Countdown of the Illuminati GAME OVER

[dahill1]

/confirmed

[dahill1]

It looks like the SK made their first guarantee kill. We have a week before they can make another one.

This sentence feel really forced to anyone else?

fos: neko

it does seem somewhat suspicious but not enough for a vote yet

[dahill1]

What does everyone think of guardian btw?

Guardian had a good point with the "lynching multiple times in a week until we find the SK"

No lingering at L-1, L-2. once it's at L-3, L-4, just speed lynch if you have any real suspicion of the player. We need to get players dead at least once a week. That means in order to surprise the scum, we have to jump at the 5-6 day mark as well sometimes.

you seem to agree with this too, so i don't really see the reason you're voting for him

[dahill1]

miztef,
i saw your other reason (strange fos at ooba), but as you said it wasn't strong enough evidence for anything other than possibly a suspicion.

[dahill1]

we try to kill both of them! we win when all threats to the town have been eliminated

[dahill1]

Nabakov, read the end of the original game. Mitzef and ABR had codes that they would use if they were about to be lynched which would point out their targets for desperate daykills, and the order in which they would be attempting to kill them. That way, when they inevitably died from a failed daykill, their partners would know who they tried to kill, and would know not to target that person.

For town, if they could crack that code, they'd know who else was town-aligned since they would be in that coded list. But, remember, the scum are only dropping these codes when they're about to be lynched and are going on a suicidal mission, so even if we were to spot the code, we'd be finding out they were scum soon anyway. That's not the issue. The issue is the interpretation of the code afterwards, and I think it's a dangerous thing to try, as it could lead us down the wrong path.

Vote: neko

why try and send us on a wild goose chase looking for codes? even if we do, we probably won't be able to find any. also, we should be ahead of the SK, not at pace with him/her. so we should lynch more than once a week so we can get to the SK before he/she kills people.

[dahill1]

Except we can't for the previously mentioned reason the SK's kill lag refreshes after every lynch..... Not liking this lack of reading multiple things.

oops forgot about that!

but still..

Still think Neko's WIFOM, hysteria causing, and forced commenting deserves a vote over him though.

QFT so i'll keep my vote on him for now

[dahill1]

Well neko has answered most of my questions therefore i owe it to him not to vote for him this round. (even though i reckon he is sk since he first mentioned it)

therefore based on that fact i vote the next obvious scumbag which is max

vote max

just because answered questions about another thread doesn't mean he's innocent..and also can you explain why you think max is a scumbag?

[dahill1]

neko,
looking back on both of the points i had voted you on, i realized they were both kind of unwarranted. the SK killer thing was explained so my mistake. the reason i was suspicious about the whole codes thing was that it seemed like a WIFOM by just mentioning the fake codes. however, i can see what your intentions might have been. so for now i'm going to

unvote

as for muffinhead, he definitely is suspicious (not voting for neko just for helping him, voting max with no explanation), but as neko said he probably is just a newbie. we have to consider that he could be playing the newbie card and just using it as a front for any mistakes he makes, but i don't think thats the case

[dahill1]

he might be a newbie with a bad play style but...

vote: muffin

[dahill1]

Bum rush him now.

vote: miztef

[dahill1]

you have to take into consideration practically everyone on this page
and also you have to think if this is true as well vv

I believe the SK would realize this and attempt not to post around the time of the kill. I believe evidence like this is too WIFOM to find the serial killer. Players not connected with confirmed mafia and masons are the best bet.

[dahill1]

sorry i'm kind of a newb, can you explain the reference

[dahill1]

why go further into it? it's pretty straightfoward
"the SK could also be someone who hasn't posted tonight"
i realize thats WIFOMy but it also could be true

[dahill1]

armlx can you explain why you think miztef is confirmed not scum

[dahill1]

also to clarify, i'm not exactly supporting miztef's idea.
i'm just saying we have to look at all angles

[dahill1]

just clearing it up for neko, he did
(and yeah i know i'm like BM,quote at the bottom, etc.)

Holy crap, this is awesome. Bandwagon ho!

Vote: Miztef

[dahill1]

i still don't understand about the whole browsing hidden thingy but i was online

[dahill1]

Does my almost dieing not deter you at all to think I may be pro-town?

it changed my mind

unvote

and why are we voting flameaxe again?

I'm going with Flameaxe on this one, based on Miz's point about SK not posting, the fact that Kilroy died N1 and as DGB put it "he would kill him". And he posted nothing after the kilroy thing yesterday = 0 connections.

Vote Flameaxe

is it because of that?

[dahill1]

we are voting flameaxe because as neko said, Flameaxe has contributed literally nothing to the game.

well, that is true...
so to put pressure on him

vote: flameaxe

[dahill1]

I don't agree to lynching players with low content.

QFT. Some people are busy and I think Lloyds comment to flameaxe looks like a desperate attempt to get himself out of the spotlight

unvote: vote: Lloyd

^^

unvote, vote: lloyd

[dahill1]

vote: armlx

before he gets us!!

[dahill1]

i say we lynch miztef..
anyone else with me on this one?

[dahill1]

i say we lynch miztef..
anyone else with me on this one?

sadly, I kind of agree that I'm a good lynch.

However, please take into consideration that I was near dead and did not send in a kill list (This is definitely true because no one died).

oh right damn

[dahill1]

muffin, wtf.

i mean, i appreciate it, but WTF.....

DONT POST AS BEING DEAD.

that just made my day. especially the first line

[dahill1]

well should we bum rush neko..
and then be prepared to super quickly bum rush flameaxe?

[dahill1]

However, I can't help but get the feeling that the SK would want to hide themselves as best as possible. I believe the SK would probably post only a medicore amount, and try to have all his/her information as sound as possible to look pro-town.

In regards to "the list" of possible SK candidates, I'm thinking dahill is the most likely out of all them for SK. He has been in the "bum rush" of every player so far (to my knowledge), and has voted in other promising lynches as well (neko, flameaxe, myself). His posts are agreeable and helps keep him out of lurker range, but not in lots of activity range. twice he "forgot" that I was near lynch, and both times convinced him not to vote me. Thinking as an SK, the mafia are the only enemy you can find and look good in the town, so when I say I was near lynch, it seems to convince him I'm not scum, but I still could be SK. He doesn't even mention that I could be SK.

Dahill also pushed my idea that the SK could be outside of "the list"which would protect his hide if he is the SK.

He mentions as well that he'd like to "outpace the SK", which would mean more killings in this game overall. Not sure if he even realized (as SK) that the SK does get extra kills after each lynch.

i am not the SK.
also, you convinced others, not just me to unvote for you
furthermore, i didn't realize at first that the SK could kill after lynches because i'm not the SK
that is all

[dahill1]

wait, was neko lynched?

[dahill1]

no, not quit,e i dont think.

dahill, do you think we should?

at first i thought yeah, but those last few posts he made when he kind of doubt myself. of course, they could be an appeal to emotion so i'm not sure/
i'm leaning towards lynching him though

[dahill1]

deal! and yes i am town

vote: neko

[dahill1]

dahill if u vote in the next 5 minutes ill probably hammer.

i guess not..ah well, it is true that neko didnt go about killing everyone even when he was at L-1

[dahill1]

dahill if u vote in the next 5 minutes ill probably hammer.

i guess not..ah well, it is true that neko didnt go about killing everyone even when he was at L-1

I didn't understand this either, but there's not point for him to go down shooting, because if he shoots wrong, he dies anyway, and he loses just the same. As long as he isn't hammered, he has hope to survive and win.

Did that get that straight?

yep thanks

[dahill1]

unvote vote blazerunner

blazerunner what do you think about all of these accusations against you?

[dahill1]

haha i just got on
but yeah i was kinda scared
i'm leaning towards either a neko/flameaxe lynch

[dahill1]

Well if the SK can send his choice in anticipation of the lynch, I would totally vote for Flameaxe.

The case on Neko is based on him being bus'ed by the 4 dead mafiosi. So he could be the SK, but there is no case for that.

In fact, the last SK kill, these players were online:

Lloyd (scum)
armlx (scum)
Albert
Flameaxe
dahill

If sending an advance kill is possible, then I'd lean towards Albert, dahill or Flameaxe.

If sending an advance kill is NOT possible, then there is only one choice.

well since it's not me, and i dont think its albert..

vote flameaxe

[dahill1]

oh, forgot
hidden guests
but i'll keep my vote on flameaxe

[dahill1]

wait a minute wait a minute
to clarify, why can't you be on the list again?

[dahill1]

Note: Blazerunner was watching the thread, and he DID NOT VOTE.

Well, about 6 hours ago I left my dad's house in a hurry, didnt close the tabs and probably if he didnt shut donw the PC, it is there until now. I am going back there in some minutes, and then I will post more to my defense. But my defense to not voting is that. I left my tabs open. Probably I am counting as reading other threads then, for the same reason

too late to defend yourself now
but the good news is, now i believe you're innocent

[dahill1]

ooba's dead max

[dahill1]

Has anyone considered the possibility of Guardian being SK?

I've had thoughts of both Guardian and ABR possibly, by then I looked at a few things, and pretty much ruled it out. The fact that you are pointing at them suggests to me that YOU are a more likely SK/scum candidate than Guardian and ABR, statistically.

That's why I'm concentrating on Neko and Flameaxe. If not Neko, then I say Flameaxe. Reason: I am armed with a nifty chart.

i agree pretty much with this
also i'd be willing to go either way for either a neko or flameaxe lynch
(sorry if i already mentioned this btw!)

also QFT

I demand that Pooky re-run this multiple times, btw. <3 Mr. Bear.

[dahill1]

well for now my vote is on flameaxe
but i would hammer neko if the chance arrived

[dahill1]

Re-read Flameaxe. I don't want him dead today. He hasn't done anything wrong, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't even been on the site for a couple of days.

yeah i was kind of unsure about voting him too since he hasnt even been on in a little

[dahill1]

re-reading on samruc he mentions max in about all but 4 of his posts
seems to have major tunnelvision on him throughout the game
i can't figure out what tell this is though, seems more mafia than SK

[dahill1]

woah there, we still have 5 days...we can take our time now

[dahill1]

i'd go for a samruc lynch

[dahill1]

I refuse to lynch the following players:

Guardian
Max
Miztef
Samruc

explanation plz?

it seems like the attention is off of samruc and i'd probably vote for DG if needed..but have we forgotten about flameaxe?
just saying..

[dahill1]

I refuse to lynch the following players:

Guardian
Max
Miztef
Samruc

explanation plz?

Are you trying to fish for masons or something ?

Vote: Dahill

no i just want some sort of reasons
i'm also interested on why you accused me of fishing for masons so quickly

[dahill1]

I refuse to lynch the following players:

Guardian
Max
Miztef
Samruc

explanation plz?

it seems like the attention is off of samruc and i'd probably vote for DG if needed..but have we forgotten about flameaxe?
just saying..

Why does a loss off attention on Samruc affect your vote...

it doesn't really affect my vote, persay, i would still gladly vote for him but it's just that if no one else does then it's a pointless vote, and we need our votes to be used for justice! (that everyone agrees on)

[dahill1]

I refuse to lynch the following players:

Guardian
Max
Miztef
Samruc

explanation plz?

it seems like the attention is off of samruc and i'd probably vote for DG if needed..but have we forgotten about flameaxe?
just saying..

Why does a loss off attention on Samruc affect your vote...

it doesn't really affect my vote, persay, i would still gladly vote for him but it's just that if no one else does then it's a pointless vote, and we need our votes to be used for justice! (that everyone agrees on)

Do you think he is scum, or don't you? You can't just feel he is worthy of a vote because other people agree. Shit doesn't work like that.

i do think he is scum but this pretty much sums up how i am feeling at the moment about lynches

Samruc or DG. Pick one and vote, guys.

[dahill1]

unvote

now i'm a little more suspicious of DGB..
to me, (and i repeat to me) it seemed like she voted samruc because it was either samruc/DGB lynch..and once ABR started the neko BW she got right on that

vote DGB

...for now
i also have been getting cold feet a lot in this game

[dahill1]

someone vote DG so ABR can hammer!

[dahill1]

ok ok we can do this
she's at L-1
so if nobody unvotes someone can hammer

[dahill1]

hmm
we always think neko is a good lynch, but for some reason get cold feet every time
so the question is, should we go for it this time?

[dahill1]

just briefly reread guardian..
main points were that he thought neko was town and that samruc was scum
something we should consider when lynching

[dahill1]

red rover red rover i call flameaxe over
i agree he should post and not lurk, but it seems to like you're just trying to dig up a reason to bumrush him

I think DGB town suggests ABR scum, so..

have we forgot about this?

Vote: ABR

bumrush

[dahill1]

my vote on you isnt because of flameaxe

[dahill1]

i wanted to pressure him into posting...
just like you do now...

[dahill1]

You don't pressure a player with a 4th vote, after 3 consecutive votes on that player saying "5 votes left, 4 votes left".

i do

[dahill1]

I'm starting to agree with ABR here, it seems like dahill is lying. I haven't liked dahill's plays for most of the game, but I attributed it mostly to newbishness not scumminess.

Right now, I like max and neko, overall, I just don't think they are scum.

Samruc is a bit of a doozy, because he lurks (maybe unintentionally?), and isn't too helpful, but he hasn't actually done much openly scummy things.

ABR is risky, because I don't like how he wanted DGB dead, she dies, and it turns out she's not anti-town. That looks really bad on ABR, even if it is "pro-town" to push the town forward.

Flameaxe is a big lurker and posts almost uselessly. He does this in most games though, so I have no idea if he is actually scum or not. I don't know if it's worth the risk of to lynch him.

that is why i'm voting ABR.
i agree with you about max and neko (still a little sus about him), and samruc i'm not sure if he's lurking on purpose or not. flameaxe is

definitely

active in other games, scumchat, etc. he seems to be just avoiding this game

[dahill1]

given that he

still

has not responded to anything and i know he's here

unvote vote flameaxe

how many to lynch?

[dahill1]

max and samruc seemed more mafia-esque to me initially
also

I think DGB town suggests ABR scum, so..

vote ABR

i feel comfortable with this vote

[dahill1]

you were pushing heavily towards a DG lynch, who we all thought was scum
but as Guardian pointed "if she was town, you're probably scum".
also you started pretty much all of the bandwagons/bum rushes which wasn't necessarily bad because we lynched a lot of scum, but it's still suspicious because you directed us around.

[dahill1]

and ABR, just curious, who (besides me) would be your most suspicious/scummy?

[dahill1]

but Guardian was a mason...
and

for almost the whole game

you were affter DG, so yeah when she ended up being town, it made you a little suspicious[/b]

[dahill1]

I have been saying that I would agree with an ABR lynch. It's now just a matter of time until the end of his life.

if you agree with an ABR lynch, then you should probably vote for him

[dahill1]

unless you are the SK..

[dahill1]

I think we need to lynch either ABR or Samruc today. I'm leaning toward Samruc at the moment, but I need to do more rereading. I'll put much more explanation into my decision when I decide between the two.

Samruc, who would you like to lynch today? Once you answer, I think we'll have a good idea of where everyone is at for the moment.

this is what i'm thinking but to me, samruc seemed more like he would be in the mafia than a SK.

[dahill1]

I'm not the SK.

Seriously. While it's not conclusive evidence, I do have an argument for not being SK.

I don't want to use it yet though.

***

I've finally had a good reread. Neko is the most likely SK for me. There is plenty of proof that he is not a mason:

1) Look at Guardian's votes, Ooba's vote etc. Very unconsistent with how they treated other masons.
2) There is no living player that he could be paired with, if you look at it closely.
3) Several scum voted him too. This could mean nothing, but I'm pretty sure finding the SK was a distinct goal for scum too.

I know that there are three non-masons alive, which means lynching all of them won't be enough, but I'm convinced enough of this lynch.

Vote: Neko

this post made me way more suspicious of you not just because of the WIFOM (as you said that could be helpful) but because you are listing reasons why neko isn't a mason. at this point in the game, or at any point for that matter, it is not helpful to speculate who we think is a townie or mason. that information can only help the SK even more.

[dahill1]

Albert B. Rampage <- See above
samruc <- His introduction of WIFOM annoyed me, wifom in this game has no use the SK will create the wifom for himself
dahill1 <- He hammered (kind of odd don't you think) However once he'd hammered there was not an immediate SK kill, which leads me to believe neko is not SK
neko2086 <- See above
Max

Scummy To least Scummy (in my opinion (I suggest everyone does so)

i think at that point in the game, if i hadn't hammered no one else probably would have and the deadline was ending very soon. i believe my hammer was justified. as for who we lynch, i say ABR today and then the next day we discuss all of our options before quicklynching anyone.

[dahill1]

we discuss all of our options before quicklynching anyone.

wtf.....

what?

[dahill1]

someone should probably hammer about now..
also i might sig that last line

[dahill1]

nice try, but no i'm not answering that

[dahill1]

GG everyone.
ABR, if i were you i wouldn't given up as easily, you might have been able to make it..i would have kept trying to lynch you, but you could've convinced the others not to

[dahill1]

Guardian, you did well. Thanks for not hammering me

This was a slightly frustrating game as town, but, I have to say, it was loads of fun. Great setup, Pooky!

i could have sworn you were scum until towards the end.
but it must have really sucked as town