Micro 1084 | Quantum Mafia | Game Over

[qm camille]

votecount 1.3

• Ircher [2]:
  imaginality (12), biancospino (74)
  
  heipizhu4 [2]:
  Doctor Drew (84), JasonWazza (86)
  
  imaginality [1]:
  Ircher (14)
  
  JasonWazza [1]:
  Merlyn (23)
  
  Merlyn [1]:
  ceejayvinoya (30)
  
  biancospino [1]:
  heipizhu4 (87)
  
  
  no elimination [1]:
  Aliana (70)
  
  it takes 5 votes to put someone in the box
  
  
  deadline:
  (expired on 2023-06-30 17:07:12)

Spoiler: votelog

Doctor Drew votes Aliana (3)
JasonWazza votes Doctor Drew (10)
imaginality votes Ircher (12)
Aliana votes Aliana (13)
Ircher votes imaginality (14)
Merlyn votes JasonWazza (23)
ceejayvinoya votes Merlyn (30)
JasonWazza votes Merlyn (60)
JasonWazza votes Ircher (60)
heipizhu4 unvotes (63)
Aliana votes no elimination (70)
biancospino votes Ircher (74)
Doctor Drew votes heipizhu4 (84)
JasonWazza votes heipizhu4 (86)
heipizhu4 votes hiepizhu4 (87)
heipizhu4 unvotes (87)
heipizhu4 votes biancospino (87)

joint moderator ISO

[JasonWazza]

rest assured, all rules are written down in the moderator thread

@Mod: Are all rules considered active at all times, even if they aren't public knowledge?

[Doctor Drew]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

[heipizhu4]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

[JasonWazza]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

Lol, I do kinda vibe with this.

I mostly just find it weird why someone would feel the need to say this, over just doing it.

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

Why do you feel the need to make everyone talk about the mechanics of the game?

[heipizhu4]

Anyone else just wanna wing this and play it like a regular game of Mafia until the mechanics screws us over?

So where should we start? Like:
VOTE: imagine as a pressure post for having the least post count?

So, imagine, do you have any thought on this game currently, either about the mechanic or the reads on players?

Why do you feel the need to make everyone talk about the mechanics of the game?

Because the machanic is one of the most important parts of this game (or I won't come to join this word game against the mod lol). Possible benefits include:

• Collective creativity
  
• Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)
  
• Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs. Tbh, let someone discuss the machanics should be easier to ask for reads here I guess?

[JasonWazza]

Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.

There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?

Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)

So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?

Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.

[heipizhu4]

Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.

There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?

Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)

So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?

Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.

Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.

Isn't it Common knowledge that scum have more information than the town? As we all know, the game is about 'uninformed majority' vs 'informed minority' and you just stopped us from getting more info.

[heipizhu4]

no Sample PM's

Sorry, never trust the mod in a bastard game lol. Even the sample pm is given, how can you be sure scums have exactly the same amount of info as the town (execept they know their partners)? Apply the same logic on you, you basically admit scum and say 'I don't know more info about the setup than the town', aren't you?

[JasonWazza]

Isn't it Common knowledge that scum have more information than the town?

The knowledge they have is of their alignment, and as a general rule of thumb in other games, the fact that they are likely the only team with their alignment, we are not playing a standard game, so that likely isn't even true (we have knowledge of a Quantum Goon Role card, that doesn't mean there isn't more fuckery afoot)

So Mafia's information is their partner, compared to Town who don't have info as to who is on their team.

Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.

I mean, if somehow you don't die, i'm down to try again till you do.

P-Edit:

no Sample PM's

Sorry, never trust the mod in a bastard game lol. Even the sample pm is given, how can you be sure scums have exactly the same amount of info as the town (execept they know their partners)? Apply the same logic on you, you basically admit scum and say 'I don't know more info about the setup than the town', aren't you?

To be clear, i'm not the one assuming they do or don't know anything, you are, my accusations are at the fact that you seem to be implying they have more knowledge, when at least a town player shouldn't believe that is truth.

I don't think talking about mechanics helps town right now (especially since we don't know if someone on the Town side has something that interacts with these mechanics, and would be best left undisclosed.)

[JasonWazza]

and as a general rule of thumb in other games OF THIS SIZE

EBWOP

[bugspray]

rest assured, all rules are written down in the moderator thread

@Mod: Are all rules considered active at all times, even if they aren't public knowledge?

No comment.

[heipizhu4]

To be clear, i'm not the one assuming they do or don't know anything, you are, my accusations are at the fact that you seem to be implying they have more knowledge, when at least a town player shouldn't believe that is truth.

Fair. Probably I got myself tunneled into taking that 'scum know more about the setup'. Thanks for pointing it out!

I don't think talking about mechanics helps town right now (especially since we don't know if someone on the Town side has something that interacts with these mechanics, and would be best left undisclosed.)

I still think it do. I mean, I still consider that scumhunting should be as important as revealing the rules. If we put all the special rules aside, we are pushing the game into a 2v7 mountainous setup, and it definitely doesn't favor us.
Based on the experiments conducted on the last three pages, we have already altered the op in 3 different places, so I've got a feeling that the gms are revealed by discussing and forming some certain opinions somehow. So what was doing here is to treat this thread as a lab and see what exactly will happen.

[biancospino]

Yeah, I realized, but I also realized the votes are not votes that try to get me eliminated. As I infered above, box != dead. I'm fine if you guys really put me in the box to test what the box actually means, and I'm ready for sacrifice.

And, as I infered above, box~=elimination.
We vote for putting people in the box as per the VCs, somewhere in the rules it is said that we vote for elimination, so you don't get to pretend that votes for you are not in fact trying to lim you. Sacrifice is also a strange word for something you are sure is in no way death.


Weren't you the one testing the ground to see if we would accept that, if someone would appear to try to get into the box, then we should consider that maybe the box doesn't hurt scum? And how convenient, you're signaling you're fine with getting into the box now

We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol

We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

Frankly unless there's strong evidence of the contrary it's probably best to just assume there is

So if we can spot a player here playing like a jester, we may assume 'putting mafia in the box doesn't help town'?

VOTE: heip

[Ircher]

We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol

We don't even know if voting mafia to be put in the box will help town lol

We don't even know whether a scum exist here lol

Frankly unless there's strong evidence of the contrary it's probably best to just assume there is

So if we can spot a player here playing like a jester, we may assume 'putting mafia in the box doesn't help town'?

This would assume the "Mafia" have knowledge of the mechanics, and that's not necessarily true.

It's not necessarily true that mafia know more, but by being the informed minority, they have access to more information, so it's possible they know something the rest of us don't.

[Ircher]

I don't like that the votes are with post numbers so i want to test something for the next VC.

VOTE: Merlyn
VOTE: Ircher

Why don't you like it? That's a pretty common thing for mods to do.

I'm a very paranoid person, and bugspray in previous games hasn't used post numbers in VC's (i checked)

Day phases last for 168 hours (seven earth spinnies). During this time all players must vote on who to put into the box.

And i'll note that the above doesn't actually say that the deadline passes when we put X people into the box

Isn't qm camille the co-mod (i.e., not bugspray)? Maybe they are just using an automated tool that does the post linking for them to simplify things.

[Ircher]

Sample Role PMs have been made public. Additional information about the box has been made public.

Oh this is interesting. Do we learn more about the setup as we correctly guess stuff?

[Ircher]

Sample PMs:

Town Role PM

Welcome to Quantum Mafia You are a

Quantum Townie

.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Reality feels unstable.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Scum Role PM

Welcome to Quantum Mafia You are a

Quantum Goon

You have

a partner

. Each night, you and your partner can collectively choose one player to put in a box. You must choose

which of you will put

that player in the box. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when all Quantum Townies are

dead

.

Reality feels unstable.

Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role.

Bolded something out. I think I could reach some conclusions that:

• Only 2 mafias exist
  
• Which of the mafia to make the move matters. Probably it has relationship with the numbers?
  
• Dead != in the box. So could I guess the box is may be something similar as being doused in the forest fire (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Forest_Fire )setup + added to a neighborhood + some unknown effect?

1) Is a fair assumption in most micros
2) Also seems standard if we consider "put in the box" a variation on a factional kill.

[Ircher]

Heating up the discussion and try to push things away from rvs.

There are 2 real votes on you, you realize that yeah?

Fishing some gms out of the mafia's mouth (if mafia know more machanics than we do)

So your just basically admitting to being scum, and having more information aren't you?

Because you no longer have the excuse of there being no Sample PM's, so there would be no reason to assume this.

No, this is a poor argument. Just because the sample role pms don't tell anything new doesn't mean mafia don't have access to other information they could accidentally leak.

[Ircher]

I don't agree with the votes on heipizhu. I'd like to explore
VOTE: Doctor Drew instead.

[heipizhu4]

Weren't you the one testing the ground to see if we would accept that, if someone would appear to try to get into the box, then we should consider that maybe the box doesn't hurt scum? And how convenient, you're signaling you're fine with getting into the box now

If the box doesn't hurt the scum, why are we still voting anyway?
The reason why I'm fine getting into the box is that
a)I'm the newiest player here, so if we have to vote someone out, I'm the best choice among the town members
b) If I get into the box, perhaps I can get some information out of the box and benefit the town and there might be some chance for me to become a confimed townie.
c)Honestly, I signed up for this game to explore the machanics and have fun. So, being in the box can help me have some fun, why not if we are running out of choices?

[heipizhu4]

No, this is a poor argument. Just because the sample role pms don't tell anything new doesn't mean mafia don't have access to other information they could accidentally leak.

Agree. Still remember the angle and demon mafia where the flipped pm is imcomplete, so here could be also the case

Spoiler:

In that blissful moment, then
I felt myself so small, so great:
Cruelly you hurled me back again,
Into Man’s uncertain state.

Phir, the

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed.
Meuh, the

Mafia Demon

, has been killed.

You are a

mafia demon

. During the day, before the elimination, you must send me the name of a player, to offer them a bargain. You can update this as often as you like. They will be offered a power.

At night, you can discuss the nightkill in this PT. You win when the mafia are the only ones alive, or nothing can stop this from happening.

It is now day 3, with 7 alive, it is 4 to eliminate.

"Only gives watcher powers to mimes."

Greeting is not mime.

sorry, I'm writing it in short hand there. This is the full role PM and mod notes:

You are a

mafia demon

. During the day,

before

the elimination, you

must

send me the name of a player not in the mafia, to offer them a bargain. This is a compulsive action. You can update this as often as you like. They will be offered the chance to join a masonhood, a one shot vig, or a one shot watcher randomly. If they accept and die afterwards by any means, you will collect their soul and their role will not flip (but you will be told what their role was).

At night, you can discuss the nightkill with your partner xxx in this PT. You cannot kill the same person that was offered a bargain. You win when the mafia are the only ones alive, or nothing can stop this from happening.

First action given will be a watcher, then masonhood, then watcher etc. Mimes will only be offered watchers. If the game is going into the night with an uneven number, a vig will be offered.

With the added note that I realized during the game that the intention of the vig giving doesn't work the same way with the angel. It would cause the day to become even. It didn't matter because it was given to a mime, but to a townie I should've given a masonhood membership.

[heipizhu4]

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

[Merlyn]

My current reading list:
Merlyn, imagine, Alian(n)a: neutral
Not lots of posts, tbh. Merlyn has only made 3 posts (which gives little information), imagine has only 1 post in 12 as an rvs post, Aliana has some interactions with me, but kind of reluctant to think about the setup, not sure why
Doctor: a bit scumlean. Before 19, his post are all greeting posts, rather genuine. Then he skipped the gm discussion part, and voted for me. Kind of sussy, but I'll keep an eye in drew.
Bianco: townlean. Honestly. He has made several experiments on the setup, and his reasoning is fine on voting me, really.
ceej: neutral. Several one liners, just like his previous games.
Ircher: Hi, thanks for the defend! A tl on you, but not enough for a town read currently (cause the lack of information on the day1 of day1 lol)
Jason: I like his 101, but his scumread on me, idk, is 'single reasoned'. Not something I like. Neutral for now.

An ISO on myself: This player has done lots of lists and exploration on the setup, however, his intention to vote himself out is suspicious. Scumlean on him

That's another reason why I'm fine with you guys voting me. I tried to be 100% genuine here, but looking at myself's iso, I have sus on myself as well. Let's see what will happen next after I post this.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating things I see people in mafia doing. The game opened 21 hours ago , don't be throwing shade for 'low post count'. I don't like this whole, I have sus on myself thing... Like what? VOTE: hep

[heipizhu4]

on't be throwing shade for 'low post count'

That's why neutral, isn't it?