Mafia 913: Wickedestjr's Mafia - Game Over
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The Quintastic One Goon
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What was the point of saying that we could have a killing role? lol.
And yes, I am super new. This is also my first non-Road To Rome experience. And to be honest neither of the IC's or SE's in either of my first two games were particularly helpful in teaching us proper scum hunting techniques. But I'm trying the best I can with as limited knowledge that I have.-
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StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
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The Quintastic One Goon
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Jack Jack of All Trades
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The Quintastic One Goon
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What am I saying that's weird? I think my statements and proofread them through my head to make sure they make sense to me before I post them. Sometimes even reading my posts two or three times to make sure what I'm saying makes sense. So I don't understand how you guys think what I'm saying is weird. Please explain.-
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Zhero Goon
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That's an oddly specific guess. Any reasoning?Jack wrote: My guess for the role setup:
1 godfather
2 goon
1 cop
1 doctor
1 roleblocker
Since we know nothing about the setup until people claim or flip, speculating about it makes it look like you're angling for claims. Hence the fishing accusations.The Quintastic One wrote: 3) I didn't considerer it rolefishing because I wasn't directly trying to ask anybody to reveal themselves as the doctor I was mentioning. I can go further into my explanation of what I thinks gonna happen, but you already said you don't like all the role talk and I don't want to upset anyone else today.
Not helping the town is a pretty weak tell when we've still got someone who hasn't posted at all, and multiple people who've only posted once.Zang wrote: Well it isn't as much him hurting the town as him not helping the town
All that said,Vote: Jack-Zhero-
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The Quintastic One Goon
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StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
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Why are we still going on about Jack being a possible cop? You know that you're painting an NK target on him, right?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Zang Mafia Scum
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Gotcha. I like talking about variables like that. That would certainly throw me for a loop though. lol.Zang wrote:Tqo-I said it because the mafia might kill Jack who the doctor protects but if we have another killing role such as vigilante then they won't want to kill the cop so they would target someone else. I am saying this because you said Jack would be scummy if he did not die and someonelse was killed.
Fine, Coug. Let's assume that Jack isn't the cop. Tell me then, why would he openly hint at that kind of ability? What are the benefits of doing such a risky move?-
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StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
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I didn't want to assume anything about Jack, but I'll bite on this one—it reads to me as if he's trying to direct the cop if that's the case. Not scummy per se, but that he's doing it openly is indeed weird. I haven't decided either way on him, but neither have I forgotten about it.The Quintastic One wrote:Fine, Coug. Let's assume that Jack isn't the cop. Tell me then, why would he openly hint at that kind of ability? What are the benefits of doing such a risky move?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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SIR CYANIDE Goon
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[quote=Sir Cyanide]Yet he doesn’t jump in on the issue, but prefers to somewhat buddy up to TQO and actually encourage him to put his vote on me,[/quote]
I wanted to start a little pressure wagon.
[quote=Sir Cyanide]They cannot be considered good reasons from any imaginable point of view. Also, he did not defend me/clear up the confusion TQO was having. I find this weird.
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However, after reading his ISO I came across this:
Spot on reasoning from Jack, basically what I was trying to explain TQO
Yet he doesn’t jump in on the issue, but prefers to somewhat buddy up to TQO and actually encourage him to put his vote on me, while I’m just trying to point out flawed game theory beliefs from TQO – something he should encourage if he was town. [/quote]
You find it weird that I didn't clear up the confusion TQO was having, when I had already made a post explaining it?
And my accusation of you "rehashing old posts" doesn't make sense? I noted that during the somewhat strange and unsure "gambit" stage you made joke posts, and then after it was less weird you came in all townie like offering an explanation even though it had already been given.
A question for you: why, when you saw that the second half of your post contradicted an earlier part, did you not remove the earlier part? It makes it seem like you are just putting together an argument instead of being sincere.-
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*reposted to make it easier to read, I keep forgetting the name needs quotes for some god forsaken reason*
I wanted to start a little pressure wagon.Sir Cyanide wrote:Yet he doesn’t jump in on the issue, but prefers to somewhat buddy up to TQO and actually encourage him to put his vote on me,
You find it weird that I didn't clear up the confusion TQO was having, when I had already made a post explaining it?Sir Cyanide wrote:They cannot be considered good reasons from any imaginable point of view. Also, he did not defend me/clear up the confusion TQO was having. I find this weird.
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However, after reading his ISO I came across this:
Spot on reasoning from Jack, basically what I was trying to explain TQO
Yet he doesn’t jump in on the issue, but prefers to somewhat buddy up to TQO and actually encourage him to put his vote on me, while I’m just trying to point out flawed game theory beliefs from TQO – something he should encourage if he was town.
And my accusation of you "rehashing old posts" doesn't make sense? I noted that during the somewhat strange and unsure "gambit" stage you made joke posts, and then after it was less weird you came in all townie like offering an explanation even though it had already been given.
A question for you: why, when you saw that the second half of your post contradicted an earlier part, did you not remove the earlier part? It makes it seem like you are just putting together an argument instead of being sincere.-
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ConfidAnon Mafia Scum
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Meh, my original interpretation of it was a trap (which probably has to do with my gut read on you.) Your posts have rubbed me the wrong way, so my vote stays.Jack, 74 wrote:I haven't voted anyone for any of those things, and never claimed that A,B, or C was suspicious (in fact I implied that A and C were not necessarily suspicious). So how is it a trap?
You could say my vote for SIR ASPERGERS was related to C, but the vote was on account of the following switch up.
QFTPaltryExcuse, 80 wrote:You're both insulting each other. Just drop the personal attacks.
When you bring up a power role, if someone has that power role, they will sometimes react in a way which makes it obvious that they have such power role. That is why it is dangerous to bring up roles early on in the game.The Quintastic One, 81 wrote:3) I didn't considerer it rolefishing because I wasn't directly trying to ask anybody to reveal themselves as the doctor I was mentioning. I can go further into my explanation of what I thinks gonna happen, but you already said you don't like all the role talk and I don't want to upset anyone else today.
The cautiousness here bugs me.Zang, 82 wrote:I'm not voting because I have 3 suspects, I want to narrow it down farther before I vote, only 2 of my 3 suspects can be scum if that. I want to have more solid information before I vote.FoS: Zang
This bothers me too. Your almost too helpful. You seem overly concerned with people who suspect you.The Quintastic One, 84 wrote:Well since I'm one of your FoS's I'll bite. Do you have any questions for me or anything else you'd like to know? Doesn't have to be about anything in particular. Could just be generic questions about my gaming philosophy, what I ate for lunch today. I don't care. lol. Just figure I'll try to help you along with the hopes of easing your suspicions of me.
Unvote: Jack
Vote: The Quintastic One
QFTStrangerCoug, 85 wrote:In other news, everybody needs to calm down. I know this is a game of Mafia, but I did not come in here with the expectation of this thread to be a war zone.
I do not like this either.The Quintastic One, 88 wrote:Either way, if Jack is the one to get lynched today I'm not convinced that I should participate. Because A) I find Cy to be more of a detriment to the town, scum or not, than Jack. And B) If Jack is lynched and he IS the town cop, that's 3 games in a row I've been in where the town cop was lynched on day 1. lol. I don't think I could live down that shame.
This is so bad on so many levels. How on earth is announcing who you think the Cop is publicly, where anyone, including scum, can read it is protown? You are way too focused on finding the Cop instead of finding scum.The Quintastic One, 94 wrote:I see it this way. ASSUMING Jack is the cop, he's either gonna be dead by night phase because Scum won't risk letting the cop have a free turn to investigate, or a doctors gonna protect him and we don't have to worry about a night kill for night 1. I don't see the scum throwing a swerve and targeting anybody else but Jack and risk having him really be the cop and ousting them.
So if Jack survives the night, and somebody else takes the kill, I will heavily suspect Jack as being scum.
And to Button-I am assuming Jack is the cop. That said, I am willingly volunteering myself to be investigated by a player who I believe to be the cop. You tell me how that in any earthly way equates a scumtell? I mean, seriously? That's bogus. Please help me understand how that is not bogus.
Analyzing night kills before we actually have a night kill is also fail. To be honest, this play is more detrimental to the town than Cyanide's insulting remarks.-
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Zang Mafia Scum
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StrangerCoug He/HimDoes not ComputeHe/Him
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Good points. I want to see how he responds.Zang wrote:Confidanon-why is Cacautiosness a bad thing? And early in your post (118) you say that your vote on Jack stays but later in that same post you unvote Jack and vote TQO.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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SIR CYANIDE Goon
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Fair enough.Jack wrote:I wanted to start a little pressure wagon.
Yes, I find that very very fucking weird. When you explain something, your goal is to make the other person understand it. If the other person does not understand it, you will have to make him understand one way or another. Explaining something and then ignoring everyone who doesn't get it is anti-town, it creates confusion.You find it weird that I didn't clear up the confusion TQO was having, when I had already made a post explaining it?
It sure doesn't. Someone voices his stance on it ("I don't get it") 2 posts before my post addressing it which does not make it something 'old', whatever the fuck you might mean with that.And my accusation of you "rehashing old posts" doesn't make sense?
Do you think going over the game at day 2 to find out who is Mafia is 'old' too, because it started at day 1? No, things that are still going on are not 'old' in this context. If TQO doesn't get something and makes posts about it, it is not 'old' and me addressing it is not 'rehashing an old issue'.
That was a fucking gambit? Seemed more like joke-posting that was misinterpreted by 90% of all people here. The explanation I gave was an attempt to make TQO understand the issue, who still did not. I'm not sure what I dislike more, TQO crying about ethics/etiquette or your play style, but I do know what's more scummy.I noted that during the somewhat strange and unsure "gambit" stage you made joke posts, and then after it was less weird you came in all townie like offering an explanation even though it had already been given.Your own blood will clean the blood for now-
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I'm fine with him having a mistaken impression. I'm more concerned with someone saying something suspicious than saying something incorrect. You think it is suspicious that I wouldn't repeat what I'd said earlier, when you were already discussing it with TQO? You implied that I made no effort to correct his assumption.SIR CYANIDE wrote:
Yes, I find that very very fucking weird. When you explain something, your goal is to make the other person understand it. If the other person does not understand it, you will have to make him understand one way or another. Explaining something and then ignoring everyone who doesn't get it is anti-town, it creates confusion.You find it weird that I didn't clear up the confusion TQO was having, when I had already made a post explaining it?
But this is my point exactly. You are saying that rehashing and explaining the issue is pro town, but I don't have an issue with the rehashing. I was noting the
It sure doesn't. Someone voices his stance on it ("I don't get it") 2 posts before my post addressing it which does not make it something 'old', whatever the fuck you might mean with that.And my accusation of you "rehashing old posts" doesn't make sense?
Do you think going over the game at day 2 to find out who is Mafia is 'old' too, because it started at day 1? No, things that are still going on are not 'old' in this context. If TQO doesn't get something and makes posts about it, it is not 'old' and me addressing it is not 'rehashing an old issue'.
That was a fucking gambit? Seemed more like joke-posting that was misinterpreted by 90% of all people here. The explanation I gave was an attempt to make TQO understand the issue, who still did not. I'm not sure what I dislike more, TQO crying about ethics/etiquette or your play style, but I do know what's more scummy.I noted that during the somewhat strange and unsure "gambit" stage you made joke posts, and then after it was less weird you came in all townie like offering an explanation even though it had already been given.contrastbetween rehashing and joke posting. It's a fairly basic assumption that mafia avoid posting in uncertain situations, instead posting when they feel secure. You can say that it's a weak argument if you want, I would probably post and point to the page number. It certainly isn't complete nonsense however, why would try and insist that it was?-
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The Quintastic One Goon
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Well I'd like to thank Sir Cyanide for posting that big point by point argument in full. When I see all of that together, it becomes clearer to me.
All I wanted was that acknowledgement that me being investigated would still be a good thing. Even if finding scum would be better.
It still makes me laugh how there are guys like Buttonman and ConfidAnon who despite all previous evidence and confidence on my part that I am indeed town, that I am somehow still scummy. It's whatever, it's natural that you're suspicious. But you couldn't be more wrong if I slapped a neon sign to your forehead that blinked every five seconds that you would be wrong.
Alot of stuff has been said that I need to analyze and see with a clear head who I think is the most scummy at this point. But in my mind Cy has at least proven my reasons for voting for him in the first place false.
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Cautiousness is not a bad thing in and of itself. However, when scum try to look town, they often overcompensate and appear overly cautious, like I believe your post appeared.Zang wrote:Confidanon-why is Cacautiosness a bad thing? And early in your post (118) you say that your vote on Jack stays but later in that same post you unvote Jack and vote TQO. Can you please explain this and what is your opinion on cyanide?
I write up my posts whilst reading the thread. The TQO post came chronologically after the Jack post. The TQO post is what caused me to change my vote.
Opinion on Cyanide is currently neutral. Abrasiveness is a nulltell, imo. Other than that, I have not seen anything particularly townie, or anything particularly scummy.
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