Mini 1668 - Mafia in Bremen - Game Over!

[TheDudeAbides]

VOTE: Rune

Are you serious? Page 3 and you're already wondering about multiball?

I'm not buying that from town. That sounds like scum with a team comp which suggests multiball, ie bulletproof / goon.

Nah. He's town.

[TheDudeAbides]

I'll be v/la until Monday unfortunately. I'll try to post as much as i can. In the meantime UNVOTE:

I definitely have some reads developing here, nothing concrete, will post as soon as I can.

Maybe scum

[TheDudeAbides]

Or maybe it's dannflor

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Sup. I've never self voted first post.

vote reverend

That'll give y'all something to talk about.

Toffee is a thing already?

Ok I'll read the first page instead of dicking about.

These two posts here read awkwardly. Like, he's trying too hard to be openly scummy and at the same time he's letting everyone know that he is doing it on purpose.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

33 - Reverend you accuse me here of wanting to avoid conflict. I'm going to let this pass because you haven't played with me before, but, if you truly believe this; do you think I'm likely to avoid conflict by hopping to the biggest wagons consistently?

69 - RC, why did you vote me here?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

80 - Why the vote Jake?

82 - I initially liked this post until I read it a little closer.

Note that you appear to have a problem with Reverend

if his attack on me was serious.

85 - Now, Reverend tells you that his attack on me

was serious

and you completely side-step the issue. You make no comment of his attack on me at all when you clearly had a problem with it in 82 if he was serious. This makes no sense.

88 - However, I do agree with Dannflor that this post looks town on the surface, but when you actually read it, there isn't a whole lot of content. Just a lot of 'could be this, could be that.'

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Or maybe it's dannflor

Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

Monty Python reference. I am disappoint.

Never got into mp

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Jake, why are you voting PB?

[Jake from State Farm]

80 - Why the vote Jake?

I.think he's scum

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, no shit.

Why is he scum?

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake, why are you voting PB?

See above

Also patience padawan, I'm on a phone

P.edit - I didnt like his reaction to your "wagon" especially when it wasn't even a wagon yet. Felt like he was reaching too early and didn't feel genuine

[Jake from State Farm]

Plus his other posts haven't impressed me

[TheReverend]

33 - Reverend you accuse me here of wanting to avoid conflict. I'm going to let this pass because you haven't played with me before, but, if you truly believe this; do you think I'm likely to avoid conflict by hopping to the biggest wagons consistently?

I'm saying it struck me as weird that someone who was happy to wagon hop in RVS would not start a wagon on someone who had done something that you felt was worthy of your displeasure. That made me think you were trying to avoid conflict with me. I'm certainly not expecting you to continue to avoid conflict, whatever your alignment. I just found it odd that was your reaction to my self vote.

These two posts here read awkwardly. Like, he's trying too hard to be openly scummy and at the same time he's letting everyone know that he is doing it on purpose.

Why is my self vote scummy? Have you ever seen scum self vote first post? Do you see the town motivation in self voting first post?

[TheReverend]

I don't think his wagon fetish and ignoring your self vote is scummy.

He didn't ignore my self vote. He said he should vote me for it but there's no wagon. That's what I felt was weird. Why does town not start a wagon there? Why does town even care if there's an existing wagon or not, especially in RVS?

[TheReverend]

wall

This is a lot of words to explain a few vague town reads.

[TheReverend]

Monty Python reference. I am disappoint.

Indeed. I was amused by the brain/brian typo. I'm easily amused.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm saying it struck me as weird that someone who was happy to wagon hop in RVS would not start a wagon on someone who had done something that you felt was worthy of your displeasure. That made me think you were trying to avoid conflict with me. I'm certainly not expecting you to continue to avoid conflict, whatever your alignment. I just found it odd that was your reaction to my self vote.

Is there any reason you think I would want to avoid conflict with you as opposed to everybody else in the thread?

Why is my self vote scummy? Have you ever seen scum self vote first post? Do you see the town motivation in self voting first post?

It's the way you did it and what you posted afterwards. You're trying to be overtly scummy whilst explaining that you're being scummy. I see this most likely coming from scum.

No, there is no town motivation in self voting.

Also, if you don't think self voting is scummy, what made you think it would 'give people something to talk about'?

[TheReverend]

Is there any reason you think I would want to avoid conflict with you as opposed to everybody else in the thread?

You might not have played with me before, but you know me from the poker forum, and you surely know how tenacious I can be. You certainly know I'm a high content player.

No, there is no town motivation in self voting.

So reaction baiting is not town motivated?

Also, if you don't think self voting is scummy, what made you think it would 'give people something to talk about'?

Just because I don't think it's scummy, doesn't mean I'm not going to get anything from the reactions. Other people might think it's scummy, or better still, other people might say they think it's scummy while doing a bad job of convincing me of the sincerity of that position.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You might not have played with me before, but you know me from the poker forum, and you surely know how tenacious I can be. You certainly know I'm a high content player.

I can't say I do know this. I certainly would prefer conflict with one person over potentially a whole game's worth of people.

So reaction baiting is not town motivated?

Sure. Nothing scum can't fake though.

Just because I don't think it's scummy, doesn't mean I'm not going to get anything from the reactions. Other people might think it's scummy, or better still, other people might say they think it's scummy while doing a bad job of convincing me of the sincerity of that position.

Right, so you knew self-voting would be considered scummy?

Is that why you had to make clear you knew it would be scummy before you did it?

[Rune]

@Dannflor (and somewhat Reverend)

I think you made some decent points in response to my posts, and I agree that I did not have particularly strong scumreads at that point - at this point that would be impressive [if accurate].

The purpose of me posting what I feel could be scummy and what I feel is insufficient [and therefore null] is to hold people accountable. Obviously my comment on Jake was fluff, but he responded explaining why he hasn't posted so far yet. To me, that validates my post about him. I will be scumhunting from the pool of the 12 other players in this game, not only the 3 or 4 who are active, and so I think it is important to hold people accountable for their post count, post length and quality (PB - really not doing a great job here), etc... and not let lurking slide. And obviously I didn't call everyone out for it yet, but as we progress, if I want to see more from someone, I will not hesitate to say so.

I understand being wary of my light reads, but if there is a point in them that you actually disagree with I'd be more than happy to discuss it further.

Regarding my vote on BBT, it was essentially his own logic but applied to what I considered to be an anti-town position. At this point, looking at the vote count, I am not happy with my vote, as I both like BBT's play better and also am wary of my voting companions.

VOTE: unvote

My strongest read right now is on Brain, who has managed to post a lot but without adding any content, and I'd discourage that. At the very least, his behaviour seems quite anti-town.

VOTE: Brain

[Rune]

@TheDude

You've made a couple pretty broad statements so far - care to explain your reasoning?

[Nikanor]

Vote Count 1.02

Prolapsed Brain (5)

- HaVoC, TheDudeAbides, Jake from State Farm, BlueBloodedToffee, Rune

BlueBloodedToffee (2)

- Prolapsed Brain, TheReverend

Rune (2)

- RadiantCowbells, Dannflor

TheReverend (1)

- Arceus

Arceus (1)

- Dialga

Not Voting (2)

- Elyse, NotAnAxehole

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-05-14 11:36:57).

[TheReverend]

Right, so you knew self-voting would be considered scummy?

I expected it to get a reaction. As for being considered "scummy", that depends on who is reacting to it. Scum won't find it scummy because they know I'm not one of them, but they might pretend to find it scummy. Town might or might not find it scummy, and will be honest.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Your reaction would have been better had you not openly stated it would give people something to talk about, no?