Mini 557 - Contagion - The End!

[somestrangeflea]

i think flea quit the site.

lol

Uhm no.

1 to 10, top to bottom.

Original Roll String: 1d10

1 10-Sided Dice: (4) = 4

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: DoS

You can't argue with dice...

[somestrangeflea]

I don't think you know what fishing is.

Yes.

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote
Vote: UA

The Jester would've been 2.

Try to guess why.

[somestrangeflea]

Therefore, I think this game is strongly lienient toward the town, because even if we myslinch, the contagious townie has a second chance.

Indeed. The Mafia only get a kill when we lynch correctly (that is, since they are infected, they will in turn, infect and kill a townie), in comparison to a "normal" setup when they get a kill regardless of who we lynch.

Essentially, we have a game of Vengeful, where

everyone who dies gets a kill

.

Mhm.

[somestrangeflea]

The Infected Mouse only counts for 0.001 of a vote.

With 11 alive, a majority is anything greater than 5.5. It takes a whole vote to push the count over the "lynch boundary", hence (for the moment anyway), the infected mouse

does not actually matter

.

With 10 alive, on the other hand, a majority is anything greater than 5, and 0.001 of a vote is enough to push the count from 5 to "over 5", and hence getting a lynch.

The conclusion: The Infected Mouse functions as a full vote when an even number of players are alive, and does not matter at all when an odd number of players are alive.

[somestrangeflea]

Definitely shouldn't lynch till now, as soon as we lynch someone the roller-coaster will start.

You have high hopes for Day 1...

We should devise a chart of sorts, who the top three most suspicious people are for each person and why. Hmmm.

Trying to actively delay progress is not a pro-town action.

My prime suspects are The Jester, Skitzer and Simenon, for rubbing me the wrong way, being the target of IM, and acting scummy respectively.

I'm going to be blunt. "Rubbing me the wrong way" and "acting scummy" don't cut it. LET'S BE MORE SPECIFIC PLEASE.
And being the Infected Mouse's target is a scumtell because..?

[somestrangeflea]

SSF, why are you voting UltimaAvalon?

Because springlullaby is at -1 and I don't want to hammer yet, and I forgot to

unvote

.

[somestrangeflea]

SSF, at L-1 of becoming infected, and thus of gaining the final say in who to infect next, I believe it is my prerogative as a townie to voice capricious suspicions which needn't obey to more than my fancy.

So what? If you are infected, you are dead. If you actually voiced reasons for suspecting others, then we'd be able to kill them off instead of you.

[somestrangeflea]

but it isn't exactly bad to infect a vanilla townie

It's just as bad in this game as a mislynch in any other game would be, if not worse.

as town will get a leverage they did not priorly have

A conversion from democracy to an autocracy is not "leverage".

[somestrangeflea]

DrippingGoofball, I'm puzzled, why do you want me to pick?

Also

Unvote

Your offer to self-hammer was townie-ish, under the circumstances. So why not let you pick?

I refuse to give any added power to springlullably (or any other player, for that matter) without guaranteeing their death first. Else we're just negating the purpose of the game, aren't we?

That, or if springlullaby commits suicide and turns up town like I think, then it makes sense that most if not all the mafia are/were on her wagon.

Why? I do not believe self-voting is a pro-town action, and would think that a fair proportion of the town would agree. Why, then, would a wagon on an anti-town player be more likely to consist of a large number of opportunistic scum than a large number of who would be, from their own perspective "doing the right thing".

Not all town wagons are scum driven.

I don't understand the meaning of this.

UA, The Jester. 1, 2.

Self-voters was the connection.

You all lose.

What does "yet" mean in this post?

In games with mandatory deadlines, I like to take up as much of the available time as is useful. Discussion was still fairly active, I saw no real reason to cut it short.

This is an important point and very true.

a) Whether we like it or not, this game is about autocracy, day one is only a brief respite.

At no point did I say or imply that this was false. I said this was a bad thing.

b) Concept such as 'good tyrant' exists, having a good absolute ruler presents advantages and certainly leverage.

This relies on the person making the decision to be:
1. Not corrupt (Pro-town).
2. Right about who the scum are.

In the democratic situation, everyone has decision making power.
In the autocratic situation, a single person has the decision making power.

Now, in a democratic system, everybody has to be careful to prevent themselves being accused of being scum by the majority.
In the autocratic situation, the person in power can do whatever the hell they want, regardless of what everyone else thinks. There can be one very obvious scum left to everyone else, but if the man in charge doesn't see it, what good does that do?

I disagree with autocracy being leverage as it has the worst worst-case scenario, in comparison to the democracy's worst case scenario, the "best worst-case scenario".

DGB: I guessed you would do something along these lines. Asking springlullaby to be specific and select one of the others. That will work if springlullaby is scum and lists two townies and a scum (

which is likely

) in her list and then selects a townie.

This is likely... why?

Anyway I will assume that the majority opinion tomorrow at least will have some inpact on the coming choice of infections and use the common way of thinking.

Knowing some of the personalities in this game, I am sorry to announce that the above is a very, very silly assumption.

springlullaby -5.001-

Rosso Carne -3.01-

Is the reduction in decimal places intentional?
This is important as, if intentional, the mouse may be worth a whole vote come deadline, which is on... Friday, yes?

Let's put a vote somewhere then.

Vote: springlullaby

[somestrangeflea]

@The Jester, looks like the mouse is just there as a deciding factor and tie breaker if we can't decide. So if we all vote for it, it'd probably infect one of us anyway.

Ooh, I forgot to take deadlines into account when I dismissed the Mouse for today. You raise a fair point, the Mouse will probably break the ties, which makes how the Mouse's vote is determined more relevant.

[somestrangeflea]

Question: Do we still have no idea what how the mouse actually worked? Personally, I think it was just a flavoured up "plurality deadline lynch", but meh...

Repeatedly discussing the merits of democracy is like repeating how truffles and pheasants are delicious when you are perfectly aware that you'll only be able to afford hotdogs for the rest of your life = irrelevant, unhelpful noise

Rest of your life, maybe. But yesterday, we

could

afford truffles and pheasants. You were busy trying to convince us that just giving up and moving onto the hotdogs before we'd had a chance to take a pick of the pheasants and truffles was actually a

good move

.

He thinks we should hit scum (how original)

OH MY GOD. YOU'RE RIGHT. HOW FOOLISHLY REPETITIVE OF ME TO HAVE A PRO-TOWN ATTITUDE WHICH ALL GOOD TOWNIES HAVE HAD BEFORE. CLEARLY, THE SMART MOVE HERE IS TO TAKE AN ANTI-TOWN, WHICH NO TOWNIES SHOULD HAVE, BECAUSE...

Uhm...

Because you say so?

I think he has been arguing over that autocracy/democracy thing because he didn't properly think it through before aquiescing to someone else said and now have to save face.

You think I think I have lost this argument.
Which makes me scum, why?

And I think he voted for me because of DGB's proposition.

Surely if my vote were something to do with a dislike of DGB's proposition, I'd have voted for... uhm... DGB maybe?

[somestrangeflea]

Due to the fact that my workload has increased to the point where playing mafia has become nigh-on impossible, I am officially getting out of all my games.

Mod: My sincerest apologies, but I will need to be replaced.