PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[Kison]

The only two other people I can fathom his partner being is one of Lawrence or Ooba, and although neither has directly stated they aren't his partner...

I agree that Rogueben's partner should confirm.

I would like Rougeben's mason partner to reveal themselves..

I think that's everyone?

Unvote

Vote : Rogueben

[ooba]

After factoring in everybody who's either claimed not mason or something else ..

1. cicero

2. Cogito Ergo Sum (replaced Samruc)

3. Iammars

4. Kison

5. Lawrencelot (replaced Flameaxe)

6. mikeburnfire

7. MrBuddyLee

8. ooba (replaced Rosso Carne)

9. Primate (replaced JordanA24)

10. Rogueben (replaced Thestatusquo)

11. The Fonz

12. Thesp

13. UltimaAvalon

It leaves only Lawrencelot ..

I agree that Rogueben's partner should confirm. If it really is a 2-man group like hasdfgas and Gorrad, then we could lose a mason and a townie in a way of speaking, instead of 1 mason and keeping a townie. But there's a good chance that he's lying.

I had made this addition to my earlier post and decided roguben was lying there . But i decided not to post this since it might have been good info to see how rogueben reacted or who he fingered.

Anyway you just lynched him...

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hi-fives all around! We nabbed ourselves another one.

[Mr Stoofer]

Vote Count

Rogueben: 7 (Primate, cicero, Thesp, Iammars, Cogito Ergo Sum, mikeburnfire, Kison)

Not voting: 6 (UltimaAvalon, ooba, The Fonz, MrBuddyLee, Rogueben, Lawrencelot)

[Mr Stoofer]

Death of a Legend

On 11th November 1718, Lieutenant Robert Maynard of the Royal Navy, commanding two small hired sloops, joined battle with

Adventure

, commanded by the notorious Captain Edward "Blackbeard" Teach.

The most complete account of the following events comes from the

Boston News-Letter:

Maynard and Teach themselves begun the fight with their swords, Maynard making a thrust, the point of his sword against Teach's cartridge box, and bent it to the hilt. Teach broke the guard of it, and wounded Maynard's fingers but did not disable him, whereupon he jumped back and threw away his sword and fired his pistol which wounded Teach. Demelt struck in between them with his sword and cut Teach's face ; in the interim both companies engaged in Maynard's sloop. Later during the battle, while Teach was loading his pistol he finally died from blood loss. Maynard then cut off his head and hung it from his bow.

Despite the best efforts of the pirates (including a desperate plan to blow up the

Adventure

), Teach was killed, and the battle ended. Teach was reportedly shot five times and stabbed more than twenty times before he died and was decapitated. Legends about his death immediately sprang up, including the oft-repeated claim that Teach's headless body, after being thrown overboard, swam between 2 and 7 times around the

Adventure

before sinking.

Teach's head was placed as a trophy on the bowsprit of the ship.

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Rogueben - Blackbeard - lynched Day 4

It is now Night 5. Deadline for nightchoices is 10am GMT Thursday 13th March

[Mr Stoofer]

Does this sound like a Pirate to you?

Professor

Abraham Van Helsing

is a fictional character from Bram Stoker's 1897 novel,

Dracula

.

Van Helsing is a Dutch doctor with a wide range of interests and accomplishments, partly attested by the string of letters that follows his name: "M.D., D.Ph., D.Litt., etc., etc." The character is best known as a vampire hunter, and the arch-enemy of Count Dracula.

Well does it?

Anyway, he is dead now.

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Iammars - Abraham Van Helsing (Vampire Finder) - killed by a green blade Night 5
mikeburnfire - Sigmund Freud (Lie Detector) - killed by a rusty blade Night 5
MrBuddyLee - Luke Skywalker (Vig) - throat slit and beaten to death Night 1 - resurrected Day 1 - killed by a sharp blade Night 5

It is now Day 5. With 9 alive it will take 5 votes to lynch!

[ooba]

Iammars - Abraham Van Helsing (Vampire Finder) - killed by a

green blade

Night 5
mikeburnfire - Sigmund Freud (Lie Detector) - killed by a

rusty blade

Night 5
MrBuddyLee - Luke Skywalker (Vig) - throat slit and beaten to death Night 1 - resurrected Day 1 - killed by a

sharp blade

Night 5

MBL, Goblins and Ninjas respectively?

[Thesp]

If we're dealing with 3-3-3 scum teams, we have 0-2-2 left.

[aside]Why the heck would MBL kill Iammars? That's a terrible play.[/aside]

Time to find Erg0 and Guardian's buddies.

[Lawrencelot]

If we're dealing with 3-3-3 scum teams, we have 0-2-2 left.

[aside]Why the heck would MBL kill Iammars? That's a terrible play.[/aside]

Time to find Erg0 and Guardian's buddies.

But, if the scum teams are 3-3-3, where do the vampires and communists belong? A vampire finder is confirmed, does that mean vampires are confirmed? I'm not sure if I believe the vampire finder was just a townie.

I'd have picked mike as guardian's buddy if he wasn't dead... it will become harder now. Seeing as he never had a chance to reveal his info (assuming he had info about lies and such): shall we consider a massclaim again?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think it's pretty clear now that the vampire finder and communist finder were just red herrings.

I'm not really seeing an advantage to mass claim.

[Kison]

I can't think of one, either. A lot of the power roles seem to have been killed off at this point.

Kison is busy working on a big thingymajig that's due tonight.

We're down to 9 players, 3-4 scum. Not looking exceptionally great for us, here.

[ooba]

We're down to 9 with 1 outed player .. According to the 3-3-3 configuration , thats 4 more scum .

I think a mass claim would be very useful right now (but i can't go into the details as to why) ..

[cicero]

I think that's too many scum. Town is playing too good a game to be at LyLo. Something in our assumptions is wrong here.

[ooba]

I think that's too many scum. Town is playing too good a game to be at LyLo. Something in our assumptions is wrong here.

We've had 3 townies incorrectly Night vigged so that goes against the town.
Scum haven't hit each other as much as we would have liked so that too goes against the town.
And it's not LyLo even if there are 4 scum, cross kill mechanics give the town a chance.

So , you up for mass claiming?

[Primate]

I think that's too many scum. Town is playing too good a game to be at LyLo. Something in our assumptions is wrong here.

There are four nightkilling groups that have been repeatedly taking slices out of the town instead of each other.

I'm not a fan of mass claiming at this point. The

last

thing we need is for a couple more semi-power roles that are a threat to the scum to out themselves and make the scum decide not to finally take a shot at one another tonight.

[Thesp]

I think that's too many scum. Town is playing too good a game to be at LyLo. Something in our assumptions is wrong here.

There are four nightkilling groups that have been repeatedly taking slices out of the town instead of each other.

I'm not a fan of mass claiming at this point. The

last

thing we need is for a couple more semi-power roles that are a threat to the scum to out themselves and make the scum decide not to finally take a shot at one another tonight.

I agree with this. Kelly Chen once said on an argument about the town controlling its own destiny that if several groups gang up on the town, the town

should

lose. Strictly speaking, on the town-controlled kills, we're only batting 50% (with minor debate, but it's around that figure).

We're already in a losing position, and either one of the remaining scum teams is clearly in a better position to win than we are. We might as well do the best we can to fight it out to the bitter end.

I'm still working on my player rundown, I hope to have it finished today, but I can't make promises on it.

I want to see some good substance form CES

soon

.

[Thesp]

Also, mike is town. (Just fyi.)

I kind of want to hear more behind this.


My quick buddy-analysis of each player:

cicero

Makes sense as Guardian buddy, but unlikely as Erg0 buddy.

Cogito Ergo Sum (replaced Samruc)

Would be a little odd for him to go after Erg0 as he did upon entry, but certainly not out of the question. Has been generally unhelpful, a trait I see more from CESscum than CEStown. Samruc is near worthless for info either way.

Kison

Somewhat less likely to be Guardian's partner. I'm not fond of how he's pushed on UltimaAvalon (though I like the push) - I think he's looking for an excuse to lynch rather than for scum there. Erg0's only comments on anyone still alive are against Kison, but when Erg0's back is already clearly against the wall.

Lawrencelot (replaced Flameaxe)

Flameaxe could really be scum with either one (though slightly less likely with Guardian, it would still fit) - I don't like his play at all. Lawrencelot comes in too late to be analyzed much on it, but would fit more strongly with Erg0 than with Guardian. I like Lawrencelot's play though, it seems more likely from town than scum.

ooba (replaced Rosso Carne) - not lynched Day 1

I know it's a mistake to disregard him entirely, but I'm not seeing a compelling reason to lynch him. I don't think he's partners with Erg0, nor with Guardian. Highest on the likely-to-be-town list.

Primate (replaced JordanA24)

Notably, Mgm asks him Day 1:

You've slipped up. You're a ninja, aren't you?

On something relatively minor. I think this is actually the info he's dropping. I think it's worth exploring.

The Fonz

I've disagreed with a number of things he's said, but I think he's more likely to be town here. His interactions with Guardian & Erg0 are odd otherwise.

UltimaAvalon

He makes an awful lot of sense as scum with either Guardian or Erg0.

Thesp's list o' the scummzors, guaranteed to be accurate in some way, shape or form currently unrealized:

Goblins

Cogito Ergo Sum
UltimaAvalon

Ninjas

Primate
Kison

Vote: Primate.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why do you have it in for me, Thesp?

I mean, I gave the town mike's alignment yesterday. That's more than Kison or UA has done.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

It was a gut read, Thesp. I have those from time to time.

Gonna look at that comment from Mgm now.

[Thesp]

Why do you have it in for me, Thesp?

I mean, I gave the town mike's alignment yesterday. That's more than Kison or UA has done.

You do have a point there. For what it's worth, after my analysis, I do think you're less likely to be scum than a couple of people, but I do have several people who I think are considerably more likely to be town than you. You don't give us a lot to work with.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Looking over the entirety of Mgm's posting, I don't agree with your theory, Thesp. Mgm never votes for or mentions Jordan. More than anything, I think it's just his knowledge speaking. He's looking for ninjas, so he's more likely to think he sees one.

[Thesp]

Looking over the entirety of Mgm's posting, I don't agree with your theory, Thesp. Mgm never votes for or mentions Jordan. More than anything, I think it's just his knowledge speaking. He's looking for ninjas, so he's more likely to think he sees one.

I do think this is entirely possible, but his comment seems so...

odd

, otherwise. Coupled with his voting on me, I think he found one, and was just trying to hide. I may be horribly wrong, and I know it's not at all clear cut.

CES, what do you think of other things and people? Have some guesses for us?

[Primate]

Primate (replaced JordanA24)

Notably, Mgm asks him Day 1:

You've slipped up. You're a ninja, aren't you?

On something relatively minor. I think this is actually the info he's dropping. I think it's worth exploring.

Speaking as an observer, I think Mgm was sufficiently into the pirate vs ninja speculation to make a point like that, and it naturally lead off from something that ergo said. I don't think Mgm's point is very good at all, but I don't think that it's a hint disguised as a bad argument, I just think it's a bad argument. And that's aside from the fact he never said another thing against Jordan all game past that argument. Also, generally if people are leaving a cop breadcrumb trail, they tend to make sure to do it every day, not just leaving some of their results behind, a bunch of things could have happened, like him targetting a dead man or whatever, but he never left anything day 2, which I would have expected him to do day 2 if he was in the habit of that.

I'd also say that the chances of Mgm investigating Jordan in a game with so many good players are minimal, and I think he'd make it less open to interpretation if he did decide to drop hints like that, but both of those things are wifom.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES, what do you think of other things and people? Have some guesses for us?

Well, my current point of view is:

Obv town:
CES

Cleared by role:
ooba
Thesp

Tends towards town:
cicero
The Fonz (his play here is markedly different from Smalltown)

Which leaves:
Primate
Lawrencelot
Kison
Ultima Avalon
as scum, but I'm having real troubles differentiating between these four.

[Thesp]

CES, what do you think of other things and people? Have some guesses for us?

Well, my current point of view is:

Obv town:
CES

Cleared by role:
ooba
Thesp

Tends towards town:
cicero
The Fonz (his play here is markedly different from Smalltown)

Which leaves:
Primate
Lawrencelot
Kison
Ultima Avalon
as scum, but I'm having real troubles differentiating between these four.

This is much more helpful. Thanks!