PRESIDENTMAKER! Game Over! TOWN WINS??!!

[Lowell]

Okay sorry, didn't read the rules yet.

But the groups of 3 idea is still pretty sound, I think. If we assume we've got, maybe, 6 scum in this game, it's highly likely we could get a group of 3 (selected randomly) that doesn't contain any scum. That would potentially clear 3 people on one day, when whoever they voted for turned out to be President.

Alternately, we can just do what I said before about voting for yourself, except with the variation that two players vote for each other. Though we might end up withb a scum president for the day, the person who elected him/her would be confirmed. We could agree to have said prez follow the will of the people.

[kuribo]

I don't know, I'm always leery of breaking strategies.

[armlx]

I like the groups of 3 one. The individual vote thing is awkward.

[Lowell]

I don't know, I'm always leery of breaking strategies.

I know, let's just vote randomly so that only well-known players get to be President and we learn nothing from it. Yay!

[Lowell]

vote kuribo

[armlx]

I don't know, I'm always leery of breaking strategies.

I know, let's just vote randomly so that only well-known players get to be President and we learn nothing from it. Yay!

But thats how we do thing in America, why won't it work here?

[kuribo]

that's not what I said at all.

[scotmany12]

Theory: Lowell is scum.

Rationale: If he was protown, he'd be more aware of the fact that players cannot vote themselves for president.

Vote: Lowell

Not really. It doesn't say anywhere in my role that I can't vote for myself. he most likely just didn't read the rules as he said.

[armlx]

FOS Gorgon

for that slip up.

If you were pro-scum, you wouldn't know pro-town players weren't explicitly told they couldn't vote themselves any more than the mafia were.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Bah! That was the first time ever I got nightkilled before D1.

[Skruffs]

*adds Lowell to the scum list*
Hmm.

I was going to say that I'm not sure what is the big deal about scum possibly becoming president, because they are 'forced' to either abide by the town or face a lot of consequences if they try to find a way to misexecute a townie. IE if I am the president, and scum, I am going to let YOU guys tell me who to kill and let the people who pushed that take the brunt of it if it's a mistake; which is similar to town.

At end game, now, obviously we do NOT want scum to be in the presidency; they would be able to quick end the game. But if I were to kill someone today abruotly, as scum, it would probably get m vigegd or killed the next day.

Inasmuch; I can vouch (and you players from the future reading over the game, long after I am dead) that the pro-town voters in this game have RANDOMLY done a great job in picking a pro-town president.

Other games where this sort of thing has eben a factor is Big Brother mafia, where a single player could choose two players, only of which could be lynched each day, and Exile mafia (which unfortunately was abandoned) in which players voted at night for the top two players to be lynched the next day. This is inverted in that instead of voting who to be lynched we are voting who to be teh Decision Maker.


BTW: I will offer a cabinet position (for as long as I am in tenure) for any player who makes a Memorandum as to who voted who last night. I think that, barring investigations etc that we should try to keep scum on their toes by forcing everyone to claim who they voted for.

DGB: You *Are* gutsy enough to claim to have not voted as town or as scum, but you better hope someone else has a worse claim, true or not.

[Flameaxe]

I'll collect the votes, Skruffs. Got nothing better to do...I voted for Mars, basically randomly.

[farside22]

I'll collect the votes, Skruffs. Got nothing better to do...I voted for Mars, basically randomly.

Are you going to go over what everyone claimed at this point and make a count?

[Flameaxe]

Pssh, no.

jkjkjkjk

[Flameaxe]

But really, I should have it up by the end of the night. Once I stop triple tasking, I should be good.

[Flameaxe]

Votes--

Flameaxe--Mars
DGB--No Vote
Armlx--Flameaxe
Andersonw--CKD
Hackerhuck--DGB

Rough list. I'm gonna run through again in case I missed any though.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Vote: Qman

[Gorgon]

Theory: Lowell is scum.

Rationale: If he was protown, he'd be more aware of the fact that players cannot vote themselves for president.

Vote: Lowell

Not really. It doesn't say anywhere in my role that I can't vote for myself. he most likely just didn't read the rules as he said.

FOS Gorgon

for that slip up.

If you were pro-scum, you wouldn't know pro-town players weren't explicitly told they couldn't vote themselves any more than the mafia were.

Note that I said "he'd be more aware of the fact that ...", not "he'd know that ...". Semantics, I know, but they sometimes matter.

Before voting, I read the rules in the thread to be sure of what I was supposed to do, and noticed, among other things, that I couldn't vote for myself. I felt this was the natural thing to do before casting a vote.

My line of thought was therefore that scum would be more likely than townies to not know that players can't vote for themselves, as they would care less than townies about the exact protocol that the 'elections' follow. In other words, townies would be more aware of the rules than scum.

Capiche?

[ZONEACE]

I'm gonna have to side with gorgon on this one. While i don't think its necessariliy indicitive of scum that lowell didn't read the rules its Certainly not indicitive of scum for gorgon to have expected lowell to have known who he could and could not vote for.

[Flameaxe]

Y'all need to claim president votes.

[Gorgon]

Y'all need to claim president votes.

Skruffs, as already stated, I believe.

[Crub]

Y'all need to claim president votes.

You <3

[Flameaxe]

Votes--

Flameaxe--Mars
DGB--No Vote
Armlx--Flameaxe
Andersonw--CKD
Hackerhuck--DGB
Gorgot--Skruffs*

[Flameaxe]

Votes--

Flameaxe--Mars
DGB--No Vote
Armlx--Flameaxe
Andersonw--CKD
Hackerhuck--DGB
Gorgon--Skruffs*
Crub--Flameaxe(2)

[scotmany12]

I voted for skruffs.