In post 87, Umlaut wrote:Cape even more town for backing off on Jacket at a moment when it's a very defensible wagon to be on.
Shiki, explain why you think otherwise? Idgi.
i am having a very difficult time following their thought process as town
like it feels very a to f
like post is seemingly made for content production reasons, cape disagrees with it, which to cape means the forced content is more likely to be coming from mafia?
when asked about this though, cape says that all reads made on rvs posts are not good though,
and then after looker moves votes and it feels like waves are moving away from jacket,
it felt to me like cape was like, moving towards townreading jacket in what felt like a kinda forced progression to me, as the whole coalition approach that cape specifically cited as +town for jacket seemed pretty hmmmmm to me
I really don't agree that "waves are moving away from jacket" is a good description of the game state when Cape changed votes. Looker moved vote away but as far as I can tell it was just because they weren't ready for E-1, not because they were particularly townreading Jacket. I don't entirely understand that argument that they're town but I don't need to understand it exactly to see the vote change as, like, the opposite of opportunistic.
still waiting on looker to expand on reasoning but that seems decent assumption to me as i talked about before
it feels that way to me as i don’t often see wagons like that immediately go back up (though are often revisited later) so seems like an opportunity for scum to make like ‘believable progression’ posts and the progression itself didn’t really make sense to me
is there salvation for you when a game is finished?
In post 87, Umlaut wrote:Cape even more town for backing off on Jacket at a moment when it's a very defensible wagon to be on.
Shiki, explain why you think otherwise? Idgi.
i am having a very difficult time following their thought process as town
like it feels very a to f
like post is seemingly made for content production reasons, cape disagrees with it, which to cape means the forced content is more likely to be coming from mafia?
when asked about this though, cape says that all reads made on rvs posts are not good though,
and then after looker moves votes and it feels like waves are moving away from jacket,
it felt to me like cape was like, moving towards townreading jacket in what felt like a kinda forced progression to me, as the whole coalition approach that cape specifically cited as +town for jacket seemed pretty hmmmmm to me
I really don't agree that "waves are moving away from jacket" is a good description of the game state when Cape changed votes. Looker moved vote away but as far as I can tell it was just because they weren't ready for E-1, not because they were particularly townreading Jacket. I don't entirely understand that argument that they're town but I don't need to understand it exactly to see the vote change as, like, the opposite of opportunistic.
still waiting on looker to expand on reasoning but that seems decent assumption to me as i talked about before
it feels that way to me as i don’t often see wagons like that immediately go back up (though are often revisited later) so seems like an opportunity for scum to make like ‘believable progression’ posts and the progression itself didn’t really make sense to me
In post 27, Jacket wrote:It's a gut read. It's fine if you disagree. It will likely end up meaningless in the long term. But why should making a gut read you disagree with make me mafia?
You're saying 15 was an actual read and not just page 1 shitposting?
In post 46, Umlaut wrote:Yes, exactly that, I just like getting wagons going early.
This is a real vote though, I think you've read everything aimed in your direction as unduly serious in a way that suggests a scummy hypersensitivity.
This is my first normal blitz, but when you realized that jacket's push was serious and then you put him at E-1 shouldn't there have been a request for him to claim?
In post 27, Jacket wrote:It's a gut read. It's fine if you disagree. It will likely end up meaningless in the long term. But why should making a gut read you disagree with make me mafia?
You're saying 15 was an actual read and not just page 1 shitposting?
In post 46, Umlaut wrote:Yes, exactly that, I just like getting wagons going early.
This is a real vote though, I think you've read everything aimed in your direction as unduly serious in a way that suggests a scummy hypersensitivity.
This is my first normal blitz, but when you realized that jacket's push was serious and then you put him at E-1 shouldn't there have been a request for him to claim?
In post 70, shiki wrote:like you've made no effort to sort me, you say your read of bugspray may be biased but don't seem to be taking steps to figure out if so or not, you're townreading looker for ??? reasons
Prior to this you had 5 posts, all of which were incredibly underwhelming. I had you as highly likely to be scum, I was just holding off on saying it. The thing about trying to POE the game on day 1 is that I don't actually need to "sort" you, I just need to get the correct townreads. Same deal with bugspray. I felt they were being bizarrely overconfident in speaking for cape and jumping on me in a way that did't really make sense. If they're town being obnoxious, that's kind of whatever.
Looker come from a bit of experience in the game we were scum together. It's not a strong read still but felt like actually calling someone out for inactivity was proactive for him.
In post 27, Jacket wrote:It's a gut read. It's fine if you disagree. It will likely end up meaningless in the long term. But why should making a gut read you disagree with make me mafia?
You're saying 15 was an actual read and not just page 1 shitposting?
In post 46, Umlaut wrote:Yes, exactly that, I just like getting wagons going early.
This is a real vote though, I think you've read everything aimed in your direction as unduly serious in a way that suggests a scummy hypersensitivity.
This is my first normal blitz, but when you realized that jacket's push was serious and then you put him at E-1 shouldn't there have been a request for him to claim?
uh, no?
Okay.
like purpose of claim at e-1 is to prevent a pr elimination like a fallback plan in case a pr is wagoned
but if the e-1 doesn’t come with real threat of elimination (as had someone yolo hammered that and jacket flipped town the hammerer pretty likely to have a lot of {probably futile} explaining to do) then claim has no benefit and only downside
so while should definitely make it clear it’s e-1 in that situation expectation of claim would be ?
In post 70, shiki wrote:like you've made no effort to sort me, you say your read of bugspray may be biased but don't seem to be taking steps to figure out if so or not, you're townreading looker for ??? reasons
Prior to this you had 5 posts, all of which were incredibly underwhelming. I had you as highly likely to be scum, I was just holding off on saying it. The thing about trying to POE the game on day 1 is that I don't actually need to "sort" you, I just need to get the correct townreads. Same deal with bugspray. I felt they were being bizarrely overconfident in speaking for cape and jumping on me in a way that did't really make sense. If they're town being obnoxious, that's kind of whatever.
Looker come from a bit of experience in the game we were scum together. It's not a strong read still but felt like actually calling someone out for inactivity was proactive for him.
based on what exactly? the problem with poeing the game like this is it doesn’t actually incentivize the thing you are claiming it does not does it give any leeway for you being wrong
The petty part of me wants to say shiki comes off as incredibly threatened right now but I'm holding off on doing it. I think Vanderscamp is the best flip, by a lot.
In post 94, Little Green Wheels wrote:"I don't really care" doesn't help me understand why you said my posts were the scummiest. I know you say it was a gut read, but it's hard to counter a gut read, like it can be a default read when you don't have anything to support your initial read. I don't know if that was the case here. So I guess what I'm asking is what caused your brain to call my posts the scummiest and then vote for me. I don't want to probe it a whole lot, but you wanted to kill me over it, so I think I deserve more than "gut read."
The problem with that is that I don't really care about motivations for opening posts. Anyone can claim a plausible "motivation" for opening fluff. I pick at vibes, at feelings. Claiming I wanted to "kill" you because of a page 1 vote is a little over the top.
In post 70, shiki wrote:like you've made no effort to sort me, you say your read of bugspray may be biased but don't seem to be taking steps to figure out if so or not, you're townreading looker for ??? reasons
Prior to this you had 5 posts, all of which were incredibly underwhelming. I had you as highly likely to be scum, I was just holding off on saying it. The thing about trying to POE the game on day 1 is that I don't actually need to "sort" you, I just need to get the correct townreads. Same deal with bugspray. I felt they were being bizarrely overconfident in speaking for cape and jumping on me in a way that did't really make sense. If they're town being obnoxious, that's kind of whatever.
Looker come from a bit of experience in the game we were scum together. It's not a strong read still but felt like actually calling someone out for inactivity was proactive for him.
based on what exactly? the problem with poeing the game like this is it doesn’t actually incentivize the thing you are claiming it does not does it give any leeway for you being wrong
In post 94, Little Green Wheels wrote:"I don't really care" doesn't help me understand why you said my posts were the scummiest. I know you say it was a gut read, but it's hard to counter a gut read, like it can be a default read when you don't have anything to support your initial read. I don't know if that was the case here. So I guess what I'm asking is what caused your brain to call my posts the scummiest and then vote for me. I don't want to probe it a whole lot, but you wanted to kill me over it, so I think I deserve more than "gut read."
The problem with that is that I don't really care about motivations for opening posts. Anyone can claim a plausible "motivation" for opening fluff. I pick at vibes, at feelings. Claiming I wanted to "kill" you because of a page 1 vote is a little over the top.
Let's go with that then. What about my posts caused you to experience the vibe or feeling of voting me? What am I supposed to take from you that says okay this is why he did this?
In post 94, Little Green Wheels wrote:"I don't really care" doesn't help me understand why you said my posts were the scummiest. I know you say it was a gut read, but it's hard to counter a gut read, like it can be a default read when you don't have anything to support your initial read. I don't know if that was the case here. So I guess what I'm asking is what caused your brain to call my posts the scummiest and then vote for me. I don't want to probe it a whole lot, but you wanted to kill me over it, so I think I deserve more than "gut read."
The problem with that is that I don't really care about motivations for opening posts. Anyone can claim a plausible "motivation" for opening fluff. I pick at vibes, at feelings. Claiming I wanted to "kill" you because of a page 1 vote is a little over the top.
Let's go with that then. What about my posts caused you to experience the vibe or feeling of voting me? What am I supposed to take from you that says okay this is why he did this?
And as for wanting to kill me, isn't this what you were defending here?
In post 94, Little Green Wheels wrote:"I don't really care" doesn't help me understand why you said my posts were the scummiest. I know you say it was a gut read, but it's hard to counter a gut read, like it can be a default read when you don't have anything to support your initial read. I don't know if that was the case here. So I guess what I'm asking is what caused your brain to call my posts the scummiest and then vote for me. I don't want to probe it a whole lot, but you wanted to kill me over it, so I think I deserve more than "gut read."
The problem with that is that I don't really care about motivations for opening posts. Anyone can claim a plausible "motivation" for opening fluff. I pick at vibes, at feelings. Claiming I wanted to "kill" you because of a page 1 vote is a little over the top.
Let's go with that then. What about my posts caused you to experience the vibe or feeling of voting me? What am I supposed to take from you that says okay this is why he did this?
I don't really like explaining this stuff because it's very slight and based of feelings. I just looked at the first post and said, these might be a little awkward, a little out of place. It's not more complicated than that.
The thing is, faking that sort of reasoning would be really easy too.
In post 94, Little Green Wheels wrote:"I don't really care" doesn't help me understand why you said my posts were the scummiest. I know you say it was a gut read, but it's hard to counter a gut read, like it can be a default read when you don't have anything to support your initial read. I don't know if that was the case here. So I guess what I'm asking is what caused your brain to call my posts the scummiest and then vote for me. I don't want to probe it a whole lot, but you wanted to kill me over it, so I think I deserve more than "gut read."
The problem with that is that I don't really care about motivations for opening posts. Anyone can claim a plausible "motivation" for opening fluff. I pick at vibes, at feelings. Claiming I wanted to "kill" you because of a page 1 vote is a little over the top.
Let's go with that then. What about my posts caused you to experience the vibe or feeling of voting me? What am I supposed to take from you that says okay this is why he did this?
And as for wanting to kill me, isn't this what you were defending here?
