Open 196 - Desert Mafia Over!

[Zachrulez]

@Zach
I don't get why your vote is on me. Does your vote imply that you think I thought your vote was serious and am now saying I thought it wasn't?

I had felt as though your response to my tracker vote misrepresented the reason why I was voting for him, and saw it as a potential attack on me designed to discredit me a little.

As we went back and forth, I have come to believe that the heart of this issue is more likely to be more of a difference in play style between the two of us and that we have different expectations and interpretations of the early game.

For the moment though, I don't have a place for my vote that I would consider to be a much better place, so I figure leaving my vote on you is better than not having my vote active at all.

[Zachrulez]

Yeah, issues with the board. I wasn't sure my message even posted at all, but apparently ALL my attempts to post the same message posted...

Fixed. ~Shotty

[farside22]

jm: is your no vote during RVS always been like this or did it just start recently and why?

[jmj3000]

It started about my third game of forum mafia (this plus my newbie game make about 8) and there are times I find myself random voting due to habits I have picked up due to my offline games (as evidenced by the random vote I ended up putting on DDD in my newbie game -_-). I stopped voting in RVS due to the fact that it can more often than not can end up bad, especially in small games like this.

[farside22]

It started about my third game of forum mafia (this plus my newbie game make about 8) and there are times I find myself random voting due to habits I have picked up due to my offline games (as evidenced by the random vote I ended up putting on DDD in my newbie game -_-). I stopped voting in RVS due to the fact that it can more often than not can end up bad, especially in small games like this.

Could you provide links to these games you didn't vote during RVS?

Mod: please prod cat

Done. ~Shotty

[jmj3000]

I would if I could, but the boards they were on are only viewable by members of that particular site, and I don't think the admins would be happy with me

[farside22]

I would if I could, but the boards they were on are only viewable by members of that particular site, and I don't think the admins would be happy with me

Ah I assumed you had done this at this site as well. Is it a null tell would you say? IE you wouldn't vote during RVS as scum or town.

[jmj3000]

For me it is a null tell. I would rather put pressure on somebody with a vote that has facts to back it up than just randomly vote for somebody.

[DeathRowKitty]

lol, voting people who changed votes in the RVS. Amusing tactic.

unvote vote The Tracker

Mine was also not random, but for a different reason that Zachs

I was making a point by voting twice whilst it was still the RVS.

How do you define a random vote? Also, what exactly was the point you were making and why did you choose to vote The Tracker to make that point?

[farside22]

thetracker: why did you change your vote to Jm?

[The Tracker]

thetracker: why did you change your vote to Jm?

It was a joke during RVS, that's all. Why? Am I still voting for him?

[farside22]

thetracker: why did you change your vote to Jm?

It was a joke during RVS, that's all. Why? Am I still voting for him?

No your not voting anyone or said too much except about Haylen.

[The Tracker]

Well, I just don't have much on anyone else with the exception of Zach. I posted it somewhere but I can dig it up for you if you like.

I will say this, though: you and jmj haven't turned on any warning lights for me. My vote for j-boy was a joke, nothing more.

[DeathRowKitty]

Mod, can we get a prod on Haylen, please?

/waiting for Haylen to respond to my post

[Zachrulez]

Mod, can we get a prod on Haylen, please?

/waiting for Haylen to respond to my post

Oh heeeeeey, Haylen's lurking...

*Looks at Haylen's ISO and sees a general lack of interest in this game*

Yeah... I have a better place for my vote nao.

Unvote: Vote: Haylen

(L-1)

[Zachrulez]

I don't particularly like Cat either.

The only suspicion he seems to have expressed is on jmj, but took his vote off him...

[Shotty to the Body]

Vote Count #4 D1

Haylen (3) - farside22, DeathRowKitty , Zachrulez
jmj3000 (1) – Cat
The Tracker (1) – Haylen

Not Voting (2) - jmj3000, The Tracker

With 7 alive it will take 4 to lynch.

Haylen prodded.

[Haylen]

what was the question again? Zach, im showing complete apathy with everything right now.

[Haylen]

lol, voting people who changed votes in the RVS. Amusing tactic.

unvote vote The Tracker

Mine was also not random, but for a different reason that Zachs

I was making a point by voting twice whilst it was still the RVS.

How do you define a random vote? Also, what exactly was the point you were making and why did you choose to vote The Tracker to make that point?

Lol. I never random vote, I make a vote that is guaranteed to get a fun reaction such as voting for someone, then switching my vote to myself and making a ridiculous claim. I don't see it as the RVS, as such, for me it's more of a 'Let Hayl loose on the game and hope she doesnt break anything' stage. During the RVS, I do everything that a scum player would do later on in the game in amusing, taking the piss ways. Fake claimings my favourite, self voting, playing the newbie card (recent development) and being generally hypocritical; which is what I was doing when voting for Tracker, I slapped Zach's wrists mockingly and then did exactly what I was half heartedly telling hum off for.

Why did I choose to vote The Tracker? Im a complete nutter.

[DeathRowKitty]

That...makes no sense.

Unvote

But it sounds good.

[Zachrulez]

Why the unvote?

[DeathRowKitty]

Well, it sounds like a reasonable explanation for what I found Haylen scummy for. The part about it not making any sense was referring to the why, not the what.

Anyway,

vote: The Tracker

. He doesn't have enough votes for his relative scumminess in this game.

[farside22]

lol, voting people who changed votes in the RVS. Amusing tactic.

unvote vote The Tracker

Mine was also not random, but for a different reason that Zachs

I was making a point by voting twice whilst it was still the RVS.

How do you define a random vote? Also, what exactly was the point you were making and why did you choose to vote The Tracker to make that point?

Lol. I never random vote, I make a vote that is guaranteed to get a fun reaction such as voting for someone, then switching my vote to myself and making a ridiculous claim. I don't see it as the RVS, as such, for me it's more of a 'Let Hayl loose on the game and hope she doesnt break anything' stage. During the RVS, I do everything that a scum player would do later on in the game in amusing, taking the piss ways. Fake claimings my favourite, self voting, playing the newbie card (recent development) and being generally hypocritical; which is what I was doing when voting for Tracker, I slapped Zach's wrists mockingly and then did exactly what I was half heartedly telling hum off for.

Why did I choose to vote The Tracker? Im a complete nutter.

interigued, frightened and concerned.
The problem is I don't see anything that resembles helping the town.
The only person I feel concerned with is zach who voted you for lack of context but cat is far worse in that regards.

Zach care to explain your weak reason vote that Cat can also be considered under the same category and putting haylen at L-1

unvote:
vote: Zach

[Zachrulez]

I have no experience playing with Cat.

However, I know Haylen's play style intimately.

[Zachrulez]

Let's put it this way.

Cat hasn't posted in 5 days now and I don't know whether or not he's even still following the thread.

Haylen before today hadn't posted in 3 days, and before that post 3 days ago hadn't posted in 3 days before that. Haylen hasn't scumhunted. Haylen hasn't really done anything other than joke around and defend herself a little bit.

The above I have seen from Haylen ONLY when she plays as scum. I also know that Haylen active lurks as scum and I know she's been on MS and online via MSN messenger throughout these 6 days and has had the ability to look at this game and post.

I do not know Cat at all, never played with him before, never met him, never talked to him. He hasn't scum hunted, hasn't posted a whole hell of a lot, and has lurked a lot. Granted this is all scummy, but without knowing the player, it's hard for me to say whether he's definitely scum for it or is just flaking from this game as town. (I do think there's a good chance he's scum though.)

So here we are in this situation, 12 days gone by in a 21 day deadline, with 2 lurkers, one I have a lot more familiarity and experience with who I KNOW has done so as scum, and a lurker I have no familiarity with.

So look at it from my position. With the ability to only lynch one player at a time with the information available to me above, who do you think I should pick?