Mini 575 - Roach's Mafia! - Abandoned.

[Lalmtreasteek]

vote Eldritch Lord

, name envy.

[Lalmtreasteek]

The guy I voted hasn't posted yet, what do you think is it because he is a SCUM resignetd to his lynch fate??

[Lalmtreasteek]

[quote="Roach"]Another one is a falsely accused townsperson who is willing to clear his name- at any cost.[/color]
I think the miller is sounds like he can recruit cults! OR something bad.

[Lalmtreasteek]

Hm wow some things starting to happen.

fos: snix

I not sure you're are sincere, it seems like maybe you are eager to reveal power roles, even bread crumbed power roles

fos: populartajo

also not sure you're are sincere behind your reasoning for the VRK vote

fos: Pink Puppy

your post 56 gives me the uneasy feeling. Maybe I'll be able to explain better if you post more scummy things. But if you're town you should ignore this advice.

I think I am wary mostly with Snix so

unvote vote Snix

[Lalmtreasteek]

I plan to think about post 86-87 when I get home tomorrow or earlier

[Lalmtreasteek]

I'm have a hard time feeling excited for reading this game so I'll summary what I've seen since it's easy.

34- my post, the first post I'm reading
zeddicus says miller could be a lyncher
mod post
unnoficial ruler unvotes himself I think
VRK wants random bandwagon against zeddicus.
unofficial ruler votes zeddicus, BW could start conversation, also he point out he already had a random vote for him ??
Snix vote zeddicus
populartajo says what it's lynch -1?
VRK say no 7 of course he's not right
zeddicus says "glorkish sounds good" ?? but he won't react to the bandwagon except at -1 he will claim ??
Snix says or you could react now and say who is scummy
caf19 says rival bandwagon time, vote for unofficial ruler, for aggressive voting revoting "unintentionally deceiving the mod" hee
vrk says oops my bad not 7
xxfoxxx vote for caf19 because he said it's a "rival bandwagon" ??

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zeddicus votes Snix, why is voting me feel real? he think Snix is scummy for saying it feels real but true actually it has nothing to go on ??
Snix say let's go to lyncher -1
Cookie Monster says marmalade taste awesome ?? don't say (can't see who is quoting) you are a jelly fan.
Pink Puppy replaced.
populartajo vote VRK for lying ??
Pinp Puppy suspects are VRK unofficial ruler, Snix, Cookie. VRK supsicion whatever. unofficial ruler votes zeddicus three times. Hm ok. Snix supsicion is whatever. Cookie didn't contribute I guess.

unvote Snix

I think I am voting for him.

caf19 says Snix why do you want a claim so early from zeddicus. unofficial confused the mod for voting three times.
Pink Puppy says I see a reason to vote for VRK but it is not because he "LIED"
Fox says how did he lie, check VRK out further maybe, VRK did everything even confuse mod. huh lame. I think.
VRK didn't understand lie accusation from Fox.
VRK say Pink Puppy did you look at this game not moving etc
Pink Puppy says explain a reason for random bandwagon purpose.
Fox says it can be useful etc.
I'm not agreement iwth Snix in post 65 saying zeddicus outed a power role (himself) when he said he would not react to the bandwagon.
populartajo 66 67 seem ok. The lie accusation is sill though
zeddicus says "as far as I can tell it demonstrates nothing" talking about what he said about claiming at L -1. I don't like I think zeddicus said here that either he is power role or he want scum to think that. If so bad point for zeddicus. Not clear to me what everything zeddicus is saying in this post 68.
Snix say why even hint that you're a power role. Evidently Snix thinks zeddicus understands that way of thinking.
Pink PUppy post 70 is not understanding since obviously Snix wanted the claim only after zeddicus said his remark about it
71 I vote Snix, good move for me, wonder why I unvoted
72 Snix clrify well, still not happy with his assumption
73 unofficial ruler counters Pink Puppy's suspicion.
Cookie Monster not posting

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zeddicus links to the setup post (I never played with find the setup post before)
Pink Puppy say Idunno I think "refusal" to claim is protown. I dislike Pink Puppy seems to understand Snix optinion poorly.
unofficial says setup stuff in 77
pink puppy 78
Fox agrees how do you prove yourself innocent.
This maybe newbie game.
80 Snix explains again. If I like this guy more I feel bad for him.
unofficial another setup post. explain he meant "defend himself" etc.
Snix shrug.
populartajo ask for prods
Caf guess Marmalade and avinsashv need prods. NOt say much, repeat vote reasoning for unofficial.
avinashv post scum post in 85.
86 yay we made it.
Caf19 says all this.
unnoficial voted zeddicus 2nd time for being a funsucker. Caf says this is not a serious vote NOT LIKE what unofficial said it was. Then 13 minutes after random bandwagon started. Voted him again. So not like he didn't defend himself. There was not time. That is interesting.

87 now.
Marmalade criticize Fox vote for Caf (I also ?? here)
disagrees with Pink Puppy. maybe I can be friend with Marlade
was surprised that populartajo is serious.
He liked my FOS jobs.
Sees case on unofficial.

Pink Puppy maybe scum in 88
Caf says more talking please
92 unofficial says it is 13 hours not 13 minutes.
Caf continues vote
Marmalade votes unofficial for story change. I need to read it closer. Is it a bad change or forgetting you know.

97 interested in Pink Puppy saying he can't understand Caf's story change argument. Or how Marmalade agrees with it.
Did VRK say Pink Puppy is dumb? I really think Pink Puppy respond not too well to VRK.

um hm, PAGE 5
Fox respond to rival bandwagon thing still I don't understand that vote.

I will just post this, hopefully not annoy you all with my lazy typing. I'll think about this and then find the scums.
For now

vote avinashv

for being scum

[Lalmtreasteek]

Great, now comment on posts before 34 and re-read so you understand what went on up to that point

Believe it or not since 34 was my post, I already read those messages before that.

Tell me if there's a particular thing you want me to notice.

about avinashv

I'm digesting all of what I've read, but I'm suspicious of Snix for his strange analysis of the setup of this game. I'm going to look around a bit before I make a vote because I'm not 100% sure that it's a good enough scumtell.

I guess I will take my vote back. I read this more like "here is a (bad) reason for lynch". But really he only says it's his vote. I could say it's scum to be reluctant to vote. But you don't really want to vote without understanding if it's the best. so

unvote avinashv

In my previous post I sometimes put ?? if I didn't understand something. Maybe if somebody want they can look for parts they can answer.

I'm read my previous post again and feel the scums don't jump out at me. I think Snix hurt the townbut I dunno he's scum.

My GUT says

vote caf

Now somebody wants to know why. Well I read only caf's post, and I find the scum feeling in 1 (detailed vote explanation feels like too much), 2 (not generous interpretation of Snix, seem like dirt-throw on unofficial), 3 (ask for prods, sorry it feels scum to me, explain again why the vote stays, yeah I dunno, I have struggle to feel caf as sincere), 4 "lies upon lies" post its feels like too much to me, skip a few, 8 is to me.

Well you know I will quote 8

Lalm, why the vote on avinashv? Your post-summary doesn't seem to paint him as your top suspect (well, you say he made a "scum post" but not why you think this is the case). We're past the random stage now.

Is it random to vote someone for make a scum post??

This aside. I don't like that caf cared that my "summary" doesn't show avinashv as my top suspect. Feels like he hoped for a reason to vote for somebody.

I probably won't clarify anything. But somebody will ask.

Between zeddikus and unofficial I prefer lynch zeddikus. That's just "FYI"

I feel caf maybe does not want us to lynch zeddikus. See, if you gave caf another suspect he can stop try to advocate lynching unofficial with not very great reasons in my opinion! Also if mod replaces zeddikus then he will probably not be lynch. Wild theory huh.

[Lalmtreasteek]

Ok VRK

Vote-hopping, bad reasoning for the votes. I don't like this post. I agree with caf 100% that if you're going to do a summary of people, and then vote for someone, then you should be voting for your top suspect. To do otherwise looks like you're being opportunistic or trying to gauge the strength of a weak case by looking at the responses you're going to get from the vote.

This' seems not very relevant. I didn't say avinashv wasn't my top suspect. When I wrote the post he was. Not "by a mile" since I feel like I read it/him incorrectly then. What was scummy for me was Caf concern that the "subtance" of the summary post maybe not seemed to show a "motivation" for an avinash vote. Why? Because maybe she would like a reason to vote for somebody with a better reason than for unofficial.

I don't understand you people, who might say that voting for avinashv or for Caf, could be opportunitic.

Why do you prefer a zed lynch vs. UROE?

Its' because of what I said about Caf preference against zed lynch.

I think Caf is probably scum. You guys saying she makes the most sense. Yes she does. She makeso much sense, so that I didn't even think about her very much, when I write the my summary post. Only I read the posts by her afterwards, I feel subtly that she's scummy.

I can't make a case about Caf. Maybe I shouldn't try because it let Caf say "I'm pretty undecided as to whether Lalm's post was scum trying to fabricate a case against me". I don't want to make a case, I only want to explain a little.

I'll give you a hint about "my case". From the same post 12, Caf also said "What does everyone else think of Lalm?" and I think this is the opportunitic side of Caf. Its like "did you guys feel he's scum too, I can vote for him safely if you guys think so."

Also said "i thought it was a bit scummy too but i didn't want to just OMGUS in my reply". Nice for me that I don't get the OMGUS until somebody-not-Caf says I'm scum. is weird isn't it to say, "if I didn't want to look like OMGUS then I had just vote for the scum I believe in."

Ok more about zeddikus and unofficial.

zeddiCus:
Not very much scum about him when I read his posts. Not much of anything in either way. So I get incredible if Caf want to defend him like she says shes makes no secret about it.

SMALL thing. Maybe it needs an explanation for me, and not a vote.
Snix has wrote:

Because I'm sure anyone here could guess that if someone was at L-1 and a power pro-town he better claim. So all he's done so far is ousted himself. If the scum were half-way decent they'd NK, get another townie lynch today and be on the fast track to a win.

That's if he were an actual power role. It's a great defense to secretly state that you are very important to the town. That way people would lay off the wagon. Why state the obvious unless to set up a claim later?

Response to SNIX:

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but what you are saying here is: He crumbed power role! But, he might be trying to draw nightkills, so not have revealed himself as a power role!

As far as i can tell, it demonstrates nothing.

Ignore right now the way worst post by snix.

Please tell me what zeddicus reply means?

Anyway, so look at unofficial. Maybe he jumped votes. Maybe he is not accurate when he explains his old thoughts. I think he is sincere. Plus I think maybe Caf knows he's townie. For now I can vote other people with more easily, than I can vote for unofficial.

I will come back definitely, to see I need to vote away from Caf for the deadline.

[Lalmtreasteek]

I want to "note" that Caf wrote post 124 the response.

Here's the problem again. I don't have a case, I just had my "GUT" like I said when I voted for you. I tried to explain a little. I don't think it's a thing we can argue around. So hm. I appreciate that you write a response but I don't feel useful to respond to your response. Hope it's clear.

[Lalmtreasteek]

But I don't think that's scummier than some of the more recent stuff with lalmstreak or avinashv have posted.

Which post by avinashv you thought was scummy? Same as I thought earlier?

[Lalmtreasteek]

Ok I can understand what you're saying here about your gut feelings for caf, but you're treading awfully close to a Too-Townie fallacy with your explanation.

What? no. Making sense is not the same as "townie." And I'm not say the reason I think Caf is scum would be that he was making sense. It is in the little things that strike me when I look at them at all the same time.

Cafscum would be defending a townie to make himself look better for later days. Caftown would do the same if the

argument

presented against that person was weak or illogical (this assumes best-play on Caftown's part). So from your point of view, Lalm, is caf's defense based on attacking other arguments against Zed, or true buddying?

My "point of view" is that the scummy thing is Caf is possibly try to avoid the zeddicus lynch using a weak argument about unofficial or else trying to find another direction (possible example, perhaps when he asked about avinashv).

I'm still reading what happened, the Fox case could be better for now, I'm finding it to see.

[Lalmtreasteek]

If I'm right then Fox is one of the 2 that voted for Caf. And so voting for someone else with 2 (unofficial) actually is progress for lynching anybody.

I guess he didn't say why he voted for unofficial. He just wants to lynch. And only that it's deadline now.

Ok, I will say Fox is a suspect.

Also when looking at Fox's other posts its seems like usually it's not finding scum or talking scum etc.

I have to say. I got the bad feeling (the scum feeling) from Marmalade number 167, like he to use Pink Puppy's post in order for his' vote. But to the other direction he says clearly about his opinion right now, and also wants remove deadline which is seems like townie.

[Lalmtreasteek]

Lalm, I don't quite understand what you are saying about me..

I think your bread crumb idea about zeddicus is probably wrong. And if its true and also zeddicus is actually that power role then congratulation you told the scum.

[Lalmtreasteek]

Ahh. Well I haven't been given a chance to pressure more or interrogate to confirm/deny my thoughts because he continues to

no point! So you say, maybe you found someone, who will claim power role. That's the bad thing already to tell it, how could you fix it, just to talk to that person more?

Should I tell who is I think the cop and doc is and then interrogate them to confirm/deny? I guess I wouldn't!

[Lalmtreasteek]

We really need to hear from those who haven't commented on the top two suspects. These are:

1.

Lalmtreesteak

, who is still voting for caf19, and

Pink Puppy

, who has kept her vote on avinashv. Although contributing, I would like to hear about where these two would move their votes (if you would change your votes at all).

I did comment, thought I voted Fox but I forgot to.

We have votes for a deadline lynch I think. Judge by the vote count. If thats would change I would vote for Fox. Otherwise, maybe wait for the extension.

About power roles. If Snix hurt town then he did it already. Only a scum didn't read the thread maybe could not see Snix opinion which he says any time you ask.

[Lalmtreasteek]

I was a townie.

Who else is was scum?