today; directing the cults only serves the scum. And claiming that logic and reason is irrelevant isn't helping your case at all.

Lowell isn't uninteresting -- but Korlash is far more scummy, IMO.

(no reason they can't both be scum, mind).

[Battle Mage]

Vote Count

(5) Lowell: (Kison, Muerrto, Armlx, Korlash, Elvis Knits)
(2) Korlash: (Lowell, Mneme)
(9) Not voting: (DR, Cavebear, Erg0, Macavenger, Xtoxm, Andycyca, Pooky, Farside, DGB)

16 players alive, means 9 votes to lynch.

[farside22]

Well this is easy for me. I said yesterday I didn't care for Lowell's comment and then he completely disregarded my question.

Vote: Lowell

[Dead Rikimaru]

Hi. ^_^
Just finished catching up.

DGB is DGB and should be lynched if no one scummier then neutral on whatever scale you are using can be found.

Why? Because DGB is famous?
I actually doubt at least one CR (maybe more than one) didn't try to recruit her, but I'm surprised how little attention Pooky is getting.

I would favor lynching Pooky before DGB because:
- If you consider fame as a factor he was already famous when DGB started.
- He participated much less. Posted only three times with no content. While posting regularly over the site.
- There is no power role claiming to have protected him from cults.

vote: Pooky

That said I wouldn't mind seeing Lowell lynched too, but will give him some time to stop wifoming and make an actual claim.

[Macavenger]

I'm having a really hard time figuring out scum in this game.

For now,

Vote: Pooky

. It's occurred to me that Mizzy's bit about townies wanting to join the winning cult could have been fishing for recruitables. Pooky not contributing anything after replacing her doesn't help much.

Also not terribly fond of Andy, Lowell, Korlash, or Farside right now. Waiting for a result claim from Andy before deciding what to do there. Pretty unsure about the rest.

More rereading as I get time. Hopefully it'll be more enlightening than this last batch I did.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

These are things I'll keep in mind today: There's now (probably) slightly higher than a 50% chance that any given person is a cultist. There could be as many as 12 cultists, although I doubt that it's that bad. Anyone who appeared towny yesterday (and didn't claim unrecruitable) might have gone from town yesterday to cultist today.

We're still on a tight schedule, we still want to lynch recruiters. I disagree about elvis' opinion that only a recruiter or cultist would want to attract attention by saying what Lowell did; for one thing, town unrecruitables might do the same. Or it could mean nothing. If Lowell is scum, he's - IMO - much more likely to be a recruit than a recruiter, as it seems like a stupid thing for a recruiter to say.

Vote: Pooky

, for lurking and for replacing Mizzy who I could totally see trying to pull off a "innocent, not knowing what's going on" act. Plus Macavanger's point about possible recruit-fishing. However, I'd like to point out that the "famous" factor as mentioned by Dead Rikamaru isn't useful at all if we're trying to find recruiters; it might help us find cultists, but I (still) consider recruiters to be top priority. If we can get all four of them today, we're definitely still in the race. If we don't... Well, chances are there won't be much of a town left tomorrow. >_>

[Xtoxm]

xtoxm, result please.

I checked Erg0 and he's not fire/ice. Looks like recruiting is more important than killing me, which I guess makes sense at this stage.

Ok, so I wanna see Andy dead by the end of the day

Likewise, i'd have investigated him save for the agreement he was being lynched today.

I still wanna know how the hell no one ever replied to my repeated comments about DGB completely DISSAPPEARING from the active posting earlier in the day.

Seems most unlike DG from the couple games i've played with her as town. But she was active early on, which is more than others can say.

I'm not seeing the latest Lowell wagon.

vote Pooky

I like this one more, he has lurked far to much. Would also be happy with Korlash.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote pooky

. DR's post is a breath of fresh air.

[Battle Mage]

ANOTHER Vote Count

(6) Lowell: (Kison, Muerrto, Armlx, Korlash, Elvis Knits, Farside)
(5) Pooky: (Dead Rikimaru, Macavenger, Cavebear, Xtoxm, Lowell)
(1) Korlash: (Mneme)
(4) Not voting: (Erg0, Andycyca, Pooky, DGB)

16 players alive, means 9 votes to lynch.

BM

[Muerrto]

unvote, vote pooky

. DR's post is a breath of fresh air.

Um.. he called for your lynch and told you to stop WIFOM'ing and claim so he's a 'breath of fresh air' and you bandwagon his vote?

CONFIRM Vote: Lowell

[Battle Mage]

Prodding Pooky, AndyCyca and Erg0

[Macavenger]

unvote, vote pooky

. DR's post is a breath of fresh air.

Um.. he called for your lynch and told you to stop WIFOM'ing and claim so he's a 'breath of fresh air' and you bandwagon his vote?

CONFIRM Vote: Lowell

Yeah, that makes me like Lowell a lot less.

Unvote; Vote: Lowell

I'm cool with giving Pooky a chance to show up and talk before stringing him up.

[armlx]

Pooky = productive and actually pretty good at scum hunting.

DGB = unreal levels of random and rarely productive beyond someone you can count on in a wagon.

Hence the reason DGB is a default lynch.

[Macavenger]

Pooky has not been productive this game, and replaced a suspicious player.

[armlx]

I don't find Mizzy's posts that scummy to be honest.

[Erg0]

Is Lowell the type to attempt to use reverse psychology? I don't have a meta on him at all.

vote: Korlash

I said it yesterday, and I'll say it again today; directing the cults only serves the scum.

This is arguably true, but it doesn't make Korlash scum. Why would a cultist be posting hints for the other cults?

[armlx]

This does not seem like Lowell town to me, but my sample size is limited.

[Muerrto]

Personally I hate meta and I've played with very few of you save Ergo multiple times.

But Lowell's play this game, especially his latest post, has been bad.

That's why he's got my vote.

[mneme]

This is arguably true, but it doesn't make Korlash scum. Why would a cultist be posting hints for the other cults?

Because at the moment, the town is a bigger threat to the cults than they are to one another. Based on my math of yesterday, I'd guess there were 6 cultists going into Day 1. Yesterday killed a lot of innocent townies, but also revealed some recruitables, so let's say two more cultists going into today -- 8 cultists total, given the plethora of things that can block a recruit. So the town is probably 50% town, 50% scum -- which means that by far, the largest voting block is the town block -- and we have more "kills" than the scum does; 6 per day, as opposed to four kill^recruits at night.

The scum's biggest weakness is that they cannot coordinate -- the individual cults can, but do not want to reveal themselves to one another (of course), and even if they did, their only means of coordination is through public play. The town -can- coordinate, but we don't know who's town and who is scum (naturally).

The end result, in my mind, is to treat any attempt to direct the scum with -extreme- suspicion. It's not in their interests to listen to you, and if it is, I don't want you telling it to them. And either way, there's a good chance anyone trying to direct the scum is, in fact, scum.