Mini 555 --- LDF Mafia -- Game Over!

[ooba]

/confirm

[ooba]

To prepare for this game, I'm going to go play MGS3 again.

Or you could just read the comic ..

[ooba]

Great Overlord Sarcastro

How long are you going to wait for the rest of the players to confirm here?

Only lovo14 has to confirm

Well, I wanted to play MGS3.

Have fun playing !!

[ooba]

Vote : El

[ooba]

Nobody asked me a reason for my random vote

Anywayz ...

SCUM = 19+3+21+13 = 56
ELJCKO = 5+12+10+3+11+15 = 56

Confirm Vote : Eljcko

[ooba]

Where did you get those numbers? Alphabetic order? ASCII value? UNICODE code?

{{Citation needed}}

Unvote
Vote: Ooba

A=1 , B=2 .. S=19 and so on

So eljcko is always scum, seeing as his name points to it?

Yes it would appear so !!

[ooba]

I agree with SlySly. My actions are very suspicious, and are lynch-worthy.

unvote ryan, vote: Mikeburnfire

I normally have a strict policy against self-voting, but SlySly's argument was too convincing. Die scum die!

......

[ooba]

SO I get to play MGS mafia,

AND Ryan gets the Hammer?

What a great 5 minutes this has been. Re-reading begins now.

sorry, I may be thick, but I just don't understand the bolded part.

mafiascum.net Forum Index -> Site Ideas -> In this thread, we learn about the bans
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: 115

ryan has been banned.

[ooba]

unvote, vote: Super God King

I hate it when people show up to say that they've been busy and don't see anything.

Seconded.

Vote : Super God King

[ooba]

Vote:Korts

His name just screams metal gear solid villain

I found this little gem while rereading.

Everyone

knows MGS villains are Foxhound protagonists. Trying to lynch the good guys, you sneaky son of a mother!

Well not everyone knows it apparently.

Do not know why you had to say this out loud though , might have helped us catch scum later on who didn't know the flavor that well.

This at least means that SGK isn't one of the main antagonists of MGS since if he was , he would have realized the villains were the heroes.

[ooba]

now i can def guarantee there is at least one scum on my bandwagon...

I've seen only two type of players make this statements in the games i've played so far - Scum and the Exasperated toniwe - not sure which category you fall into ..

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I cant see why you all do not believe the claim just because its Vanilla .. If we assume there are only few pro town power roles in the game - I think they'd go more to the others in the foxhound team than the colonel i.e Given a choice between Liquid snake and Colonel Roy Chambell , who would you choose to give a power role to?

[ooba]

Fine,

unvote

but I think Roy Campbell could easily be scum, seeing as in the comic, his daughter is against FOXHOUND.

That's like saying Solid snake might be scum as his brother is in Foxhound in a MGS Mini theme game.

[ooba]

Except that....Solid Snake would be scum for reasons that if I have to point out, I will just lose my mind.

Roy Campbell is scum guys. Stop unvoting.

I would like an explanation of your reasons for believing so ..

yes im vanila and not heaps useful but there are better lynches

Can you name who you think are the better lynches right now?

[ooba]

Background info on Colonel Roy Campbell for those who don't know. He was the leader of FOXHOUND until he retired, and Liquid Snake took over as leader. He then came out of retirement during the Shadow Moses operation to assist Solid Snake.

I would have believed you were town had you claimed anything besides Vanilla, because there was a time he was part of FOXHOUND. Unfortunately for you, you didn't. Please die, scum

Durrrr cus they're at Shadow Moses in the comic uh durrrrrr

No i've read until end of year two - and Although shadow moses visit is a story arc - they also spend most of their time in the HQ ..

The Members of FOXHOUND according to the comic

Sample Comic

[ooba]

Vote : lovo14

[ooba]

2 Reasons:

a) I had read other lovo games and he didn't get this flustered while being attacked upon in them - thereby a 'I can't believe you guys are voting me for this reason' type reaction

b) I thought UA had some inside information which he didn't want to share with us from his own role.

I'm not unvoting until lovo is dead.

Except that....Solid Snake would be scum for reasons that if I have to point out, I will just lose my mind.

Roy Campbell is scum guys. Stop unvoting.

[ooba]

Sorry for not posting guys ..

I'll be back in 36 hours - i shall post then ..

[ooba]

Ok .. one quick post coming up after a quick re-read ..

[ooba]

As promised ...

Andycyca 57 :

Why reply for lovo here?

Sly 73 :

Votes MBF here - No reason
Noted that both Thrantos and eljcko have semi defended sly here by saying it was a random vote in 75 and 76

hasdgfas 78:

A very weak FOS on Thanatos. Distancing ?

Korts in 88 echoes my above sentiment

Sly in 92 and eljcko in 97 both debunk Thanatos's argument to defend hasdafas

Sly in 112 is a massive backtrack. It's fine you have history but i think you just used that here to get out of a tight corner for trying to start a wagon on MBF

Thanatos actual first content post (till now it was ryan) pings my scum dar - " I'd vote him, but I don't want to Bandwagon."

eljcko 122 :

Defends Sly's backtracking

I just did a re-read and the only new thing that struck me was ryan flipping out at hasdaskjdhflk about the day 1 myth crap.

I doubt that has any tells on him as role

, but there is not anything else that I haven't touched on in my other post. This game needs more action IMO. Start talking (typing)!!!!!

I'd like the bolded part explained please ..

I sense at least one scum in the {cow, ooba, korts} set

He was right here

Sly in 160 :

Lol . I'm not sure if this was a joke

Sly in 163 :

I hate how you keep bringing up things from outside the game to justify your actions here . i.e 'I was in a game with MBF' , 'I was in a recent conversation about color coded messages'

Also ..

If this is the case, why don't you start trying to play THIS game now and leave our discussions and biases from the other game in the other game? It would only be fair to the others to do so.

way to be a hypocrite

172 :

lovo now diverts attention with his post about i stay out of day 1
Both Jdodge and eljcko vote lovo . The attention shifts from Sly

181 :

Andycyca responds to the previous page instead of focusing on lovo which is good.

eljcko 239 :

Role Speculation does not help

JDogde's 280 :

Comparing player profiles to what i've got so far

Agree with Sly. Disagree strongly with Korts and UA.

Agree with Andy being town

Sly 289 , 291 , 298 , 301:

Don't try to pull a lovo again with us .

My Analysis..

Town
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Korts
UA
Andy

Neutral
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Jdodge
Thanatos
eljcko
Llyod

Scum
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SlySly

vote : SlySly

[ooba]

Now my question back is, after disagreeing strongly about UA and korts, why do you have them on your town list? You say nothing else about them in your analysis.

Jdodge had them at the top of his people to kill list. Thats what i disagreed with and thats why i have them in my town list

Unfortunately, I wasted my investigatory skill on MBF last night, who turned up town and dead. Take this however you want to as I will not elaborate.

Half claims do not work . I think its better you claim your role name

Solid point on ooba, still hasn't explained the hammer vote yet.

Please read post 242 (it's also down below on this post)

First, his only suspect is slysly, who has taken quite some flak the last couple pages, and is the most voted person of the month. The rest of the people on his list are either neutral or town, and the way I see it, he might be buddying up to these people.

Buddying up? When i re-read i thought sly was scum and the people in neutral i wasn't sure about either way.

hasdgfas 78: A very weak FOS on Thanatos. Distancing ?

Korts in 88 echoes my above sentiment

Sorry, but I don't see where you said it before me. I'm not echoing you.

Your post 88 was similar to the same thoughts i had when i read 78 ..

I cant see why you all do not believe the claim just because its Vanilla .. If we assume there are only few pro town power roles in the game - I think they'd go more to the others in the foxhound team than the colonel i.e Given a choice between Liquid snake and Colonel Roy Chambell , who would you choose to give a power role to?

Saving and buddying up to lovo, who he knows to be innocent? Or wanting brownie points after the lovo lynch?

Neither. I was commenting on the fact that everyone seemed to think Roy chambell could not be vanilla.

a) I had read other lovo games and he didn't get this flustered while being attacked upon in them - thereby a 'I can't believe you guys are voting me for this reason' type reaction

b) I thought UA had some inside information which he didn't want to share with us from his own role.

Point a) is nothing incriminating. Point b: what inside information would that be, Day 1? If you thought

UA was bussing lovo or deliberately setting up a townie lynch, why didn't you vote him instead of lovo?

There are a few possibilities which come to mind : UA could have been Roy chambell, UA could have had flavor information in his role PM which indicated which roles were probably scum. For the bolded , i never thought UA was bussing or setting lovo up , i thought he was sure lovo was scum from some info he had ..

Unvote, vote: ooba

Bet you didn't see that coming, did you?

No i didn't - would like to hear your reasons for the same ..

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And this is in response to the hammer .. A lot of you think it was scummy to hammer without presenting any case when i did .. What is the use of presenting a case against someone - It is so that they can respond to it and probably try to justify why your attack was wrong. On the other hand , once you hammer , its over - they cannot respond to it and it becomes useless. So posting a case with a hammer vote doesn't fulfill any purpose IMO ..

[ooba]

Your post 88 was similar to the same thoughts i had when i read 78

But you didn't tell us this thought. Actually, I don't know what point this is meant to be, either.

Let me try to rephrase what i said .. I essentially did the re-read in serial order ..

When i read post 78 - this was the note i made:

"hasdgfas 78: A very weak FOS on Thanatos. Distancing ?"

And when i read 88 - i saw you had the same opinion about 78. Hence the note:

"Korts in 88 echoes my above sentiment"

But the point is still that your list of suspicions boils down to one suspect, and it's the obvious suspect. Everyone else is in the neutral or the town, which, in spite of your explanation, gives me the feeling, as I said before, of you buddying up to these people.

There is a difference between saying somebody is neutral and somebody is town - if i had put all other 7 players as town and sly as scum , then that is buddying up. Here i'm just not sure about the others - its not a case of not wanting to step on other people's toes by saying 'ok i think he is scummy'.

I personally think there's logic in there. I mean, if the guy's already hammered, why ask any more questions of him? On the other hand, it doesn't hurt to state your reasons, sure. But that's a null tell, for me.

The hammer is the one vote that needs the most reason. The reason is not for the guy that just got hammered but for the remaining players. If you can't see the logic in this, up yours!!!

The reasoning can be given the next day instead of with the hammer vote if players deem it suspicious enough.
The only valid argument against what i do is that it might draw investigative night actions towards myself which would better be directed at scum. However that ties into the Meta of viewing a hammer vote with no reasons as suspicious.

And P.S : I Repeat , Soft claims serve no purpose whatsoever..

[ooba]

I'm actually waiting for replies,thoughts from other players .. I've commented on all that has taken place so far and given my views on it ..

[ooba]

UA is always daft/overly-casual.

JDodge , you did promise a case on me later?

[ooba]

Unofficial Vote count

UA(1) - Llyod
Sly(2) - ooba,Andycca
ooba(3) - Korts,Jdodge,Sly

Not Voting : UA,eljcko,eljcko

With 9 alive , its 5 to lynch

Come on guys , deadline is on the 8th !! Talk more - vote more !!

[ooba]

I said WE need to keep things going. "we" includes me as well (I'm aware I haven't contributed lately) I insinuated "we" need to keep posting.

I voted you because I find two people rather scummy today: ooba and you. My case on you has been cited (essentially, my 21st post). I didn't vote ooba because I don't like putting him at L-1

without proper defense from himself.

Well i've answered everything that has been thrown at me - if you have anything in particular which you'd like me to respond to , state it ..

[ooba]

Sly , i think i've got what you're referring to?

And right now , i'll be lynched at deadline according to deadline rules .. Heres what you have posted against me :

a) Korts - "The fact that you are having only one person in the scum list tells me you are trying to buddy up with the others" - When i did my re-read, i found Sly's actions extremely suspect. I really did not get such strong vibes from anybody else , hence putting them into the neutral category.

b) Sly - It's my hammer without a reason and my later defending of it which you think is scummy. I believe that it is something for Mafia discussion - I believe the following post explains my reasoning best :

What is the use of presenting a case against someone - It is so that they can respond to it and probably try to justify why your attack was wrong. On the other hand , once you hammer , its over - they cannot respond to it and it becomes useless.

c) Jdodge - You still haven't posted a case on me..

I do not think Sly's the play for today.

Unvote

I will go re-read the game and get back with my thoughts on who is..

[ooba]

I've been having some net porblems which should possibly be fixed by the deadline - however i haven't been able to re-read the thread due to that .. I do think it is time i claimed however ..

Role Claim : Scratch

I'm the hacker guy at foxhound. Pro Town