Team Mafia 2018: Magical Stories ~Game Over~

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Dave targeted sheep N2

Dave hasn’t claimed any action last night

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I fail to see a slip hippy?

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Gerry was a neighborizer

He neighborized Dave N2

Where is the slip?

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Wait, he did slip.

How?

I am not seeing it. Show me what i’m missing

PEdit: oh shit

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Until you chose to release them, any action they perform or that is performed on them will fail.

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So dave’s N2 should have failed

That confirms fen as town

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Wait, that might mean fen is scum?

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Ah fuck i’m confused

But yeah dave’s N2 action failed and he was just giving sheep an out

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MY INTERPRETATION IS: THE BLOCKING ACTION DOES NOT TAKE EFFECT UNTIL AFTER I'M IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

Disagree

Hebi got blocked N1. Likely by Gerry’s neighborizer

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Age/experience/education tells me I’m gonna start drinking

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Can we just stop being paranoid of me and kill off Dave and Fench? Like, this game is won. It’s confirmed one of them two.

I think i agree with this

It all depends how the arson role works with fake alignments (miller, godfather)

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By the way momo... just yelling at people is unlikely to make them want to vote with you. And if you're gonna say someone has done something, please check that they've done the thing first.

I pointed this out before on D1, but this felt like coaching

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I agree with 1015, especially the bold underlined part.

I offer this reminder that I policy vote people with gimmicks that I can't read.

VOTE: xXTonereaderXx
This is not a gimmick I like, and it's early enough in the game to express that dislike in the traditional way.

To people townreading momo -- this is a

game he modded

. How does someone who modded a game I was in, saw me vote a gimmick,

knows I was town in that game

, have that as the reason I'm not town here? (Is he just wrong, or does he know he's wrong???)

Dave is probably not momo’s prtner

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They have daytalk why would they coach frog

Because it makes it look like they are arguing by doing it in thread

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To be fair, momo then went on to not respond to Dave, and then Dave naked voted Sheep.

I just keep rereading dave’s ISO and not seeing him partnered with both momo and sheep

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I think it’s either boon or fen

Probably fen

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VOTE: Katsuki

Fuck...dave

Come on, I set a trap to catch scum, didn't think you would fall for it.

Right now, scum doesn't want scum to be lynched. They are looking for an alternative. I presented kat. Town, especially one as experienced as you, should never be voting kat. Kat is anti-town, not scum. This is an easy lynch that only scum would go for. Not anyone worth their salt as town.

SCUM READING DAVE

pedit: and jj does it too....could see them together

in fact, VOTE: davesaz

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I’m playing a good game, Froggy...there’s literally nothing I can do to convince you.

It’s probably fen

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Occam’s razor it’s fen

Explains the neighborize instead of a roleblock. Explains scum vote neutralizing boon.

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Okay that could be a shit bus

I don’t think momo was bussing D1

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Disagree its boon

Could be

We’re lopping boon’s head off today anyway because if sheep was like 1% chance town then boon is scum.

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Right now, scum doesn't want scum to be lynched.

Then look at momo’s D1 voting.

It’s all conftown except dave and hippy. And hippy you know you’re town, yes?

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Ok it’s probably boon

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Boon keeps trying to get this dave possibility open when he thinks it’s more likely fen and he called fen D1 so he can wiggle out of today’s death

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Like it’s obvious what boon is doing here

He’s trying to push some sort of fen then dave thing to avoid being the death today

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Like it’s obvious what boon is doing here

He’s trying to push some sort of fen then dave thing to avoid being the death today

Town boon doesn’t sew this discord at this point

He’s extensively worked with me in the past on trying to stay focused on when he was town.

Here he’s just trying to make me doubt myself every time I say X could be town or Y could be scum

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Like it’s obvious what boon is doing here

He’s trying to push some sort of fen then dave thing to avoid being the death today

K, i don’t even fucking care anymore.

I can’t even play Mafia anymore because everyone fucking auto scum reads me even if I’m having a god damn near perfect town game because “ohhh, Boon is scary scum.”

Lose this fucking game. I don’t care anymore.

How is it losing if you’re town then we hit scum?

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everyone fucking auto scum reads me

Except I don’t auto scum read you

Just earlier this day phase I had you as town

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Like it’s obvious what boon is doing here

He’s trying to push some sort of fen then dave thing to avoid being the death today

Town boon doesn’t sew this discord at this point

He’s extensively worked with me in the past on trying to stay focused on when he was town.

Here he’s just trying to make me doubt myself every time I say X could be town or Y could be scum

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Fuck off with town Boon doesn’t do that shit.

Town Boon solves games. I’m a much stronger town player than I am scum.

Town boon works with me and keeps me focused

Scum boon has left me alive in the past knowing I’m off focus.

This reaction is a bit ridiculous from you boon. When’s i scumread town boon in the past you kept me calm and worked with me, not flipped out AtE

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You literally replaced out of a game because of me as OwnBoon before.

Which game was this?

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earlier you seemed perfectly fine with lynching for the greater good

why are you so different now

Yah, he was totally fine with frog fen dave lylo

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You literally replaced out of a game because of me as OwnBoon before.

Which game was this?

Creature’s large. I remember it fondly because Vedith took your slot, and I became close with vedith.

that was a bunch of shit. I replaced out because of fykus, not because of you. But you telling me replacing out made me scum made me fucking angry as hell, because I replace out if I'm pissed off, not if I'm scum or town.

You actually worked okay with me despite me scum reading you early on prior to that.

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I self meta an AtE as town all the time...you know this.

I know you self meta,

I don't know you AtE because I just remember that one hell game where you were town and worked with me where I kept trying to scumread rb and you kept telling me he was town (I don't remember if he was town or scum in the end)

I blocked the creature game from memory and just had to reread it

I can't remember any other prior games you were town with me.

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no one cares about your self meta :/

I care about it. And Froggy self metas too, so he cares about self meta.

I don’t lie about my self meta ever.

<3

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Froggy, you tree stump after death, you said, right? You’re here no matter what.

correct

no flip and treestump

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If I target a killing action, it will become a friendly neighbour.

This is part of Fench’s role.

Kill Dave, have Fench target me tonight. M

Hiplop gets to use one of his abilities too, along with Froggy using one of his abilities.

You’ll be able to figure out who scum is by the night actions.

Froggy, you tree stump after death, you said, right? You’re here no matter what.

scum can use a roleblock tonight

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i can elite bodyguard again if fench is telling truth and targets me.

I thought you were suiciding

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I thought you could suicide during the day?

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I guess it's okay

I need to think

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If I target a killing action, it will become a friendly neighbour.

This is part of Fench’s role.

Kill Dave, have Fench target me tonight. M

Hiplop gets to use one of his abilities too, along with Froggy using one of his abilities.

You’ll be able to figure out who scum is by the night actions.

Froggy, you tree stump after death, you said, right? You’re here no matter what.

scum can use a roleblock tonight

Yeah, but they can’t roleblock everybody.

but if the premise is to town clear you, scum!you just roleblocks fen

block comes before redirect in NAR

I guess I could redirect your kill


or you block me, then fen targets you and stops your kill



yeah ok both scenarios scum you can't wiggle out of I guess.


unless sheep was town

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i can make your action unblockable frog

then you can't elite bodyguard

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like,

you can't elite bodyguard, suicide, and make me unblockable all tonight

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god I'm getting hippy/boon paranoia again, also hippy fen paranoia

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JJ you didn’t get neighborized, did you?

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Alright so scum pretty clearly knew they didn’t need to use their roleblock.

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If sheep is town fen is confscum because sheep wouldn’t be lying about igniting by hitting scum fen

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So if hippy can unblockable me we’ve got this won

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Because then i’m a strongman redirector

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Not if Dave is scum...

Yes if dave is scum...

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Flawless strategy:

Lynch Boon, Hippo suicide, Lynch Dave

Fench is now conftown if Boon is town and me and Frog are both town

Why can’t fen be godfather in the event boon is town?

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Boon shut up I’m discussing something with jj because I don’t think his plan makes sense

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JJ we can literally confirm boon by vigging him (and forsaking a hippy suicide) and redirecting him after we lynch dave. He can only block one of us.

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Frog, Boon just confirmed that in the neighbourhood between Hebi and Fench, Alisae outright STATED that they were both town. That means it doesn't come under the umbrella of alignment checks, and as such wouldn't be affected by a godfather.

Boon's true love power turned that hood into a masonry, then infiltrated Boon into it

I disagree that couldn’t fall under the umbrella of alignment checks

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You could have done that last night and scum still have a rolestopper, right?

Scum can’t use rolestop on themselves

There’s only 1 scum left in your plan

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Boon I don’t understand why you are freaking out if we can mod confirm fen as town. Then town wins anyway

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Nah Frog you do understand

Right, I’m saying I don’t understand why town!boon would freak out

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And, we can literally confirm anyone as town/scum with an unblockable vig and unblockable redirect

Why does it have to be boon?

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Nobody cares

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And, we can literally confirm anyone as town/scum with an unblockable vig and unblockable redirect

Why does it have to be boon?

You don’t necessarily have the unblockable redirect. Technically hiplop can be blocked. I guess that does make it unblockable.

Because Fenchurch and I have interaction, and I don’t have a targetable action.

I’m unblockable either way

Scum block hippy or I’m unblockable


You do have an action if you’re Scum

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Know what’s wild...

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Hey guys how about we listen to the frog for a second

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Hey guys how about we listen to the frog for a second

All i hear is ribbit ribbit and that one muppet’s song.

You don’t even know what i’m gonna day...

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Say

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Alright I guess I’ll kill boon since he doesn’t seem to care what I have to say

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I have the post saved as a draft but it seems nobody cares #SadFrogFace

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To be fair we’re all gamethrowing

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Here’s the funny thing

Lynching fen today is the only way we guarantee the game goes on

If sheep was town, then fen is scum by the fact that dave was blocked.

If sheep was scum, lynching town doesn’t end the game

If there’s a way we can conftown someone by night actions, then we win

We can possibly avoid this if Boon just asks the mod the question we want him to ask.



Rob it

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Oh my god boon

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I’m *thisclose* to doing the thing

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I’d rather you just kill Dave today,

But you’ve been pushing fen.

You just said t

You’d rather I kill dave today because then you can do this on fen tonorrow

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I just want fen to pop in

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Here’s the funny thing

Lynching fen today is the only way we guarantee the game goes on

If sheep was town, then fen is scum by the fact that dave was blocked.

If sheep was scum, lynching town doesn’t end the game

If there’s a way we can conftown someone by night actions, then we win

We can possibly avoid this if Boon just asks the mod the question we want him to ask.



Rob it

I’d rather you just kill Dave today, but I understand the scenario.

Like how the fuck do you not go


Yes, let’s do this and conftown me at night?

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Because you were all about getting conftowned at night just a few minutes ago

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Here’s the plan

We wait for fen

We decide who is today’s kingmaker kill

We sort out night actions

We nominate frog

FrogQueen ribbits

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(I’d be just as happy queening JJ, FWIW)

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JJ

How sure are you that hiplop is town?

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Because if hippy is conftown the game is over

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If we can deduce hippy is town, then we DONT want him to suicide so we can just end the game with boon/fen/dave as the deaths

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(Not necessarily in that order)

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Oh shit Fenchurch targeted Hippo last night he's conftown

Can fen only target town?

I’m still confused on fen’s claim

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I kinda think fen and boon are the scumteam

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Oh shit Fenchurch targeted Hippo last night he's conftown

That doesn’t conf her as town. It means she has that role. Alisae’s signature flat out says that roles aren’t AI from a quote by Mastina.

He = hippy

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gerry neighbourised me and I'm in that neighbourhood now.

This is a mod confirmed lie

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@mod: Can Gerry's role kick someone out of the tower without neighbourising someone else?

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Oh, and is the last person in the tower following Gerry's death pemanently stuck there?

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Fen dies today

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But you did you’re in the hood “now” implying you’re stuck there

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@Dave did Gerry say he would target fen?

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It means that I'm only in there for one Day, and not the rest of the game.

Why would you suddenly leave the tower after one day?

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Fen, I ask things to get an understanding so town can win this game so kindly relax

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I’m like 99% sure hippy is town anyway since he made JJ unblockable. Scum have no reason to do that with a roleblock and a rolestop sitting around

So town has won this game anyway

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I was in it through the end of N3. Don't know if anyone else was put in it, if I'm still there, or if it's defunct.

It becomes visible at the beginning of day, and disappears at beginning of next day.
Unfortunately having access removed means I don't know what (if anything) gerry might have posted about the last 4 hours or so of night.

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Told you one of them are scum! Only Froggy had some faith in me. Some.

Could still be just you

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I don’t understand why Gerry would target fen

Like that’s just dumb

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I mean, he obviously did, but seriously wtf

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DEAD GERRY WHY THE EFF WOULD YOU ROLEBLOCK FEN

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It becomes visible at the beginning of day, and disappears at beginning of next day.
Unfortunately having access removed means I don't know what (if anything) gerry might have posted about the last 4 hours or so of night.

I'm not sure what your'e proving here. I'm pretty sure dave is just describing what happened to him - it's true, he got access at the end of N2, and lost access at the end of N3. But reading gerry's role, I'm pretty sure he could have chosen to keep someone on in the neighbourhood, he just didn't.

I’m proving your interpretation is correct Jesus fuck

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That’s objectively horrible play by Gerry

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At least Fench is conftowned by another thing. Sadly Hiplop is not.

Let's win the damn game

I disagree

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Scum neighborizing seems all too convenient

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JJ who can you vig right now?

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Fen 2 of those are easily explained by godfather

If you’re godfather you’d WANT it revealed — TWICE — that you are town so you can exactly WIFOM us with this

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And I’m not sure how point 3 is relevant

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Goldilocks is not a strongman so the roleblock is a clear

What?

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Goldilocks is not a strongman so the roleblock is a clear

What?

Goldilocks Doesn’t stop kills

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Or rapunzel I mean

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Gerry doesn’t stop kills

Scum!fen could have killed gerry

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I can vig someone that we l-1 but I don't think I want to here?

if hippy is town we do

That guarantees 2 of me you hippy is left woth 1 scum

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Pretty sure the Gerry roleblock does block kills

READ HIS FUCKIKG ROLE PM

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Any actions performed on you will fail that are non-killing actions. You are also immune to all other actions that are non-killing actions.

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Until you chose to release them, any action they perform or that is performed on them will fail.

Oh this clears fen

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Sorry I yelled at you JJ

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Until you chose to release them, any action they perform or that is performed on them will fail.

Oh this clears fen

Well it clears fen as not lone scum

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Ok JJ boon dies

Are we not vigging? Hippy you are making me unblockable, yes?

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My team seems pretty sure sheep was the godfather

Godfather arson self-janitor doesn’t really make sense but okay?

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I'm sorry... but like I said, it's pretty frustrating when it feels like people are just ignoring the evidence that I'm giving instead of actually engaging with it.

I don’t ignore evidence

I ask questions until i UNDERSTAND

There’s a lot going on here

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So, lynch Boon, hippo suicide, lynch Dave

Fen could still be scum with boon though

I can’t see boon/dave

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Hippo should suicide

If boon is scum and it’s not game over then it’s boon+fen

If Boon is town then it’s 3p lylo with a fen/dave decision

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L-1 hippy since he’s here

Hippy should vote himself first

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Boon is confscum

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So boon hippy win