Newbie 692: Cool kids play mafia - Moon Scum WIN!
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ric Goon
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duke is like saying dude or player
i dont get it, where are you guys from you havent heard anybody use that word before?
youre on the street and you see your friend and youre like 'whats up duke?' or you see some person you dont know in the bar being nuts so you say 'duke is crazy....' as you turn your head-
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LunaLouise Goon
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Lunar_Tick Townie
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elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
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VOTE COUNT!
L3GACY - (3) Operative D, Slevinn , Lunar_tick
Vissian (1) - OrangePenguin
orangepenguin (1) - ric
LunaLouise - (1) L3GACY
Not Voting:
Erratos Apathos
LunaLouise
Vissian
With 9 alive, 5 to lynch!
Note: L3GACY has not picked up his prod from Saturday. His last post was over a week ago. If he doesn't post in thread or get in touch with me by tomorrow, I will replace him.Talk nerdy to me.
"We must be willing to let go of the life we planned so as to have the life that is waiting for us." -Joseph Campbell-
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Operative D Townie
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Erratus Apathos Mafia Scum
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elvis_knits Queen of Rock'n'Purl
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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Hello all!
I've read this game through once briefly but I don't have anything solid yet. You can expect a full play-by-play tommorrow or later tonight.
Until then,unvotein case my predecessor had a vote on.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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LunaLouise Goon
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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Ok. A few things that stuck out from another quick run through.
FOS: EAfor putting a player at L-2 during random voting. Newbies shouldn't really be expected to realize how dangerous that is, but you are an IC, and you should know better. Early wagons D1 are fine, but random wagons to L-2 are bad, even if the sample size is as small as 9 players. Other than that, you have played well, and seems to be quite the good IC.
FOS: Orangepenguinfor active lurking. You have had 13 posts outside of the confirmation stage, and had relevant information in only 2 of them. That worries me.
Vote: Vissianfor indifference to a townie lynch. This is never, I repeat,neveran acceptable strategy for the town. You shouldalwayslook to lynch scum. Some evidence of this same indifferent attitude being used by scum can be found here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... &&start=50 . Look at post subject 64, by Save the Dragons. He was scum, and he was completely indifferent about lynching a townie D1. I see precedent, so I'm going back to this even though some have discounted it.
The rest of you guys haven't given me too strong of reads yet, so I'll hold off on commenting about you for a bit.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Lunar_Tick Townie
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When saying speculation, I should have said speculative.Erratus Apathos wrote: Why do you say call this "speculation" if it's in your experience?
speculative: based on guessing or unfounded opinions.
Experience of previous games shouldn't always be applied to new games, due to some things being coincidental. I only mentioned this about L3GACY because he already seemed quite shifty.Nobody knows-
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LunaLouise Goon
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To let you, my fellow players, and ourMODknow;
I will be going home for Sinterklaas holiday (very Dutch holiday) from the 3rd through the 8th of December. Although there is plenty of internet to go around there, my contributions might be less extensive and elaborate during those days.
Carry on !Never let Shadows rule your life
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ric Goon
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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@ric: Right then. I suppose I was assuming it to be obvious when it wasn't.
Active lurking is bad, and often a scumtell. It occurs when a player posts reasonably often, (or at least isn't full on lurking) but doesn't post anything of value, merely 'filler posts.' This makes it look like they are actively contributing, when they actually aren't (hence 'active' lurking). It is a common scum tactic because it allows them to stay under the radar due to their activity level, as many players equate high activity levels with towniness.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Erratus Apathos Mafia Scum
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Random wagons to L-2 aren't nearly as dangerous as they appear. If someone did try to quicklynch, they'd be lynched the next day. I've only once seen someone put a player on L-1. This was back in the days when Newbie games were seven players and L-2 random votes were practically unavoidable, and even then the player was scum.Kairyuu wrote:FOS: EAfor putting a player at L-2 during random voting. Newbies shouldn't really be expected to realize how dangerous that is, but you are an IC, and you should know better. Early wagons D1 are fine, but random wagons to L-2 are bad, even if the sample size is as small as 9 players. Other than that, you have played well, and seems to be quite the good IC.
What do you mean by "Newbies shouldn't really be expected to realize how dangerous that is"?Do you want your possessions identified?-
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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@EA:
I still don't like it. Newbie games are supposed to be practice for larger games, and if people see an IC putting someone at L-2 during the RVS, they may think that it's alright to random wagon in larger games to the same point. This will, more often than not, move the wagon right onto the L-2 voter. It's more a teaching thing than an actually scummy thing.Random wagons to L-2 aren't nearly as dangerous as they appear. If someone did try to quicklynch, they'd be lynched the next day. I've only once seen someone put a player on L-1. This was back in the days when Newbie games were seven players and L-2 random votes were practically unavoidable, and even then the player was scum.
New players see 3 votes. They often don't see it as L-2. 3 votes doesn't look dangerous, but if those votes stay, and someone fabricates a weak case on the wagoned player, then those votes can turn into a quicklynch. When I made that post I was referring to LunaLouise doing the same thing. I wouldn't expect someone who hasn't played before to already understand the concept before it is explained.What do you mean by "Newbies shouldn't really be expected to realize how dangerous that is"?Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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LunaLouise Goon
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Kairyuu wrote: When I made that post I was referring to LunaLouise doing the same thing. I wouldn't expect someone who hasn't played before to already understand the concept before it is explained.
When did I do that ? In random voting, I was the second voting for OrangePenguin, hence putting him at -3. It was Onrider there after that put OrangePenguin at -2, not me.Never let Shadows rule your life
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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@LunaLouise:
Whoops. Sorry 'bout that. I guess I had the vote order wrong.When did I do that ? In random voting, I was the second voting for OrangePenguin, hence putting him at -3. It was Onrider there after that put OrangePenguin at -2, not me.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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ric Goon
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but this is a message board game that attracts people who are bored or have nothing better to do so whats wrong with posting about liking somebodys dog picture and such? i understand about flying under the radar but still...Kairyuu wrote:Active lurking is bad, and often a scumtell. It occurs when a player posts reasonably often, (or at least isn't full on lurking) but doesn't post anything of value, merely 'filler posts.' This makes it look like they are actively contributing, when they actually aren't (hence 'active' lurking). It is a common scum tactic because it allows them to stay under the radar due to their activity level, as many players equate high activity levels with towniness.
what do you think about the idea that legacy was suspicious to many people on here and now youre replacing him and taking up his role/position? why should one suspect you any less?-
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orangepenguin Mafia Scum
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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@ric:
You seem to be misunderstanding what I am talking about. I was referring to his posts during the game only. The confirmation stage posts I didn't even count, because they are not part of the actual game. So all that stuff about the avatars wasn't even in my read. I looked at only the posts after the mod stated that the day was starting.but this is a message board game that attracts people who are bored or have nothing better to do so whats wrong with posting about liking somebodys dog picture and such?
There is no 'but still.' The action is either scummy or it isn't. It is scummy to try to stay under the radar by not posting anything that helps the town. There are no two ways about it.i understand about flying under the radar but still...
Many people? Hardly. I have three votes on me based on a case that doesn't even make sense. The reasons that people have given are that my predecessor contradicted himself with bandwagon voting, and that he was lurking.what do you think about the idea that legacy was suspicious to many people on here and now youre replacing him and taking up his role/position? why should one suspect you any less?
First of all, you can't accuse him of lurking if he disappeared entirely. You have no idea of his reasons, and to assume that it was because of suspicion on him rather than real life reasons is probably the worst thing you could do in this situation. It's one thing if he was still posting elsewhere, but he hasn't even been on the site since his last post. So therefore, this point against him is moot.
Second of all, his contradiction was not even a contradiction. He said he didn't want to lynch someone before they had posted even once. This was misinterpreted as him purposefully avoiding a bandwagon. There are several things logically wrong with that. One, his sentiment was pro-town, because it was anti-quicklynch. Two, he was under the impression that bandwagoning was bad (which he stated in his very next post). This is where the so called 'contradiction' comes into play. After he is told by LunaLouise that early bandwagons are good, he proceeds to vote her, following another player. This is thesecondvote on her, when people have been taken to L-2. It is not even a bandwagon vote.
He was also accused at one point of jumping on multiple bandwagons. He made all of two votes before he was replaced, and one of them was a first vote. So yeah, that didn't actually happen.
To sum it up, I'm not exactly bothered by the votes on me, because they do not belong there, as they are there for reasons that boil down to logical fallacies. My predecessor did nothing to actually warrent a vote.
@OP:
There's plenty to comment on. Saying that there is not enough discussion is no excuse. If there isn't enough activity, then kickstart the discussion youself. You are an IC. You have been playing much longer than the newbies, so you should be better able to dig up tells from the discussion already present than they are.It's hardly active lurking when everyone else is lurking too. That doesn't excuse me for "lurking", but without discussion, there wasn't much to comment on. I am still happy with my vote as of now though.
And I am happy with my vote too, and therefore yours as well, since Vissian has actually done things that are scummy enough to vote him over.Because, no matter how you dress it up, that's what the world is. A community of idiots doing a series of things until the world explodes and we all die.-
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Kairyuu Mafia Scum
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Vissian Townie
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Hmm. That was a good post Kairyuu. Disliking this whole replacement thing, making me shift my vote...
unvote: Kairyuu
As for some discussion, this time I went back and looked at Orange's posts, since you brought up a good point with his lurking.
He said in post #52, that it was kind of weird how Onrider acted. While I do agree that it was weird, I don't see much reason to vote his replacement. Rather, Orange, since the wording of the post just seems off to me. I don't have a lot of experience, but shouldn't he have specifically stated that Onrider's behavior was scummy? Saying that someone "acted weird" doesn't help much, but saying that someoneacted scummydraws more attention. To me, it seems like he is trying to get us to buy it without connecting himself to doubting Onrider. That seemed scummy to me before, but I let it slide.
When Orange voted for me after my mistake, he basically summed up what EA had already said about me. Filler, regurgitated post, doesn't add much BUT it seems like it does. Finally, his low content posts (97).
Not finally: Kairyuu's above post about being defensive of others seems weird. The unvote I understand, but not the other content of his post. This could be early to make a call, but if ric/Orange flips scum then I call pair between the two.
Vote: orangepenguin
And Orange, there is enough content to make a post about. Heck, back up your vote on me with reasoning if you can't find anything else to talk about.Who am I voting for? Probably Cthulu. I mean, why pick the lesser evil?-
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Vissian Townie
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Gah, knew I forgot something! Had it right there in my notes...
I don't like Lunar_Tick's vote for L3GACY at the beginning. While there was reason to vote that way, he didn't use it. Just throwing this out there, but couldn't you have at least quoted the post? I understand you were looking for a reaction, but you could have done better.Who am I voting for? Probably Cthulu. I mean, why pick the lesser evil?
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