PIRATES v. NINJAS! Game Over!

[MrBuddyLee]

notoriously /in

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm back from the afterlife. Yoda sends hugs.

Fritz, Mace Windu gave me a wallet to give you--says BAD MOTHER****** on it.

All, I should be alive a few days assuming our town doctor has any common sense. You have no reason to trust me when I say this, but I have not switched alignment upon resurrection.

*dons hood, swings light saber around like a buffoon*

[MrBuddyLee]

Oh, also, without further ado, I believe this town has spoken:

dayvig: Gorrad

Better say your goodbyes before Stoofer posts--as I learned when I died, you're not allowed to even say "BAH!" after you're dead.

Everyone else please weigh in ASAP before Gorrad's alignment is known:

1) Was that a good vig or a bad vig?

2) Thesp is public enemy #2. Should we run him up next?

[MrBuddyLee]

Everyone else please weigh in ASAP before Gorrad's alignment is known:

1) Was that a good vig or a bad vig?

2) Thesp is public enemy #2. Should we run him up next?

Fritzler made his opinion clear. The other two of you, please state yours plainly. Everyone else who posts, please answer these questions or you will become a vig candidate.

The ability to destroy a scumbag is insignificant next to the power of the force.

[MrBuddyLee]

*taps foot*

*checks watch*

[MrBuddyLee]

Thesp, why would you get so ornery about:

1) me asking people their opinion of your alignment
2) me asking if Gorrad should die immediately
3) me getting Gorrad to tell his scumpartners goodbye before he's gone

ps, to fritz: patience, padawan

[MrBuddyLee]

Fritz brought me back cause I got a lightsaber and I plan to use it in his name. I mean, how often do you get your own pocket Jedi?

[MrBuddyLee]

The fake vig of Gorrad was to move the day along. He had a nice huge wagon and the #2 target wasn't going to get lynched over Gorrad. I was hoping Gorrad was scum and would give a Bah Go Ninjas post or some such, or that an incompetent scumpartner would panic in the face of the vig and say that they mistrusted Gorrad all along. I also wanted to see who was reticent about running up Thesp next.

Oh well, at least we've gotten some reactions. I actually don't get to vig this afternoon. I'll read the thread carefully this afternoon to find the bastards who killed me.

[MrBuddyLee]

An excellent point. FoS retracted. Note to self...Never post at 2 am.

He's not confirmed inncoent.

FoS: TSQ

ps. *hug*

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm trying to decide if MBL's play is scummy or stupid, and I'm leaning towards the latter. Anyone know if his play is usually this terrible?

Care to clarify? After all, you're the bonehead who outed your "mason partner".

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm trying to decide if MBL's play is scummy or stupid, and I'm leaning towards the latter. Anyone know if his play is usually this terrible?

I think it's unlikely he's scum right now - I find it highly unlikely scum would fake a dayvig like he did.

Why not? What would scum stand to lose by doing so? Certainly their scumpartners wouldn't be endangered by it, and they'd have a shot at outing a member of the opposite scumgroup... unless there IS no opposite scumgroup.

Hmm...

[MrBuddyLee]

And y'all aren't 'confirmed' innocents until one of you gets killed.

Choose your words more carefully... this sentence implies that you know they're real pro-town masons but the town won't know that until one of them dies. OR it implies that you're scumpartners with them.

Hmm... two examples in a row of people accidentally hinting at inside knowledge that there's only one scumgroup.

[MrBuddyLee]

If this comes across as pedantic, I apologize, but I think Gorrad needs to learn these things before he sets foot in another mafia game:

a) faking a dayvig you do not have (I find faked roles scummy/bad play no matter the context)

The main reason not to fake an action is so you don't make people think you're scummy when you're actually town. But I'm fairly close to confirmed town, so that's not much of a risk here.

There are several reactions you could get from faking an action that would be beneficial to town.

* You could get scum to panic and make a statement they otherwise wouldn't. Town has no reason to panic--they're not lying about their beliefs and alignment.
* You could get a shoddy scumbag to make a hasty fakeclaim that would pin them in a corner later.
* You could get shoddy town to claim their role, thus getting them out of the way and allowing real scum to be pursued that day.

In my case, I absolutely accomplished one of those three, and the rest of us don't know which one it was yet. Except, in the case that there's only one scumteam...

* The hasty claim made by the townie might result in scum making hasty statements about the truthfulness of the claim.

For example, if someone is too ready to assume your township after that claim, they very well could be scum who actually DOES know you're a mason. If someone's too skeptical of your claim, they could very well be your scumpartner trying to look good by being the first to "realize" you're full of shit.

So yeah, I think your blanket assertion that all faked actions are terrible for town is utterly wrong. In a game called Mormon Missionary Mafia, at a point in the game where a lie could no longer hurt me as town, I lied and told everyone I had a self-protect that I'd be using that night. I didn't actually have a self-protect, but the lie allowed me to survive the night, perform my real night action, and help win us the game.

In the future, you may want to make a distinction between "play you don't understand" and "stupid play". For example, your outing of your mason partner was stupid play. (Unless you're scum.) My faking a dayvig may very well have saved your ass today, and almost certainly will allow us more time to find an alternative lynch if you are town, which is "clever play you don't understand".

and then b) denying the fact that I'm certainly town, as seen in the post above.

You don't seem to get this subtlety. YOU may know you're certainly town, but it's very likely that no one else in the game besides you and your partner knows that. I have absolutely no way of telling for certain whether:

A) You and your partner are masons guaranteed innocent to each other.
or
B) You and your scumpartner agreed to a fakeclaim of masons night 1 right before YOU MURDERED ME IN COLD BLOOD!

snap je?

[MrBuddyLee]

Maybe you won't consider us 'confirmed innocents' until one of us dies, but why would scum out another scum in the way Gorrad did?

Panic. Because there's such a thing as "dumb scum" and I've seen scum make mistakes like that before. Regardless, I don't think either of you are a target for lynch today. Find the scum.

[MrBuddyLee]

By the way, I'm holding off on releasing my N1 Vig target for several reasons.

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: Jordan

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: kscope

Play the game.

[MrBuddyLee]

/confirm

FoS: Mikeburnfire

Liar. I can't recall playing a game with you.

That reminds me... I need a new one Smile

Vote: TSQ

"I get good vibes from thok"
That's usually a scumtell

Unvote Vote: Thok

Unvote Vote: Skruffs

I think the people you named are very well capable of hunting scum, but instead of wasting their time on long and useless posts, they make short ones, so people don't get the idea they're reading an essay made by Hilary Clinton

Meh, this game is going way to fast. Someone mind giving a short summary?

Unvote Vote: Twomz

He strikes me as scummy.

Have you played with Twomz Kscope at all before?

Oh, figured.

Content is overrated. You should vote for the people you consider suspicious.

We still have 6 days, so I see no reasons to change my mind now. Vote is staying.

Twomz is a mason since when...?

I've readed that, but I've not readed where you claimed mason...

I'm on the playerlist, thus I play the game. Can't help it if my way of playing a game doesn't satisfy the majority of people here.

Unimpressive. You have given 0.0 reasoning for your votes and FOSes. You're flippant. You say content is overrated in the same sentence you say we should have some way of finding people suspicious AKA the content they post.

You CAN help it if your way of doing things doesn't satisfy. You can tweak your approach. I hope you take a more proactive approach towards your significant other.

i keed

[MrBuddyLee]

unvote

to leave room for a few more rampant bandwagoners to express their sentiments with no accompanying text.

[MrBuddyLee]

Ha, you ninja tards tried to kill me didn't you? Eat lightsaber!

*pours out a 40 for Dr. Frankenstein*

[MrBuddyLee]

Guardian, why are you disappointed about the death of:

Bruce Lee (Ninja Protector)

?

[MrBuddyLee]

Guardian, I'm saddened that you targeted me N1. Please explain before I take you off my Christmas card list.

Also, why did you imply that my vig target was town in a post of yours early today? Ninja = town?

[MrBuddyLee]

vote: erg0

[MrBuddyLee]

It appeared Thok had been flavor-caught by scum, as scum. It appeared Erg0 had been "nightkilled" and the kill had failed, and thus the goblins knew he was scum.

The sensible play was to let the goblin killing group kill Erg0 AGAIN (since the 2nd time the kill actually works) and I would take the OTHER scum (Thok) out since scum couldn't one-shot him. Unfortunately, the remaining goblin is not sensible.

Looks like the ninjas hit Kscope two nights in a row? I imagine the dirty hookhands were on his wagon hoping to ring him up yesterday, but there's no guarantee of that.

Can someone on the ninja team please tell me whether they think Erg0 is a pirate?

[MrBuddyLee]

KaleiÐoscøpe: 5 (Fritzler,

Thesp

,

Twomz

,

cicero

, Thestatusquo)
KaleiÐoscøpe: 9 (Fritzler,

Thesp

,

Twomz

,

cicero

, Thestatusquo,

Claus

, MrBuddyLee, hasdgfas,

Rosso Carne

)
KaleiÐoscøpe: 8 (Fritzler,

Thesp

,

Twomz

,

cicero

, Thestatusquo,

Claus

, hasdgfas,

Rosso Carne

)
KaleiÐoscøpe: 8 (

Thesp

,

Twomz

,

cicero

,

Thestatusquo

,

Claus

, hasdgfas,

Rosso Carne

, Guardian)
KaleiÐoscøpe: 8 (

Thesp

,

Twomz

,

cicero

,

Claus

, hasdgfas,

Rosso Carne

, Guardian, mikeburnfire)
KaleiÐoscøpe: 9 (

Thesp

,

Twomz

,

cicero

,

Claus

, hasdgfas,

Rosso Carne

, Guardian, mikeburnfire, Xtoxm)

Ninjas would be on kscope yesterday like Star Jones on a t-bone. In early, and not letting go til it's in da belly.

In other news, our Ninja Finder appeared to be on Thesp like flies on shinola.

unvote, vote: Thesp

[MrBuddyLee]

And i've also noticed that we've started to talk about the lone goblin or the last goblin (including myself) - All we have to back that up is the word of a dying scum for whom lying about the size about his group is in his best interests. (This has happened in the NoXKill i played in - one scum was outed and he continuously kept claiming 2 scum in his group while there were actually 3)

If, as the 3rd goblin, you'd like to no-kill for the next few nights to conceal your presence, that'd be just fine with the rest of us.

[MrBuddyLee]

I agree, Skruffs smells TERRIBLE this game. I've been thinking that for the last two game days or so.

Thesp
Erg0
Skruffs
diediedie

Can anyone with some spare time today please do a review of who's undercontributing so we can duly threaten them?
*brandishes lightsaber*

[MrBuddyLee]

3. Erg0
9. mikeburnfire
15. The Fonz
16. Thesp
17. Twomz

My guess is that at least one of these people is a Ninja, possibly two. I don't think Kison is a Ninja. Or a goblin.

[MrBuddyLee]

this is what i meant about confirmed not equalling correct.

Who said anything about having to be correct? You're awful defensive there, Chico...

[MrBuddyLee]

Now both of you are repeating Thesp's sentiments; his argument has basically been one of repetition.

I'm voting Thesp and sincerely want him dead unless he makes a miracle post. My assessment of you is independent of that. Basically, you're trying to impugn my opinion because it's shared by scum, which would be scummy of you in a 2-way, let alone a 3-way game.

And I reserve the right to kill worthless doctors--I get green stamps which I can redeem for valuable prizes.
*points lightsaber at Twomz, then points over the left field fence*

[MrBuddyLee]

I think Thesp's role is an ideal scum role in this particular game with 3 killing groups:

* It disincents him from "vigging" except in emergencies, because he'll lose his cover. A town vig would be less concerned about the tradeoff.

* It incents him heavily to kill rival scum and punishes him heavily for killing town, so it is not a role biased against town.

* It makes up for the difficulty imposed by scumgroups having to tag TWICE at night to kill.

* It provides him with a decent, but not overpowering, safeclaim.

I don't like that his flavor is "nearly ninja". Particularly considering he knows his kills (day or night) will all be carried out with "samurai/ninja flavor".

I don't like the fact that he's been so zeroed in on Skruffs as a dayvig... it seems there's more meat to that accusation, as if his scumpartner has a tracking role...

His reaction to my fake dayvig was understated, then overstated, as if he almost forgot what his safeclaim was, then overreacted to get his "reaction" on the books asap.

I've thought Thesp was a ninja for some time now, and now that his claimed flavor fits, I'm thinking the hunch was right. He's one of the few people I could see targeting me N1, his play re: kscope fits scum whose NK failed N2, he was TOO unsubtle about counterclaiming my dayvig.

As Thesp would say, I don't think Thesp should be allowed anywhere near endgame. I think he should be run up every day and forced to vig before the lynch occurs. He has plenty of people he finds scummy, and likely for VERY good reasons. I say we put him to the test now, and every day.

Thesp, Twomz, cicero, Claus, VERY quick to get on the kscope wagon. Remember, at least two ninjas knew scope was scum to start D2. Thesp and Twomz try to act all offhand casual about their votes but there is clearly intent there. Not likely that Fonz or Iammars are ninjas, for similar reasons--they defend and ignore scope, when that's not likely what a ninja would do. TSQ and UltimaAvalon are also suspect in the way they hop on kscope.

Lynch Thesp NOW, people. Make him dayvig.

[MrBuddyLee]

Claus and cicero avoiding the Thesp lynch = protective behavior by a fellow ninja.

[MrBuddyLee]

Thesp was pushing too hard, and too seriously, a much too silly bandwagon. And then later he begins to cheer both bandwagons. Thus the vote.

Thesp: I don't want to lynch you nomore. We should be getting rid of scummy and lurky players early in the game, not scummy and wordy players.

So, I'm putting my ass on the line by booing Thesp wagon

That said, If I weren't voting for Kscope/a random lurker, I would vote for one of these people (out of my head):

- Thesp: For jumping around bandwagons, and pushing the Yarr-Lynch

Vote: Thesp

Because this wagon needs more care and loving.

His early vote on Thesp does seem like a cop sign to me. And he had reasons to investigate Thesp N1. So I think the MGM theory does weight against Thesp.

Still, folks, Erg0 is the play today.

I don't believe Thesp's claim. I don't actually believe he even has the power he claims - it is the kind of claim that is too easy to say "why use it now, we can save it for later, huh?".

Wishy-washy. One sentence on Erg0 all game, a multitude of negative opinions re: Thesp, and yet your vote is for erg0. I'd like a comparative analysis from you, please.

Thesp, Erg0, what do you guys make of Claus's (and cicero's) behavior re: you?

[MrBuddyLee]

There are two dead scum. If Thesp is scum, there are only threeish scum alive to direct him. If Erg0 is scum, there are only twoish scum we might consider listening to about who Thesp should target. 14 town directing Thesp, 2 scum directing Thesp. I'll take those odds.

unvote, vote: Erg0.

Claim or die, please.

ps. What's wrong with scum directing a dayvig, anyway? They clearly know better than we do who the scum are!

pps. Dear scum, please help me decide who to kill tonight!

ppps. To those blindly trusting Twomz's roleclaim, do you really think Stoof would have put 8 no-brainer confirmable roles in the game? 3 Protectors, 3 Finders, 1 Vig, 1 Resurrector! Surely at least one is scum?!

[MrBuddyLee]

erg0, please claim.

[MrBuddyLee]

unvote, vote: Thesp

attn: Kaleidoscope's scumpartner... can you please kill me tonight? Thanks.

(is directing the scum scummy?)

[MrBuddyLee]

I said I was 1000% sure MBL didn't have a daykill - because his role was "Vig" and mine was "Day Vig". I knew there was an explicit difference between our roles. (On that note, I'm not sure what MBL means when he says my reaction was "understated, then overstated". Can you explain what you see there?)

Sure. Understated:

I don't believe MrBuddyLee for a moment.

I also think,

if this is indeed genuine

, that this play was not wise.

Also,

it appears

MBL was lying. *sigh*

Two separate posts casting casual aspersions on my fakevig (italicized phrases show feigned uncertainty). In each, you hint at some personal uncertainty about my dayvig and conceal your "role" from the rest of us. You claim

you're

a dayvig, so for some reason you decided at 9am that you'd indicate some measure of uncertainty about the possible dayvig in an effort to conceal yourself. Or because I MIGHT have been a real dayvig...

Then, later that day, Overstated:

I'm a

1000% sure

MBL's vig was fake.

So after eight hours to think about it, and after eight posts about Gorrad, vigs, after the mod essentially ignoring my fakevig, and other miscellaneous issues giving you confidence that I had no dayvigging abilities, you decided to make it VERY clear that you're a "dayvig". Eight hours of understating your vigness, followed by a blatant, somewhat readable roleclaim. At least I read it as a possible dayvig counterclaim.

So why the shift over the course of the day? One theory of mine is that you forgot your fakeclaim was dayvig... for eight hours at least... and/or that you were waiting it out to be sure I didn't have a dayvig ability which would make your fakeclaim obsolete.

But it's also odd that you chose to out yourself at 5pm over something terribly insignificant (a near-confirmed vig faking a dayvig). You didn't seem too concerned about self-preservation there, and seemed more concerned with laying the groundwork for a dayvig claim/fakeclaim.

Kapische

?

[MrBuddyLee]

Why aren't you voting for Thesp, MBL?

I am.

FOS: CES

You actually think that scum would fake a publically confirmable role

that doesn't verify alignment

without having the ability to back it up? Ponder it. The answer may well be "yes", but I want to make sure you've thought it through.

I think I'm on the record as believing your role would be an excellent scum role, and would be confirmable, and that you're quite prepared to back it up. As you'll find out when you vig Erg0 today, exercising your rolepower will earn you at least a few measures of protown street cred, so I believe that as scum you'd have had conflicting incentives to hide it and hint at it. Town would have hidden it.

Essentially, I'm not convinced you reacted in a consistent fashion I'd expect from town.

[MrBuddyLee]

Thesp has to weigh the fact that "he may get vigged if he doesn't vig" against his desire not to vig today.

I realize that by saying this I may encourage scumThesp to use his "vig" power on me today so he can go out in an ignominious blaze of glory, but there are reasons why that wouldn't be an optimal play for his team regardless.

If you have an opinion on whether Thesp should die tonight if he doesn't vig today, it's best that you express that now.

[MrBuddyLee]

Should I kill Thesp tonight regardless of Erg0's alignment?

Unless I hear otherwise, the answer is currently: "yes".

[MrBuddyLee]

I really wanted to complete my trifecta of doctors with Twomz, but Skruffs just

had

to goad me:

it will hopefully get scum to try to hunt each other instead of decimating the town. (They can rely on MBL to do that).

(MBL's restriction of course is that he can only kill doctors, har har)

Could have easily been ninjIammars eating sabre instead of you, Cap'n.
Protip: don't goad the vig. Savvy?

[MrBuddyLee]

26 players, 3x2 scum, 1 vig would play out as follows on average:

N0 2.5 dead town
D1 .3 lynch of scum, .7 lynch of town
N1 .5 dead scum, 2 dead town, .3 vigged scum, .7 vigged town
D2 .4 lynch of scum, .6 lynch of town
N2 1 dead scum, 1.5 dead town, .2 vigged scum, .5 vigged town
D3 .6 lynch of scum, .4 lynch of town
N3 1 dead scum, 1.5 dead town, .1 vigged scum, .3 vigged town
D4 .6 lynch of scum, .4 lynch of town
N4 1 dead scum, 1.5 dead town, .1 vigged scum, .2 vigged town

Result: 4.5 dead scum, 12 dead town
leaving: 1.5 scum, 9.5 town

A little unbalanced. There's probably one scumteam of three and two teams of two or some shit like that. Tough to say, but definitely NOT three teams of three.

[MrBuddyLee]

Also, you guys REALLY think Iammars is dumb town and not incompetent scum? I had a really hard time vigging Skruffs over him. Read his play and tell me where all the bizarre statements and stuff come from.

Also, it's not my fault I never heard about my character before, and Wikipedia sure isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.

It assumes that I saw my role PM, saw that I was ninja scum, then decided that pirates would have to be town and therefore confirm town.

My role is either one of two things: Pirate or not pirate and not ninja.

and the ninjas have already obviously hit the pirates twice,

When?

Two hit rule?

Good point, forgot about that rule.

I think cicero is probably town, mostly because of the way that he argued against my wagon on Day 1

Vampires generally represent cults. I think he's a cult-immune townie.
That's all I'm saying now.

This was also back when I thought that the game would be split in half between ninjas and pirates.

You thought the game was split between ninjas and pirates when you were a Vampire Finder???

Huh?

Well, more split than it turned out to be. I wasn't expecting the pirates and ninjas to be two scum groups with other people as the town.

Also, in Iammars' big "analysis" post, his biggest batch of comments was on the confirmed vig. Who'd be concerned about a vig enough to waste valuable scumhunting time pestering them? A: scum

[MrBuddyLee]

What do you think of the fact that Iammars claimed to be a Vampire Hunter well before a Communist Hunter came to light?

FOS: Thesp

Safeclaims.

[MrBuddyLee]

I'm watching, taking a step back to see who sees what I see and who's avoiding bringing it up...

[MrBuddyLee]

You guys, so much vig hate.

Let me explain my crappy thinking.

First night nokill, give everyone a chance to play.

Second night kill the doofus who, unprovoked, blatantly hinted at being a doctor. Who does that? A liar, that's who!

I find it interesting that eveyrone and their dog targetted MBL on N0.

I didn't, unfortunately.

Third night believe the scum, thinking they got a cross-kill hit or two.

anyways, i tried to kill erg0 last night. he is 100% scum.

I also have role-based information that Thok is on an opposing scum faction. well, my buddy does. so he is another good lynch. 100% scum.

Fourth night kill the obvScum Skruffs.

Fifth night kill the guy who used his safeclaim after not knowing whether his role was a pirate or not. I mean seriously, how hard is it to figure out on the internet that Abraham van Helsing is not a pirate? I called shenanigans:

Also, it's not my fault I never heard about my character before, and Wikipedia sure isn't helping me.

And how does this post say that I can't find it in Wikipedia?

Wikipedia just isn't helping me determine whether or not my character is a pirate.

My role is either one of two things: Pirate or not pirate and not ninja. I'm leaning heavily towards the second, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm going to PM stoofer about it.

Remember when I mentioned that I expected that there were people who weren't pirates or ninjas? That's because my role deals with vampires too. I'm a Vampire Finder (Abraham Van Helsing)

Actually my role was:

You are Luke Skywalker. You are a Retard Vig.

I thought it meant I won by vigging retards but in retrospect, the actual meaning is obvious.

[MrBuddyLee]

Let's all practice together for next game.

pirate



not a pirate



pirate



not a pirate

[MrBuddyLee]

I had a safe claim of Don Quixote, Giant Hunter, that I really wanted to use. I even breadcrumbed it. Was considering on saying I was paranoid.

This is why Iammars had to die, in my opinion. It looked like he confused his safeclaim (a null protector/hunter) with his actual role, then faked confusion.