Open 871 - The Haunted Village | Postgame

[Gimli]

Agree with std on bianco

I'm gonna townread STD as well which probably means he is scum

Wrt kyoko I think her evaluation is fine, overly nitpicky is good early as it gets the game going and whatnot

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Here is my spin on bianco:

They seem like a person who is putting a lot of effort in. That's not a bad thing, just an observation. Their post 48 seemed like they were saying whatever came to their mind to me.

Post 49 by Saihara Shuichi takes issue with that by pointing out that they aren't saying much, but I think that is just a side effect of writing out their thoughts at the time.

I disagree with post 50 by Kyoko Kirigiri. Specifically, the assertion that post 48 was putting events in the way bianco wanted them; I'm not seeing that, and I don't think shading people is inherently suspicious

I actually pretty much said the same thing Saihara was seeing at the same time. Assumptions not Making any conclusions thrown out for no reason.

Unless I read what he said wrong?

The rest of it is me explaining how that can be from a mafia mind set and explaining how that behavior leads to my FoS. Usually throwing away random assumptions everywhere without trying to conclude anything is either busy working or is from a perspective that want to pain everyone guilty. bianco been doing that on that first post.

I have to admit though, pushing this further and him questioning back my FoS, was sounding genuine so I'm thinking more about it right now.

[Kaito Momota]

"Effort is not bad" yeah but the effort seemed fabricated IMO

That is what I disagree with; I don't think it looks fabricated, I think it looks like stream of thought

[Saihara Shuichi]

I think Kyokos one good point in her dialogue was that it seemed like busy work

I'm not gonna reiterate myself further tho

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Agree with std on bianco

I'm gonna townread STD as well which probably means he is scum

Wrt kyoko I think her evaluation is fine, overly nitpicky is good early as it gets the game going and whatnot

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[Kaito Momota]

I actually pretty much said the same thing Saihara was seeing at the same time. Assumptions not Making any conclusions thrown out for no reason.

Unless I read what he said wrong?

I think you diverged at the end where you said that they were putting events together to work towards a goal

[Gimli]

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Is there something on your mind now?

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

Can someone explain Not Mafia's list to me? I have my assumptions about who is who but am not sure.

[Kaito Momota]

Usually throwing away random assumptions everywhere without trying to conclude anything is either busy working or is from a perspective that want to pain everyone guilty.

This is a fair point

[Save The Dragons]

i dunno shit about his list

[Save The Dragons]

i assume pingu is penguin and not_mafia is not_mafia

[Gimli]

Can someone explain Not Mafia's list to me? I have my assumptions about who is who but am not sure.

I wanna be Sandra bollocks

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

I actually pretty much said the same thing Saihara was seeing at the same time. Assumptions not Making any conclusions thrown out for no reason.

Unless I read what he said wrong?

I think you diverged at the end where you said that they were putting events together to work towards a goal

well, I didn't. I just probably didn't explain what was in my mind completely.

you see when a mafia mindset starts the day, they have a lot of slots in front of them that they know are innocent. experienced mafia and some people get extremely focused on specific slots to act confident, but in general most natural reaction is, not knowing where is the best place to push against and frame. This uncertainty makes them list a bunch of random events and talk about them as they know the target is guilty (when they know they aren't) To put it simply, listing events like that and making repeated assumptions is something that makes less sense from a town mindset, as they have no knowledge and are actually investigating/waiting for more events to get info from.

[Gimli]

VOTE: Wednesday Addams

[Kyoko Kirigiri]

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Is there something on your mind now?

Nothing conclusive

But I'm happy that you can see what I'm trying to do.

[Saihara Shuichi]

I think Kyoko 's elongated format of reasoning is cute

Townread for now, everyone else who knows

[Gimli]

VOTE: Wednesday Addams

I know it's a bit of a reach but I think the scummiest thing in the game has been Wednesday posting a 'first' and then disappearing from the game for the next like 19 hours

Doesn't help that all I see in front of me are nulltown or townreads. Kyoko's posting is what I expect, STD has been sharp which is good to see, furtive actually reading the introduction posts and making mech spec that's useful for town is probably very towny of him, bianco's response to pressure has been good and everyone else is at least sensible. So >rand scum in the people not posting? Maybe.

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: Kyoko/bianco

I'll answer intraquote, blue is mine

I have to things to mention regarding this post.

I don't follow the assumptions about how mentioning "Wednesday" was emotional/pocketing or in any way sus. It just was a non-game-related poke at a great username on first page of a mafia game with no game related content to discuss.

I don't get jokes much. And if I did though it was sus, I would have said so, which I haven't.

the second thing is that this post is actually filled with assumptions and no conclusions. For example in the first paragraph, you're assuming Kokichi is actually having a reason to sus STD and he is not aiming to find a reaction and make progress which is the point of RVS.

Yes. Even if they aren't, I don't see what's the problem in actually producing a reaction assuming they were, isn't that the point?

Secondly you're assuming that Fuyuhiko's vote was serious. His intentions to vote is not yet clear by any means as we have to wait and see where he is going with that line of thought.

He offered a game-related reason for the vote. I don't care if it was or wasn't serious, it was not RVS regardless.

secondly, you say voting for them might be a "soft pocketing". Is this based on some previous interaction between those two slots in another game?

No, at least not that I know of. In fact I remarked multiple time how I don't know meta

If not how you concluded that his aggressive reaction and vote is an instance of pocketing?

I concluded that it might yes. And I don't get where you took the aggressive from, I was talking about

not seeing

the stated reason for the vote to furtive.

and then you add another hypothesis and say it's to redirect attention. Why would he - assuming he is up for no good - would want to redirect people's attention away from his previous RVS vote on page 1?

there is no previous RVS vote of std on page 1, so I don't understand what you're asking. I meant distracting from Fuyuikos' vote, which I also said I don't consider RVS. And I said it myself that I don't believe in this hypothesis.
I'm beginning to think I may need to work on my language skills.

All these assumptions, told out loud, don't seem to be coming up from a game-solving perspective. Its more like putting events the way you want them to be for your goal rather than finding that goal. All that being said the way you caught up on these two pages, it looks like shading and for that, I'll put my first FOS on you.

VOTE: biancospino

Well, that's not much of a FoS if you then actually vote.

My main point is that you talk about multiple - kinda baseless assumptions - without using them to get anywhere or make conclusions.

It just seems busy working. Also, it's shady because you mentioned everything that happened in the past 2 pages - assuming everyone with a hidden scummy motivation - without trying to conclude it or commit to any decisions if they were scummy or not.

Also whats wrong with voting a FOS?

Kyoko/bianco looks T/T to me initially

Spoiler: PP

Hello Penguin

Want to expand on your biancospino vote?

Equivalent wagon + more difficult name than yours = vote to become largest wagon

I remember PP chainsawing early game in Datisi's Cafe as town so this is something he does, not sure it's +town or neutral

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I'd like to know who Crotch Goblin of Woe is at least.

Spoiler: Gimli

Agree with std on bianco

I'm gonna townread STD as well which probably means he is scum

Wrt kyoko I think her evaluation is fine, overly nitpicky is good early as it gets the game going and whatnot

"Effort is not bad" yeah but the effort seemed fabricated IMO

I don't like the bolded. Have you townread scum!STD before?

That is what I disagree with; I don't think it looks fabricated, I think it looks like stream of thought

VOTE: Wednesday Addams

I know it's a bit of a reach but I think the scummiest thing in the game has been Wednesday posting a 'first' and then disappearing from the game for the next like 19 hours

Doesn't help that all I see in front of me are nulltown or townreads. Kyoko's posting is what I expect, STD has been sharp which is good to see, furtive actually reading the introduction posts and making mech spec that's useful for town is probably very towny of him, bianco's response to pressure has been good and everyone else is at least sensible. So >rand scum in the people not posting? Maybe.

Vote + thoughts all look a bit surface level and conclusion of >rand scum in non-posters is non-confrontational in a way

VOTE: Gimli

[Wednesday Addams]

VOTE: Wednesday Addams

I know it's a bit of a reach but I think the scummiest thing in the game has been Wednesday posting a 'first' and then disappearing from the game for the next like 19 hours

Doesn't help that all I see in front of me are nulltown or townreads. Kyoko's posting is what I expect, STD has been sharp which is good to see, furtive actually reading the introduction posts and making mech spec that's useful for town is probably very towny of him, bianco's response to pressure has been good and everyone else is at least sensible. So >rand scum in the people not posting? Maybe.

VOTE: Gimli

Why is that scummy?

If that’s the best you can do, you’re either scum or not trying very hard.

Plus your opening post to me looked a bit like buddying.

[Wednesday Addams]

Hiiiii I'm drunk and at a party and town and have no battery left

Kinda want Wednesday Addams to be a wolf and to pocket and make a fool of me

Glad to be playing with y'all

Hi Wednesday

I haven’t actually read anything since I posted but you totally deserve it for that vote.

[Wednesday Addams]

I will hard defend std the entire gameday so gl pushing him

I don’t know what STD is but since when have you become an expert?

[Save The Dragons]

i won't say anything in case you're not outed but if i could bet money as to who's alt you are i would

[Gimli]

Vote + thoughts all look a bit surface level and conclusion of >rand scum in non-posters is non-confrontational in a way

VOTE: Gimli

Locktown

[Gimli]

All pushes on me are towny

Mafia too hard

VOTE: kokichi

[Gimli]

Im so non confrontational I'm gonna townread everyone that wants me dead apparently