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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:20 am

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neko wrote:gorckat, I really really wish you would start explaining your votes.
I've seen a handful of inconsistencies/things not jiving for me. Forgive me for stumbling for a means of voting that doesn't tip my whole hand.

@Archaist: Why soupfly? I voted neko without giving reasons first.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:02 am

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Archaist wrote:Making votes on "secret information" is something only the Mafia can do in reality, as only they have any extra info about who is Town and who is Scum when starting the game.
So, in your opinion, town would never attempt to keep mafia in the dark?
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:29 am

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gorckat wrote:@Archaist: Why soupfly? I voted neko without giving reasons first.
Yes, but you didn't vote to
pressure him for just one post
, then unvote, only to vote again later. It's not just the voting without giving reasons, it's the combination of that with the strange voting pattern that soupfly has that leads me to suspect him.
MeMe wrote:So, in your opinion, town would never attempt to keep mafia in the dark?
There is a difference between keeping some information from the Mafia and completely failing to give any reasons, actually trying to dissuade people from asking you to do so as soupfly just did. If you say that people can vote without reasons under the pretext of "keeping information from the Mafia" then you are possibly excusing baseless votes, as anytime someone wants to vote without reason they can just cover it up by saying they are hiding some information. There has to be a balance between keeping information to yourself and giving justifications for your votes.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:46 am

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Just because a basis isn't exposed doesn't mean it doesn't exist -- and soupfly specified that he saw something after the last post. Did you check that last post and come up empty? Or did you vote soupfly without bothering to see if you might agree with him?

Please note: I still like my votee over neko -- I just hate the position that town players aren't allowed to play close to the vest (generic across-all-games feeling, not an endorsement of soupfly's alignment). Yes, hold everyone accountable for their posts, but sometimes a little time before explanation can shake more loose than telling your object of suspicion -- and anyone else reading the thread -- exactly why you're doing what you're doing.
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:21 am

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SirWario wrote:
Sikario8 wrote:
SirWario wrote:Mcstab hasn't even posted in this game for two weeks. I think some serious prods/replacements are necessary.

Mod, prod deathguise, Mcstab, ridethebomb, selande, and sikario8
MOD: Prod SirWario
, I think he's hiding


I posted yesterday, thank you.
Yeah, but you didn't fulfill your promise:
SirWario wrote:This game has just exited the random voting stage and your accusing me of not contributing anything. You just said your self the actvity is depressing. Your rant about your playstyle was absolutely unnecessary and brings attention away from our pertinent discussion. It also tries to give you a free pass for later scummy behavior on the excuse that it's simply your "playing style" and you do it as town and scum.

I'm sorry my contribution does not amount to your startling 1 response pressure vote. Now that I believe we are officially out of random stage,
I will strive to present more activity to satiate the popular demand.
BTW, Sammich, nice analysis...I'm afraid to see what you'll find when you check me out... :shock:
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:24 am

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Seeing as
this
was your post...
SirWario wrote:
Sikario8 wrote:.
RTB, MeMe, gorkat, soupfly, Wario, what do you think of my voting sammich?


If you gave some reasoning, then maybe I would take some time to think about it. In my opinion we're past the random voting and all votes placed should have at least some explanation.

FOS:Sikario
Give us something useful.
...and
I
initiated it.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:27 am

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Archaist wrote:Could you give an explanation for you vote, soupfly? Don't think you can dissuade questioning just by saying it's getting old... after what, only 7 pages? Making votes on "secret information" is something only the Mafia can do in reality, as only they have any extra info about who is Town and who is Scum when starting the game. In his last post (#153), neko2086 made some perfectly reasonable statements, what about that post makes him worthy of a vote? You voted neko2086 for "pressure," which you lifted after only 1 post, and now you vote him again. Rapidly voting and unvoting without wanting to give any explanation sounds very scummy to me.
Vote: soupfly
in time i will explain my reason for voting.

in all fairness i do think that i deserve some criticism for my earlier action where i provided an explanation of the vote on neko and the subsequent unvote. its just that i've always felt a strong need to be helpful. neko's earlier question towards me didn't read "why do you think i'm scum?" but rather something like "i'm really confused about what's happening!" so i felt sort of compelled to be nice and explain it since it was early in the game. i made a mistake and i knew that my revote on neko would attract attention to me, but i can't worry about that now. its best to be honest about these things and keep playing.
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:52 am

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:idea:
How'd you like a...
unvote
VOTE: SIRWARIO
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:38 am

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Maybe someday I'll know why people vote for me. Hey, if you want me to address something, just let me know, ok?

And I still like my vote where it is. Sikario's post in 163 makes no sense at all, and the omgusy vote here doesn't help anything.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:25 am

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MeMe wrote:and soupfly specified that he saw something after the last post. Did you check that last post and come up empty? Or did you vote soupfly without bothering to see if you might agree with him?
If you read my post #157, you would know that answer.
Archaist wrote:In his last post (#153), neko2086 made some perfectly reasonable statements, what about that post makes him worthy of a vote?
If that is indeed the post that made soupfly vote neko, then I am coming up empty for reasons. For now my vote will stay, but that might change depending on any later explanations from soupfly. I just don't see anything in neko's post 153, which was his last post before soupfly voted him again.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:40 am

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Okay, here I go. This'll be maybe less detailed because I have less time but whatever.

Let's start with Sikario8. And I found...

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. He needs to post more and everything.

Conclusion
: I'd guess either newbie scum or worse playing than mine, but I feel that until Sikario gets in the game, I believe there's better places for my vote.

So how about [bJester/Sir Wario[/b]?

Well. He doesn't post until page 3, where he puts a vote on Neko2086, I don't know, agreeing with Soupfly I guess. He then frowns on the poor Mod. It's okay Jenter, we know you try. =D

SirWario FOS's RideTheBomb for OMGUS, but hangs on to Neko. Sir Wario, in my opinion finally gets into the game and votes Soupfly. Soupfly lands a poorly masked OMGUS to SirWario. Gorckat follows with a vote on SirWario.

SirWario votes Sikario8 for being fail in the category of contribution. Then he and Sikario get into a little snip involving something stupid, and Sikario votes him.

Conclusion
: Seems town at the moment.

And now, Ride The Bomb.

He gets voted from a pissed MeMe, where he simply replies "We meet again". Why? I don't know. I don't care. It's melodramatic and I'm not going to pour over it so much.

Later, he votes MeMe and is glad to see the game is rolling. Why? You hadn't contributed to it at that point. Although in post 95 he pretty much admits it's an OMGUS. Then he does absolutely nothing until page 6, where he asks why MeMe voted him again, which is a fairly stupid question. MeMe hates lurkers. MeMe points out all the fail in RTB's game, and RideTheBomb relinquishes his case, apparently knowing he was lurking way too much for MeMe's tastes.

Conclusion
: Good Lord. Bad playing, lurking, only voted twice, can we please get some work from this guy?

Tomorrow's analysis: Gorckat, Soupfly, and Selande.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:40 pm

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Sikario8 wrote::idea:
How'd you like a...
unvote
VOTE: SIRWARIO

??? I'm really not following your logic here.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:06 pm

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Archaist wrote:If you read my post #157, you would know that answer.
Well now I just feel stupid.
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:10 am

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neko2086 wrote:Maybe someday I'll know why people vote for me. Hey, if you want me to address something, just let me know, ok?

And I still like my vote where it is. Sikario's post in 163 makes no sense at all, and the omgusy vote here doesn't help anything.
It does make sense. SW's saying that he's posting and posting when the only time he posted was to tell me to shut up until further notice.
SirWario wrote:
Sikario8 wrote::idea:
How'd you like a...
unvote
VOTE: SIRWARIO

??? I'm really not following your logic here.
I'd be surprised you'd even
know
logic, seeing as you've posted absolutely nothing. Do you have nothing to say?
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Fri Nov 30, 2007 1:28 am

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Sikario8 wrote:For my first insightful point, I would like to state, declare rather, that souply is scum - it says so right above his avatar. I'd also like to say that this is not my best reasoning; however, it must suffice for the time being.


Are you freaking kidding me, Sikario?! I 've Posted absolutely nothing, coming from you thats really funny. You made this comment well after we left the random phase and have yet to make a feasible case against anyone.
Sikario8 wrote:While I support your use of a vote as a catalyst, I don't believe this should be excersized so freely. I do agree with your 21-question technique, though, if the questioned chooses to answer (which I'm trying to do). I've been busy; however, when I checked in, I saw that no one had contributed crap and so I put in a quick post to imply my being alive and semi-well and went on about my business.

I would like to FOS MeMe and RTB for circular reason. We're never going to kill any mafia if we can't get organized. I actually believe it'd be more constructive if every individual were to vote for whom they thought was scum.


Vote Sammich
(In case you hadn't noticed, he has
scum
right under his avatar!
) :wink:


The text in bold is the only actual useful thing you have posted all game. You say that a vote should not be used as a catalyst so freely, yet you vote Sammich with no reason other than a joke. You also say that later that you wouldn't remove it because it could breed discussion.

I've never told you to shut up either.
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:53 am

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SirWario wrote:
Sikario8 wrote:For my first insightful point, I would like to state, declare rather, that souply is scum - it says so right above his avatar. I'd also like to say that this is not my best reasoning; however, it must suffice for the time being.


Are you freaking kidding me, Sikario?! I 've Posted absolutely nothing, coming from you thats really funny. You made this comment well after we left the random phase and have yet to make a feasible case against anyone.
Sikario8 wrote:While I support your use of a vote as a catalyst, I don't believe this should be excersized so freely. I do agree with your 21-question technique, though, if the questioned chooses to answer (which I'm trying to do). I've been busy; however, when I checked in, I saw that no one had contributed crap and so I put in a quick post to imply my being alive and semi-well and went on about my business.

I would like to FOS MeMe and RTB for circular reason. We're never going to kill any mafia if we can't get organized. I actually believe it'd be more constructive if every individual were to vote for whom they thought was scum.


Vote Sammich
(In case you hadn't noticed, he has
scum
right under his avatar!
) :wink:


The text in bold is the only
actual useful thing
you have posted
all game. You say that a vote should not be used as a catalyst so freely, yet you vote Sammich with no reason other than a joke. You also say that later that you wouldn't remove it because it could breed discussion.

I've never told you to shut up either.
Major FOS:Sikario
You really don't appreciate being called out, do you? But your post
SirWario wrote:
Sikario8 wrote:.
RTB, MeMe, gorkat, soupfly, Wario, what do you think of my voting sammich?


If you gave some reasoning, then maybe I would take some time to think about it. In my opinion we're past the random voting and all votes placed should have at least some explanation.

FOS:Sikario
Give us something useful.
Sorry, I took this as IMPLICATION: Shut up, Sik, and let someone smarter talk for a change.

Alright, anyway, what's everyone else talking about?
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:18 am

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Yes, reading over my posts I always do seem a little harsh. But the gist of it remains basically the same.
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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:07 am

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I have been unable to devote the proper time and energy to this game as of late and it's only going to get worse, so I've PM'd Jenter to look for a replacement for me. GL all of you.

Mod Vote Count:
Selande (1): McStab
RideTheBomb (1): MeMe
soupfly (2): SirWario, Archaist
Sikario8 (1): Neko2086
neko2086 (2): gorckat, soupfly
SirWario (1): Sikario8

not voting: Archaist, Selande, Deathguise
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:04 pm

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Okay, sorry guys. The analysis will be late. I'm not feeling well.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:37 am

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I'm sorry to see RTB go. He and meme had a pretty interesting exchange and I was hoping to see where that went... Honestly, I thought Meme had a reasonable vote on him, but I can't really see it as a concrete argument the way it stands. It seems that he may not have been lurking as much as he was just busy. On the other hand, he could be asking to replace out as a convenient excuse to avoid this sort of pressure, but, that seems unlikely.


By the way,
mod
, have prods been sent? sirwario asked for prods about a week ago and we never heard if they went out or not.
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:32 am

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I think all the prod asked folks have postd haven't thay?

Searching for a replacement for RTB.
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Who dares, dies.

No access on thursdays.

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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:46 am

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Deathguise, McStab, and Selande haven't.
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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:15 am

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Sammich wrote:Okay, sorry guys. The analysis will be late. I'm not feeling well.
Get better, Sammich
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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:22 am

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I was eagerly awaiting Sammich's review since I was gonna be in this one. I'm vain like that :P
neko wrote:On the other hand, he could be asking to replace out as a convenient excuse to avoid this sort of pressure, but, that seems unlikely.
That would be very extreme, replacing out just to avoid getting pressured.

I'm not sure I would agree that MeMe's reasons are no longer valid.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:18 am

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MOD: Is there any possible way that you could place votecounts in seperate posts?
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