Kingmaker II-Game Over

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Petroleumjelly

Day 1:

- Votes MrBuddylee (act scummy so he doesn't get NK'd), Vaughn (random voting/buddyglork) and Bird1111 (protecting Glork). Casts suspicion on Pabs (proglork)
- Unvotes MBL after defense of him, then votes CBB
- Unvotes CBB for "giving up", unvotes Vaughn for misinterpetation
- FoSes Glork for trying to make PJ care to much about the original game (??)
- Votes Phoebus for joining the big bandwagons
- States he has town feelings against Mos/Yos2. Also against Pabs.
- LOE: Bird, Phoebus, CDB (under the radar), Pabs (only because there are 8 votes on him)
- States preferation about Bird/Phoebus execution.
- Rosso suddenly pops up in the "suspicious" list for no specific reason given by PJ, later states the reason "attacking him for PJ being PJ"
- PJ executes Rosso.

Thoughts so far: I'm really not happy with his sudden switch on thoughts. He stated only once what he found suspicious about Rosso and he immediatly executed him. Bad play or scum... leaning to scum atm.

Day 2

- Deleted stuff. Unable to read that part.
- Votes Pooky for "continues sarcastic remarks" and twomz attack.
- Revotes Bird, Votes Ubertimmy for lurking
- States Bird suspicions in a weird way. It almost seems like he's trying to back off.
- Defense against MBL
- Flashbacks alot towards the original game
- Thoughts on LOE: No: MBL, Mert, Yos2. Maybe: Pooky
- Votes SV. Reasons are quite unclear to me (gut).
- Defense against CTD.

Thoughts so far: I find it

very

convenient PJ suspected SV on gut, just when he turned up scum later. I don't like this at all. Overall play of the rest of the day seems ok. Still leaning towards scum.

Day 3

- Votes SV.
- Votes Phoebus, same reason as before. Votes Samus for Twomz's "pushing for LoE"
- Unvotes Samus after Glorks defense for Samus.
- Analysis of Pooky. Conclusion: Pabs and MBL town.
- Mixed feelings on Glork.
- Votes Der Hammer for lurking.
- Votes LL for weak voting, buddying up with Glork.
- FoS MoS for weak logic
- Votes Rikku. Reason seems obvious
- Unvotes LL for good vibes.

Thoughts so far: So far, PJ has bassicly casted suspicion on anyone who has been trying to "buddy up" with Glork, which I find pretty remarkable. I'm still leaning towards scum, only slightly less.

Day 4

- Thoughts on LoE: No: MoS. Yes: VitaminR, SV. Neutral: Smashy
- Reads MoS: still leaning towards town.
- Reads VitaminR: Decent execution
- Reads Spectrumvoid: Scummy
- Reads Battle Mage: Could be scum.
- Reads Mnowax: Decent execution.

Thoughts so far: I'm getting better vibes now. He finally explains a little better on his SV thoughts, and his analysis are ok, although I think alot of them come out as "could be executed". Currently neutral with slight scumfeelings.

Day 5

- Votes SV, Mnowax, VitaminR
- Reads Zindaras: probably town.
- Discussion with Vitty because of analysis on him

Thoughts so far: short day, same feelings: Neutral.

Day 6

- Comes up with the reading idea.
- Reads Thesp: probably town.
- Reads Lowell: probably town.
- Wait.... that's it? I'm done? Yarrrr!!!

Thoughts in general: I've had and still have mixed feelings about PJ. PJ has been on SV in a weird way whole game. I'm still torn if it was luck or bussing. All in all, I don't think he would be the play today (not that he's capable of getting hammered )

Soo.... if I had to choose between Yos2 and PJ, Yos2 would die.

That's all, Kthxbai

[VitaminR]

I'd like to know where PJ stands at this point.

[Thok]

I have reason to believe that PJ is still returning from Thespival. He may be back tonight.

[Thesp]

My apologies for my absence here - I just want to get a quick word in saying I'm back after Thespival. I'll catch up tomorrow.

And I can confirm - PJ is on a plane back home right now. He's landing late tonight.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I finally got back from Thespival...12-hour train ride -_-

[Toaster Strudel]

I'll be leaving out of town on Saturday, limited access is foreseen for a period of 2.5 weeks.

I don't have night choices so everything is under control.

[RafK]

I don't have night choices so everything is under control.

Is it wrong to say that I find this post a bit scummy? Seems to be trying to get some townie mileage out of his departure by saying he doesn't have a night choice, while also giving away that he's not Kingmaker (which a townie should not have done at this stage, IMO, certainly not so casually).

At any rate, if he's still with us in 2.5 weeks and I'm still here to ask, I'll ask him about it then.

[Thesp]

I don't have night choices so everything is under control.

Is it wrong to say that I find this post a bit scummy? Seems to be trying to get some townie mileage out of his departure by saying he doesn't have a night choice, while also giving away that he's not Kingmaker (which a townie should not have done at this stage, IMO, certainly not so casually).

At any rate, if he's still with us in 2.5 weeks and I'm still here to ask, I'll ask him about it then.

Actually, I thought it was far more likely to come from a pro-town player. And it was hysterical. And I don't like your kingmaker speculation.

[Thesp]

I forgot to add:

FOS: RafK.

[petroleumjelly]

Jelly is back! *celebratory music falters and peters out* So you can stash the party hats.

I see the page

really

hasn't moved since last I left - I thought MoS was exaggerating at Thespival about how little has been posted. I'll be frank in saying I don't feel reading anything to do with this game at the moment, but seeing as deadline is coming I'll try to wrap everything up tomorrow with final prods/pokes/questions.

[Thok]

Official Vote Count

Deadline: July 22, 3 pm PDT (4 days from now)

King petroleumjelly (0):

LOE:Zindaras, ThAdmiral, RafK, Fritzler, Cavane, Yos2

Cavane (0):
Fritzler (5):
KaleiÐoscøpe (1): mnowax, Fritzler
Lowell (0): Yosarian2, mnowax, ThAdmiral
Mastermind of Sin (2):
mnowax (6): Fritzler, Yosarian2, VitaminR, MOS
RafK (0):
ThAdmiral (2): mnowax, VitaminR, Fritzler
Thesp (0): Mastermind of Sin, ThAdmiral, KaleiÐoscøpe, mnowax
Toaster Strudel (1): Fritzler, mnowax
VitaminR (2): Toaster Streudel, mnowax
Yosarian2 (3): Fritzler
Zindaras (0): Yosarian2

Lowell's vote for phoebus in 2563 has not been counted, as phoebus has been replaced for several months.

[Zindaras]

Gone until Sunday.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Leaving tomorrow for the weekend

[petroleumjelly]

Ugh, sorry. Today turned out to be busier than I anticipated - had to have my leg looked at (doctors decided it was a spider bite), and then got caught up in a few games of on-line Settlers. I'll work double-time tomorrow. *sigh*

[Mastermind of Sin]

I told you it was a spider bite...hope it gets better

[Cavane]

Make a paste of water and meat tenderizer and put that on it. It'll sooth it and bring the swelling down a bit.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

When is the deadline?

Also, I'd really like it if you, PJ, eleborated on your choices by now. We're really left in the dark so far.

[petroleumjelly]

Okay. I'm not sure what I'm going to do at the moment, so I suspect I'll be writing up a few posts in succession.

I'll start with results from assignment.

Execute Y > X

1.) petroleumjelly (Thesp > Lowell)
2.) Thesp (Zindie > Lowell)
3.) Lowell (ThAdmiral > Zindie)
4.) Zindaras (ThAdmiral > VitaminR)
5.) ThAdmiral

missing both assigments

6.) VitaminR (RafK > Fritz)
7.) RafK (Fritz > MoS)
8.) Fritzler (TS > MoS) [from post 2554]

missing both assignments

9.) Mastermind of Sin (TS > Cavane)
10.) Toaster Strudel (Fritz, mnowax2)

no preference given,

also nothing on Cavane
11.) Cavane (mnowax2)

missing second assignment

12.) mnowax2 (KScope)

missing second assignment

13.) K-Scope (Yos2 > PJ)
14.) Yosarian2 (Thesp > PJ)

[petroleumjelly]

Actually, now that I'm starting to compile results in a few different manners so I can interpret them, I like this assignment less than before. I can see it being a litmus test for who the scum think they will not be able to push executions on, and conversely who they can easily push executions on (the catch being that scum would only know the opinions from only two people, which is not representative of the entire town). The lack of some people finishing their assignments (as well as Toaster Strudel doing an analysis on Fritzler when she wasn't supposed to) also makes coming up a firm graph difficult.

If anybody's on-line and wants to make suggestions, I'll listen to them, but in the meanwhile I'm going to read over the analyses.

[Mastermind of Sin]

My first suggestion is don't execute Thesp (I forget if he's on the LoE). My second suggestion is...iunno...I'll come up with something eventually.

[petroleumjelly]

Well, I won't be using that LoE. I'm gonna switch it up once I read over everything. That list was only to get people to finish their assignments.

[petroleumjelly]

Twice preferred execution

1.) ThAdmiral (by Lowell and Zindaras)
2.) Toaster Strudel (by Fritzler and MoS)
3.) mnowax2 (by TS and Cavane)
4.) Thesp (by Yos2

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and PJ

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)

Once preferred execution

1.) Zindaras (by Thesp

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, not by Lowell)
2.) RafK (by VitaminR)

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3.) Yos2 (by K-Scope)

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4.) Fritz (by RafK, not VitaminR)

Zero preferred execution

1.) PJ (by K-Scope and Yos2)
2.) Lowell (by PJ and Thesp)
3.) MoS (by RafK and Fritz)
4.) Cavane (by MoS)

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5.) VitaminR (by Zindaras)

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6.) K-Scope

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Only as a preference; little/no actual suspicion

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Was only analyzed once

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Was not analyzed

I would like somebody to analyze K-Scope, if neither of he assigned people are going to do so.

For starters, I will:

Remove all from the LoE.

Now add ThAdmiral, Toaster Strudel, and mnowax2 to the LoE

.

This might change, we'll see where I end up. If there is a mistake, please point it out and I will ask Thok to edit it. I used my own judgment by putting mnowax2 as being preferred by both, even though it's somewhat ambiguous when reading the analyses.

[RafK]

With regards to the preference, I should note that's only my preference out of the two people I was asked to analyze. My actual execution preference remains Yos.

[petroleumjelly]

I'll try to give condensed commentary/questions. Please answer/respond ASAP. I am looking for two things in general – firstly, whether or not I think people's analysis look legitimate or fabricated, and secondly whether or not there are points on other players I hadn't considered. Noting them as I go along.

Note: "No commentary" means that I personally have no comments, not that the player making the analysis did not have commentary.

1.) Yos2 on PJ/Thesp. No commentary.
2.) Lowell on Zindaras. I actually like this analysis – sure, it's a little WIFOM on what SV-scum would do, but it does strike me as being a legitimate thought-process, and I actually agree with Lowell here. If we were dealing with Zindie-SV-scumpair, it

does

seem more likely they would have taken the opportunity to distance. Plus points for Lowell and Zindaras.
3.) TS on Fritzler. No commentary. PPE: See #7.
4.) TS on mnowax2. No commentary (although this post is very confusing for me, and I would like it clarified). Minus points for repeating points on Fritzler on an analysis meant for another player.
5.) MoS on TS. Very succinct and to the point. His questions are very nice and make sense from his analysis. Plus points for MoS, I'll reserve judgment on TS until after I read her responses.
6.) Thesp on Lowell and Zindaras. No commentary.
7.) TS response to MoS. I liked the response to [5], but I don't like the response to [9], as that implies that TS's analysis was just a compilation of who Fritz was suspicious of, and not posts TS was suspicious of Fritz for. Can I get clarification on this, TS?
8.) Yos2 on Thesp. No commentary.
9.) K-Scope on Yos2. This looks like a fairly good analysis, to the point where I feel like I should read back on Yos2 again because from the information in this particular post, it

does

make me wonder. His progression of thoughts looks natural and unforced. Plus points for K-Scope.
10.) VitaminR on RafK. This post actually looks good (and notably better than his posts in Space Monkeys by far). Plus points for VitaminR.
11.) VitaminR on Fritz. Question. I will note that Fritzler calling scumbuddies his scumbuddy is not "too obvious" – he really

has

done that before as scum. I've seen it at least three times, but the most relevant one (in a finished game) is in a newbie game where he was scum with Ibby – Post 195 in Newbie 207, which VitaminR actually played in. Do you remember this game, VitaminR? If so, do you really think it's "too obvious" for Fritzler to call a scum-buddy his scum-buddy?
12.) MoS on Cavane. Looks consistent with prior analysis.
13.) mnowax2. This isn't an analysis, but it pisses me off.
14.) mnowax2 on Yos2. I don't even really consider this an analysis – I cannot tell if mnowax2 even bothered to read through the game, or he figured he better just say something. Worst one so far. Minus points.
15.) mnowax2 on K-Scope (note: guess somebody technically analyzed K-Scope, but it's not a good one). I can't even get a grasp of a real thought process.
16.) Lowell on ThAdmiral. I liked Lowell's first analysis over this one, but nothing scummy here that I see.
17.) RafK on Fritzler. Question: what does "plays the man, not the ball" mean? I can't recall off the top of my head if RafK was actually pro-Fritz earlier, but if so (and I don't see a reason for him to lie about that), then this post looks legit.
18.) RafK on MoS part 1. Biggest note is actually that RafK continually slips comment about Yos2 in this analysis. Almost his entire analysis on MoS hinges on Yos2's alignment, which is rather contradictory to the purpose of having him analyze MoS in particular.
19.) RafK on MoS partr 2. No commentary.
20.) Zindaras on ThAdmiral. The post was a big unorganized (in that it was more of a small game summary than a straight analysis on ThAdmiral), but considering it was all to make points I have nothing against it. I really like the thought-process/explanation in this post. Plus points. My only question is why Zindaras does not want ThAdmiral executed today – his only vote is on Yos2, who I really don't think I'll be executing.
21.) Zindaras on VitaminR. Question: Zindie, what don't you like about my list? Objectively, I think I'm batting better than average, which is pretty much my goal in any given game. Considering there were only three people I was willing to execute, it's a given that there are going to be scum in either the "not strongly considering" and "will not" groups – I would like more explanation on this. This post also makes me want to read over VitR's posts again... blah.
22.) Cavane on mnowax2. Short but looks good.
23.) K-Scope on PJ. I don't particularly enjoy being called scummy, but the reasoning is present, and like before it seems his thoughts changed as he read.

[petroleumjelly]

Hmm. Well, I got distracted by looking at pictures from Thespival on facebook, so I don't expect I'll be doing much more reading tonight (and notably, I probably won't be doing

any

after the HP arrives).

I'll also

Add Fritzler and VitaminR to the LoE

, and will not execute anybody who is not on my LoE, which now has 5 players. Feel free to comment on these 5 (or others) as you wish - I will probably decide on an execution 6 hours before deadline so I avoid computer problems and have time to relocate should they occur.