In post 973, Expedience wrote:And I could've done that without making myself look inconsistent and terrible?
ofc because why would he kill himself
Well, I am town.
I get you are scum reading me. Is it impossible for you to see this game where I am town and shannon scum?
^ this post is a borderline scumclaim
Phrasing implicitly assumes that I'm town, and the tone is incredibly propitiatory anyway.
VOTE: chilledtea because Cakez let me.
In post 986, Expedience wrote:Yes obviously, that's why I concluded that shannon was mislead town. That was the entire foundation of my dilemma.
You don't mean what you're saying and you're just spouting theory at me.
My reads this game have been very flexible.
Basically this is where I'm at with the new stuff.
Points for CT being scum: 995 appears equivocal, leaves options open, Expe's linked scum game looks really really different from his play here so that would suggest CT, Expe's 961 case against CT.
Points for Expe being scum: Quickhammered Ceph and didn't explain that he'd whipped, 996 'clearly' town reads me and I can't tell whether it's fake, 954 pushes for lynch today when we could potentially go to LYLO instead (OK we might lose Cakez but the others would still have a chance to win?), 969 compares CT's play today with Expe's own scum play as though style is transferrable.
Chilledtea's post is not so much motivated by leaving his options open as trying to make it look like he's considering all options, while trying to portray me as only pushing one person as scum.
I agree with your assessment of the quick hammer, I think it was so anti-town it's not funny. I let the first one go because Copper flipped scum, but the second one was so much worse.
Sorry for my absence today, half the house is in demolition and I didn't have access until now. Looks like I didn't miss much though. Part of me is like just vote Expe and get the game done, the other half is like what if that's what scum CT wants you to do?
Hey, if you lynch me that's entirely on you. If you're unwilling to see that things which you perceived of as anti-town can come from either alignment then that's your loss ultimately.
quickhammering someone while the confirmed town explicitly said not to lynch them and then pushing who the confirmed town wanted lynched yesterday is just absurdly scummy, not just anti-town
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
Scum CT, realising Expe is going to fight his lynch, tries to get the vote on me instead? Or Town CT, questioning my towniness?
CT if I were scum I'd have found some reason to change my vote to you around the time Cakez and I were talking about conf bias. With Expe voting you and Cakez town reading me, I could likely have convinced him to hammer you and I would have won for scum. But I didn't do that because *shock* I'm town and I'm scum reading Expe. The only way I'm changing that is if 1) there's a really good case made on you, 2) there's a scum slip, 3) it gets to the end of the day and Cakez makes the call.
I stand by what I said about D1, it looks like Copper and Expe are distancing and each buddying a different person. Also pretty damning is Expe's double quick hammer. It's either {coincidence D1 and shitty town play} or {scumminess and scumminess}. CT I'd urge you to take another look at him if you are town.
I've already said this, but it's not about keeping his options open to push a lynch on you instead. He knows he will win by lynching me. He's waiting for Cakez to vote so he can hammer basically.
A similar situation to this occurred in a game I played with Firebringer where he fakeclaimed doctor for no reason as VT. And I basically tunneled him and we lost. I was unwilling to consider the possibility that he would do that as town, probably because I felt like he should be responsible for his actions and I shouldn't have to play around others if they do things like that. Even though people hammering when they feel like it isn't actually bad in some situations (I consider it okay when the day has gone for long enough and people are just repeating themselves, nothing is progressing and a resolution needs to be reached), it's analogous because you think it's bad.
- I know what you mean, I don't know how we're collectively going to endure another 7 days of this with little new content. I am starting to get to the point where I want this to end more than I want to win, which is not me! (I think it's because I'm working big hours at the moment and I'm just stuffed). I still think Expe is our last scum, not CT. Do you want me to vote CT nonetheless and give you the chance to end the game, or do you want to keep trying to puzzle it out?
