Vaya catches some posts of Glork that make it very likely he wanted us to think he was a death miller. The fact that he was going to full claim day 2 also means it’s likely he was telling the truth. This makes Alma’s claim more believable.
Re: iec’s clears:
Iecerint wrote:MafiaSSK wrote:Could you please explain every one of those?
It's not that those players are particularly scummy, but rather that everyone else is largely cleared:
1. Glork is town because he was probably a death miller (GDM).
2. Alma is probably not scum because his reaction to Faraday's gag rule is consistent with his claim. (The numbers post still bothers me, though, tbh. I really expected it to be explained when Alma claimed.)
3. Vaya is not scum for pointing out the situation with Alma in a circumstance where no one had picked up on GDM even after I'd mentioned it.
4. Given all that, UK has to be town, because there was no reason for her to stop the Vaya lynch D1 if she was scum.
5. Phate/tubby is town because of something that happened N1 and early D2. I will elaborate on this later.
6. I think SB is probably town because of her claim on Phate. She claimed it before I intimated any insight, so she cleared Phate, Cop/converter.
1 is fine. 2 is fine. 3 is ok – with the words death miller already floating around, and Vaya-scum knowing that he was a DM, I can see him pre-empting people with the revelation, but this certainly makes me think Vaya much more likely town. 4 – well yeah. Questioning a guilty on a townie would be pretty odd as scum. 5 I obviously can’t comment on. 6 I think is naïve. I don’t see any reason to believe that someone who has claimed cop is real just because they have an inno on someone you think is town. In a game like this, sanities are always going to be hugely in doubt, and there’s really no great risk attached to scum “clearing” someone.
I expected to disagree with more of those. I’d add iec and SB to the list, and remove myself, but this is basically goodposting. So I’m thinking the best place to look for scum is in:
SP
SSK
Pom
iec
SB
Iecerint wrote:
3. FTF's D1 miller claim looks weird in light of all the gag orders elsewhere. Also, he's been a pretty on-the-backburner player all game. The only post of his I can remember is the one justifying that he wasn't likely to be 3rd party on account of his checking guilty. O_o
In this game, we have 4 different types of miller claimed, including SSK. I think this actually adds credence to the first miller claim – if I were scum, I’d have to be lucky to land in the middle of millertown just when I decided to claim miller.
I don’t deny being fairly on-the-backburner, as you put it. I’ve struggled to work out what is going on, in terms of setup or who the scum are. However, the last sentence of this sits very badly with me. The post you refer to was a couple of lines extremely early in the game. I haven’t had a huge impact on this game to date, but reading myself in iso I’ve made some decent posts, given my reads, commented on everything important – including giving a case for you being scum, alone and with Vaya, which I would have thought is the kind of thing to stick in the mind. For you to remember only one post, which casts me in a bad light, is pretty unbelievable.
I’d really like your reasoning on phate as soon as you feel you can give it.
For my own reference, claims so far (no particular order):
1. Me, miller
2. Alma, miller
3. Glork, likely death miller (not actually claimed)
4. UK, sanity checker
5. Phate, cop/converter
6. SB, semi-identical cop/converter - inno on Phate
7. Faraday, cop
8. SSK, one shot cop who takes alignment of investigatee for investigation purposes
Unclaimed: iec, SP, Pom, Vaya
Am I missing anything?
Given this list, I’m tempted to call for massclaim just because almost everyone has claimed, but I can’t see it doing much good.
I think it’s pretty suspect that SB didn’t notice iec wasn’t on his own list.
So, looking at my likely scum pool:
SP I’ve got a townie read on.
SSK I don’t like at all. Rereading him in iso, it’s notable how he hardly gives any reasons why people are scum. I think when IIoA is this extreme, it’s definitely a scumtell. The main mitigating factor is his very early claim. His 99% breadcrumb I actually find relatively convincing – I can’t think of many roles with which he could have claimed to have had 99% certainty. Being the first to claim, in such a certain way, points to him being town.
Pom – Quite a lot of fluff. Her case on Almaster (iso 29) isn’t a good one – she argues that Almaster is scum for being hypocritical regarding scumhunting and IIoA. Well, hypocrisy isn’t a scumtell – and moreover, I think it’s odd to think of it as one. (Much) later, Pom says she “isn’t an energetic scumhunter” and “often procrastinates in regard to scumhunting”. I can readily believe these, but they sit quite badly with taking someone else to task over lack of scumhunting – if you are similarly afflicted, I would have though you’d understand when someone else isn’t scumhunting. I think Pom reads pretty scummy.
iec – I had problems with iec during day 1, but his recent posts feel very protown to me. I don’t want to lynch him today.
SB – no real read here. As above, her recent failure to notice iec wasn’t on his scumlist I find very suspicious.
So the lynches I’m most up for today are Pom, SB and SSK. I think that’s my order of preference atm.
vote: Pom
