Mini #564 - Mafia in Crubtown - Game Over

[zeddicus]

hello everyone. lets start off with a

vote:thevampireofdusseldorf

.

that name is much too long.

[zeddicus]

unvote, vote: windkirby

for saying the second vote is scummy when one person (mozsuggs) does it, but not when another places a second vote (Pink Puppy).

[zeddicus]

[dice*]1d12[/dice*]

except remove the "*"

turns out like this:

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[zeddicus]

away for 2 days. sorry.

[zeddicus]

unvote, vote: windkirby

for saying the second vote is scummy when one person (mozsuggs) does it, but not when another places a second vote (Pink Puppy).

did everyone miss this?

I still don't understand how you can justify a vote, even a random one, with what amounts to a double standard.

[zeddicus]

He wrote a lot more that PP did, seeming like he was trying to make the fact that he was putting a second vote on VoD more normal.

a lot more? let's examine that claim.

Yeah I'm with you on that!
VOTE THEVAMPIREOFDUSSELDORF

No offence Vampire-completely random. Sorry.

2 sentences, plus a vote.

vote vikingfan for being in both my minis right now.

1 sentence, plus a vote.

so, moz "wrote a lot more"? I didn't realize one sentence was "a lot"

[zeddicus]

Indeed cephrir, the overall feel of the post does seem defensive. i should really change my vote- oh wait, its already on windkirby.

also:

What happened was that I looked at mozsugg's vote and thought it was like maybe a 2/10 on my scum-o-meter

it registered on your scumdar at all? yet it was "not serious"?

seems odd.

Basically, I defended myself with two different points. "What? Two different points? Scumtell! Deserves an FoS!" is a reaction that I fail to comprehend.

two points that try to let you play the "its random" side, as well as have a different defense. playing both sides is scummy.

[zeddicus]

Dude, you ninja'd me. Not cool.

sorry about that.

There's a huge difference between a random vote and a not serious vote.

"huge" like the difference between 2.5 and 1? Sorry If i'm a bit skeptical of your standards for being "a lot" or "huge". They are basically the same. (in this case, not in 2.5 and 1)

note that my scum-o-meter works on a post-to-post scoring system, not accumulative

as Cephrir said, your scumdar needs fixing.

he seemed more scummy than PP's was

how so?

I still felt it would be put to better use on Mogsuggz than PP

why? why not have a different random reason on a different person?

[zeddicus]

What on earth are those two posts supposed to mean, Akonas?

bump. The two posts in question are:

Vote: vikingfan. You are not taking this nearly seriously enough.

Vote: QuantumFruit. You are taking this far too seriously.

and

I tried to put a third vote on someone and see if anyone jumped on me for it.

You support the "scum is third on the bandwagon" meta?

Reasons talitha?

[zeddicus]

FoS: Mozsugg

care to post some content?

No, I think it's ridiculous, but I know some people believe it.

then be happy you have a town that agrees with you.

[zeddicus]

EBWOP "town" here meaning "group of people"

[zeddicus]

Just going off general impressions.

care to explain why your general impressions mark me as scum?

Shall we just kill someone?

eager for night?

unvote, vote:mozsuggs

darkdude, none of those reasons are baseless, they all have very good points. You pushed a wagon without adding your vote to it.

Major FoS: darkdude

I need two votes. =/

Also, what does "IGMEOY" mean?

I've Got My Eye On You

[zeddicus]

unvote, vote: darkdude

one vote on you and you talk about being lynched? I also get a defeatist attitude vibe from your last post (140).

also, you are basically just OMGUSsing Yvonne.

we need to lynch darkdude now.

[zeddicus]

@VoD, i dont like to give numbers, but if i had to, 7. happy?

i still think windkirby is scummy, just not AS scummy as darkdude or mozsuggs.

[zeddicus]

Big FoS: mozsuggs

did you completely miss us ask for more content? [/b]

[zeddicus]

I still think darkdude is scum. but this new stuff from mozsuggs...

all of post 178 was quite defensive, and i agree with vikingfan in that some others feel like backtracking.

WHAT CONTENT DO YOU WANT

the kind where you tell us who you find suspicious for legitimate reasons, not just OMGUS

Surely anyone would claim town.

Pooky claimed scum in "Choose Someone Else's Role Mafia"
and i think Now A Ranger claimed scum somewhere as well.

yes, they are exceptions, just figured i'd say it.

FoS AKONAS
Fos VIKINGFAN

attacking the people who hopped on the bandwagon after you became over defensive. OMGUS.

UNVOTE, VOTE CEPHIR.

voting the person who has suspected you the longest, OMGUS.

Pink Puppy points out inconsistencies in post 189.

How many scum in a 12 player game?

i agree, from all i've read, 3 is fairly standard.

mozsuggs, your arguments on people boil down to "he's voting me, so he must be scum, because i'm town!" which is a bad thing. OMGUS actually.

[zeddicus]

What, have you read, like, every game ever? o_O

you have NO IDEA how much that just made me laugh. I read Choose lately, and heard about the Now a Ranger thing somewhere else. I happened to read some games before joining the site, then read a lot more after joining.

And in a weird way, i almost want to get lynched now, just so people can see how wrong and inept you are.

defeatist attitude, not good for town

No, my entire line of logic is "Fuck off, I'm innocent".

which isn't really logic at all.

you are giving scum a huge advantage.

how so? by pressuring someone?

Right well, the bad new is I am going to claim.

with nobody asking for a claim? usually one waits until lynch -1. (from what i have read at least)

that i am avanilla townie

this isn't really that convincing, and it leaves two options if we lynch you now
1) we lynch scum
2) we avoid lynching/exposing a power role

AS i ma town, your entire argument was wrong.

unless you can prove this, then you have nothing.

[zeddicus]

ok, so maybe claiming was a sound move. But from what i have read so far, claiming is standardly at lynch -1. maybe someone with experience could clarify if it is indeed, usual practice.

yes, honesty is better than lying. of course it is. I'm just saying it means you aren't a power role. Which means, as i stated earlier, if we lynch you one of two things happen
1) we lynch scum
2) we avoid uncovering a power role

also, i forgot last post,

unvote, vote: Mozsuggs

i believe that is lynch -2.

[zeddicus]

where you give up, showing more defeatist attitude?

[zeddicus]

sorry guys, i was a bit busy. schoolwork and all.

I think you should read all of a person's posts before putting the hammer on!

i agree with this.

I don't like the fact that VoD kills moz without seeming all that convinced that he's scum, just that he's sick of dealing with him. Not pro-town in the least.

I also think the hammer was a bit hasty.

Guys I didn't realize that that was the hammer

hadn't i recently said that it was lynch -2?

The darkdude thing is Wifom. So is the fact that he brought it up.

Truth.

Just because something is an obvious scum action doesn't mean scum try not to do it. They can do it and then say, "oops I didn't realize" or "do you really think scum would be that stupid?" Both arguments are WIFOM because we can't know their motivation.

If we let people get away with scummy play, then we really decrease our ability to tell scummy play from townie play.

This is basically what i was thinking as well.

That said I agree with Pink Puppy. I want VoD to claim.

why exactly? you said this when he had three votes on him, and yours wasn't. seems suspicious.

I am torn between voting for VoD or voting for darkdude.