Countdown of the Illuminati GAME OVER

[Guardian]

/confirm

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We want to make lynches in this game as fast as possible. It is a race against the SK.

The mafia will (almost certainly) have a code for when they are "daykilling".

Yes, but they could also make up a fake code to lead the town to draw incorrect conclusions and connections, so I'd be careful when searching for such things.

O RLY?

They could have made up a fake code eh? Did you suggest that to them??

vote: neko2086

I agree that we should probably lynch once per week, thus keeping pace with the SK. If the SK is lynched, then we can take a little more time.

I think we should lynch at least once per week, preferably a few times if cases are there, until the SK is dead.

ooba's 20 is trying to look helpful, but isn't imo -- how else do we get the game started, sir??

fos: ooba

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good point about how the sk works >_>

1ce per week it is then.

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and bringing up mafia codes ..

Mitzef brought it up originally, actually. Do you find what I've said to be unhelpful to town?

No, I think it is quite helpful in indicating you are scum.

Do you find what I've said more unhelpful to town than what Mitzef has said?

I find your comment much more likely to be revealing your scum alignment than Miztef's.

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Miztef...

you talked about scum using a code that we should look for.

neko talked about how scum might have a counter fake-code so that we shouldn't look for the real code because we might see a fake code that isn't the real code because the scum are 10 steps ahead of us.

If you think I am applying a double standard to find the first one neutral, and the second one very scummy, you need to rethink your thinking.

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Because it implies knowledge of what the scum did, and is laden in thick goopy layers of WIFOM for the town to get stuck in, whether or not it is true.

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DGB, we could lynch Miztef, but I really find neko more promising at this juncture. Miztef is more likely to be an SK than neko though imo.

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unvote

I am now of the belief that neko is more likely to be town.

BTW, Discussing Tar's death is anti-town. Seriously. Think critically about it. If you discuss Tar's death or question me about this, I am likely to vote you.

vote: Miztef

until re-read.

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I support quick bandwagons in this game to allow scum not to get off a kill attempt before dying. Like, really quick. Like, -4 to lynch in a few hours.

I think that that is the breaking strategy here. Discuss?

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Samruc, I don't think that that post is at all indicative of Max being an SK. Lynching the SK is paramount here.

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To the bat mobile!

Quick, lynch Miztef now, scum partners buss him and stuffs, lynch Miztef die die quick wagonz .

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I encourage everyone to discuss my 128. I think it is the game breaking strategy here.

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Quick lynches are *good* for town because claiming in this game is usless. The only ones who benefit from having a 3 day delay before dying are scum, in that they can get off a kill in that time.

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unvote vote: muffin

This is acceptable. I literally encourage the next 5 consecutive posters to unvote and vote muffin.

Miztef can wait.

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5 votes on muffin head. 4 more needed. Next 4 players to post, vote muffinhead.

do it!!

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Woah wait a second guys! We have a few days to think about the next one, rushing and skipping the discussion/thought stage is kinda dumb.

Miztef looks promising; I want to re-read though.

But hold off on the quick wagoning, for reals.

3 mafia dead. Sweet!!

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I'm gonna go to bed soon.

I echo the thought that SK speculation based on posting is huge WIFOM.

Try to use a few days to scumhunt before quick lynching again. I'm happy my idea worked, and sure it was fun, but it only worked because it was based off of scum hunting. So hunt, peepz.

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I have more doubts about a Miztef lynch than I had about a muffin lynch. Especially with his while being wagoned posts, I find him more townlike.

I want to re-read; the quick lynch worked out excellently, but I think we were lucky to an extent, and especially with the great advantage we have now I don't want us to piddle it away by quick lynching townies.

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I'm like 50% sure armlx is scum (very high, compared to the 4/15 average at this point). If I get lynched or SK killed, I highly, strongly encourage looking after him later, and I ask that you

be especially sure to not forget this post if I am dead

.

However, I doubt highly that he is the SK, and we need to find the SK right now, and I think he'd be helpful in doing so. I don't think Miztef is scum, but definitely could be the SK. Lloyd definitely could be the SK also. They are my top two suspects before re-read.

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We can look, but no touching.

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I'm pretty sure I was online. I could be SK, by that logic, I think. I, like many others, have browsing hidden just for scenarios just as this. Were I SK, I would not have posted that night, and claimed to not have been online. Again, why I find this completely laden with WIFOM.

Oh, on re-read, I find BBM suspicious. Lurker scum-ish.

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vote: Flameaxe

7 more.

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dahill, Miztef, you're doing it wrong.

we are voting flameaxe because as neko said, Flameaxe has contributed literally nothing to the game.

So, if you could be so kind as to make a properly formatted post, in which you vote flameaxe and let us know how many more votes are needed... thx.

lloyd, with us!

Miztef, I think think there is great evidence on Flameaxe. I think quick lynching only works if someone notices a good reason to think someone else is scum, X other people agree and/or decide it is a good reason to bus, and then it explodes.

So, let's vote flameaxe?

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4 more. I expect the next 4 posters to vote Flameaxe, or be considered a Flameaxe sympathizer, a crime punishable by lynching.

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blaze, good c.
dgb, i disagree, i think she has good c, helped lynch scum iirc.
max, good c.
ooba, more post, helped lynch scum.
samruc, about as bad as flameaxe.
sarcastro, decent c.

flameaxe, by far the worst.

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unvote

for the moment. I am always on, if others continue the flameaxe rush I'll likely help end it.

However, armlx , you're pretty convincing :\.

I think Flameaxe could be armlx's buddy, and armlx is trying to make me look harder at lloyd-sk?

armlx, you can wink if this is true, and I'll back off.

This is another one of those really cool posts to read if I die and think *gee, guardian might actually be right*.

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Wow, 4 mafia dead, and only 2 from (presumably) failed kills? We are on the track to win .

I'm really not sure I buy armlx as anti-town. He did some great scum hunting on Lloyd. I am tempted to agree with him about Albert, too.

Still thinking Flameaxe might be the SK.

vote: Flameaxe

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11 alive, 1 mafia, 1 sk, 4 masons, 5 townies.

hells yeah. armlx's busing completely threw me.

I think lynching influential players 4 being influential is dumb.

For example, had I not suggested quicklynching, there's like 3 scum that wouldn't be dead. imo, lynching me is pretty idiotic. just ftr.

vote: neko

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muffin, wtf.

i mean, i appreciate it, but WTF.....

DONT POST AS BEING DEAD.

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wait, armlx WAS trying to find the SK.

but neko is also mafia.

flameaxe sk, neko mafia.

can i have my win yet?

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unvote

I need to think clearly in a non tired state about who is most likely and crap.

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tbh, i find that a town tell for dahill. im not sk and i didnt notice that too, i think sk would read their role PM.

my gut has been pretty solid this game.

vote: Flameaxe

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why would he kill you?

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i didn't realize at first that the SK could kill after lynches because i'm not the SK

Having a certain role does not necessarily increase one's attention to detail.

I disagree. I think as SK, anyone would be much more likely to know how the SK role worked.

No one has yet asserted that dahill was being deceitful, only that he didn't notice how his SK role worked.

I find him not noticing how his SK role worked to be very extremely unlikely.

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Well, the thing is, no one, until me just there, suggested that he was being deceitful about it.

That, to me, implies that they are making up bullshit, which is anti-town motivated. If this is true, there isn't much room left for dahill to be scum.

Let's see, who said this about dahill...

neko... who else? I can't find who brought this up, for sure.

I found neko scummy earlier. And, one thing I find as a poitn a gainst him, he asked me a question, I missed it an got suspicious of him, and he never brought it up again.

unvote vote neko

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Think I am, but

unvote vote: neko

just in case.

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vote 4 neko!

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I confused, voting for neko is following my case

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I better watch myself? You're gonna kill me or wut?

If neko is 90% scum and we just lynched him, isn't that a good thing?

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Err, misread, but still, if he is one of two scum... ??

did we lynch him? I'ma count.

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we need one more person to vote neko. if you post in thread, vote neko

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unvote

?

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Hm. The last scum wouldn't want to go down killing though.

Moving on.

vote: Flameaxe

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no, not quit,e i dont think.

dahill, do you think we should?

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Yeah he wants me to answer questions and shit, too...

unvote, vote neko

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unvote

,meh....

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dahill if u vote in the next 5 minutes ill probably hammer.

but up to you. you're town right?

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Yeah. but last scum or sk would be giving the game away if they shot someone.

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and failed*

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note the and failed*.

if mafia tried to shoot, and shot a townie, then oops gg mafia .

We won't know if SK tried to shoot, but the SK is supposed to save his kill, that way if it is just all masons + SK left, SK wins.

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neko, I don't really want to answer your question, and i dont think anyone would make me if you were dead.

Hmph.

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vote:
















Blazerunner

vote: Blazerunner

I agree with DGB here. I think DGB & Albert are just town arguing.

I think neko may be mafia, but Blaze is much more likely SK.

And because mafia AND SK have limited shooting capabilities, we can always lynch neko later. Bum rushing is not nearly as important now.

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lol dgb, sk only gets guaranteed kill every lynch, or every time we wait a week after lynching, which we have not done yet.

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sorry Guardian, but I didn't understand a damn thing you just said. Do us all a favor and quote or link or something.

I don't remember what I said, so that's hard .

Do you think I'm mafia or SK? If you're not sure, which do you think is more likely?

mafia more likely

Use some sort of reasoning and/or evidence, please.

. well, i think mafia just decided to bus the shit out of each other pregame. and they certainly wagoned the shit out of oyu. and also, some things I mentioned earlier that I forget now, that I feel mildly strong aobut.

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neko: i wasnt answering due to laziness.

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i really think dahill is town. not going to spoeculate which flavor, but i think he's town.

just so.. straightforward.

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anyways, dahill, sorry for breaking our deal. maybe we can make another deal later, and/or lynch neko at a later time. I don't think he's the SK though, so I think the later time would be much later-er than now.

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I recall the scum being pretty suspicious of you. so that when they died, people would be like "oh shit, no WAY they's be on the same team, they's were tryn'a get him lynched!".

It doesn't matter which flavor they were trying to say you were, what matters is they was all up in your grill saying you were not town.

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oh that post--

some people (I can't remember who except you)

were suspicious of dahill for what seemed liek a crap reason to me:

That he was an SK who didn't bother to read and understand his role PM.

You didn't assert that he was being deceitful, you asserted that he actaully didn't pay attention to his own role PM.

I think you're much more likely to read your own role PM in an open setup, especially as SK here, you want to know what powers you have.

So when you said that he was SK but misread his own PM, I thought you may have been using crap-logic.

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Maybe following armlx's SK hunting effors is a dubious strategy, I concede that.

However, only he and 2 (not 3, was it?) mafia were left, so at that point, he didn't have much busing besides lloyd to do; he HAD to be doing SOME scum hunting.

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dahill if u vote in the next 5 minutes ill probably hammer.

i guess not..ah well, it is true that neko didnt go about killing everyone even when he was at L-1

yeah but he wouldn't have done that if he were mafia...

cuz if he was wrong he dies, and loses.

mafia have very little incentive to use their mason kill thingy, because even townies can stick around and get em lynched and stuff.

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Yeah, I think the scum are likely in a subset of:
[Blaze, Flameaxe, neko, ooba, Samruc]

in decreasing order.

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neko, I just straight up diagree with you for 436. The mafia were busing like crazy, I bet they just started doing it and it rolled and they decided hell, let's just all bus the shit out of each other and maybe one of us survives.

I think that besides armlx, there was a very low quantity of SK hunting done by the mafia, and very little trying to frame townies too.

I got to go 'til later.
'Til then, I encourage Blazerunnah votes.

Peace dudes.

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That's disappointing. I wish I'd hammered neko, now.

I'm going to re-read this weekend and take this game seriously.

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I re-skimmed, and I bring significant news:

neko is town. let's not lynch him.

who is scum? I shall re-skim again!

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Miztef, we have 4 chances to lynch the SK (and mafia). 4 chances outright to lynch the SK if the SK happens to NK mafia.

If we lynch the SK early, we have *many* chances to lynch mafia.

My lack of providing a reason for neko was intentional. I won't be saying more, for good reason, that I'll gladly reveal post-game.

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I considered it, and then Pooky owned me with my role PM, neko. .

I demand that Pooky re-run this multiple times, btw. <3 Mr. Bear.

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Oh but neko, I

was

responding to you. .

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489 is a peculiar post.

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No, just if you see something, no reason to point it out and encourage the scum/SK to look for it. You could be a mason just WIFOMing though so w/e.

I think neko and dahill and me should not be lynched today. I've explained why for dahill, neko I've said as much as I'll say.

I need to eliminate 5 more... time to re-skim again .

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Re-read Flameaxe. I don't want him dead today. He hasn't done anything wrong, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't even been on the site for a couple of days.

So:

neko
Flameaxe
dahill
me

in order of least town to most town, I don't want to see any of them lynched today.

4 players left to eliminate...

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Hm. I find Miztef's wanting to eliminate someone moderately pro-town. Miztef's also acted really reasonable lately. The thing have irks me is how concerned he is. It isn't that he's too townie, it's that he is appearing to try and look townie.

A re-read of Max turned no dirt over. I haven't really gotten a read on him all game, but moderately pro-town is where I'll stick for now.

Hm:

Max
neko
Flameaxe
dahill
me

Leaves:

Samruc,
DGB,
ABR,
Miztef.

I think our last two scum lie among those. More re-reading.

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I can't decide if ABR is really pro-town or really pro-scum. I would want to lynch DGB before him.

Re-reading Samruc made me think Samruc was mafia . Miztef looks like SK or town.

Samruc
DGB
ABR
Miztef
Max
neko
Flameaxe
dahill
me

is my list.

vote: Samruc

tunnel vision, very little scum hunting or participation except for the Max death cry. We have 5 days to lynch, so we have some time, but not too much.

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Before anyone asks: I find Samruc to be the most anti-town player.

While my current read is mafia, I could be wrong and he could be SK -- and moreover, I find him to be the most likely anti-town player remaining, which to me seems like a great reason to lynch.

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All aboard! We're lynching Samruc!

Or DGB?

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We have to lynch in less than 2 days. 4 more votes on samruc'll do it.

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We have to lynch in less than 2 days. 4 more votes on samruc'll do it.

I will only vote max if he is the only option to prevent no lynch aside from samruc dgb abr miztef.

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unvote vote: DGB

samruc is still my first preference. I think DGB town suggests ABR scum, so..

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i'd hammer samruc.

we need to lynch SOMEONE before tomorrow to avoid SK killz again.

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dgb's lynch -1

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we need a lynch in like, a few hours. I'll hammer anyone. the SK gets a nother kill otherwise..................................

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We have <10 hours

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So DGB, were you scumz?

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When did Albert use/lose his kill?? How'd all those mafia die? Did the mafia have a code?

I'm quite pleased with myself in that game. I came up with the game breaking strategy and found a couple of scum . ABR you had us tricked for a long, long time, nice try.

After a bit, I started assuming Miztef was town/one of my mason partners. That worked out well , nice job Miztef. Good job dahill and Max, sticking around and making sure you lynched Albert .

Thanks for the game all, it was awesome.

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Oh -- excellent setup by Pooky, thank you for it, like I said please run this many times or give your blessing for others to do so.

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&Thanks neko -- I'm happy I didn't hammer you too .

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you mean that DGB was a mason??
When did he guess this?

Wow, uh, bad luck mafia? And way to go masons?

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DGB -- great job faking mason-hood. I didn't fall for it, obviously, but I guess you had many people fooled!