Mini 552: X-Men mafia (Game Over!)

[Adele]

Vote: farside

; mods do not allocate roles based on screennames, but randomly.
If phantom's sneaky, that represents a benefit to town if he is town, and a benefit to scum if he is scum. You should currently feel neutrally towards him.
Unless you

know

already that his alignment is different to yours, which you would most probably only know if you had an anti-town alignment.

Die Scum!!!

[Adele]

Duh, that's what we're here for.

[Adele]

vote: Llyod

because you have double L's in your name and for the first 10 years of my life I had trouble pronouncing your name and the word Llama.

Hint: the second "l" is silent.

Not so in the case of Llanelli. That's

tough

.

[Adele]

May I make a request? Could those people who don't have avatars get some? I folloow what's going on by associating posts with pictures, rather than directly with names (plus I'll whizz down the page looking for a person's posts by keeping an eye out for his av). I count at least 3 avless here, and it'll hinder me significantly. I know that I'm asking for a favour here, but it'd really help.

Votecount # 1

Vote Count:

Monkey- 1 (Ooba)
Ooba- 1 (Monkey)
logicticus- 1 (korts)
pug89- 1 (lovo14)
Lloyd- 1 (thephantom)
lovo14- 1 (Joohoono)
korts- 1 (Lloyd)
thephantom- 1 (farside22)
farside22- 1 (Adele)

Not voting (2): logicticus, pug89

6 to lynch.

[Adele]

#1 How many of you have been in a themed game? (I have been in one)
#2 With name claim? (Yupp, happened in that themed game)
#3 That worked out to the benefit of the town? (It was partly beneficial, the name claim didn't isolated lead to the scums - they had some safe fake claims - but it helped some, at the cost of a few townies).

Yes, yes, no. A good mod will make it so claims have equal or greater downsides to upsides in early play and certainly so a day 1 mass nameclaim hurts the town. It only really gives the scum info, since they should have safeclaims or, in a universe as extensive as X-men, be able to fakeclaim pretty safely. For example, I wouldn't put it past any good mod to provide as thouroughly and certainly a good guy as - well, Xavier - to Mystiquescum.

I was in a theme once where Buffy (BTVS) was SK. That felt a little bastardy, but was really fair game. It's the duty of the mod to make the game unbreakable.

Rule of mafia #3: Don't gamble on the mod being sucky.

[Adele]

OK we've got a problem. Day ends in 1 week. We need to decide who to murder now.

Apart from that, I have nothing helpful to say at this time

[Adele]

dayvig, daysk or scum with daykill? The power itself is on the scummy side of balance and I don't like the use of it.

Unvote, Vote Monkey

Lurking, well I cannot say that I have been actively participating but I can say that it has been because I hadn't seen anything worth responding to. In previous games I have gotten targeted because I was too involved in the game posting often and people accused me of trying to keep myself from suspicion by being at the front of the pack.

Yeah, sucks to be you, welcome to mafia. Striking a balance is a part of the game. I mean, I've hardly posted in this game at all but since no-one's noticed it's not so much a problem (:P) but when people accuse you of being scummy for doing X you can't complain because in the past you've been attacked for doing not-X or opposite-of-X. They're tactics and tells that folk are using. There's no formula for being safe, and trying switching tactics when attacked for them is a valid learning behaviour, but not a get-out for accusations in game.

Vote Count:

pug89- 1 (lovo14)
farside- 1 (Adele)
lovo14- 1 (Joohoono)
thephantom - 1 (logicticus)

Not voting (4):Monkey, Ooba, pug89, thephantom

6 to lynch.

[Adele]

Yea it does suck, I think maybe my name throws people off and they immediately think of me as a bad guy and then look for things that could be seen as scum.

Or possibly because the structure of the game encourages scum-hunting, and in the average game most if not all players suffer a lot of suspicion. And you're new and don't yet know how to contribute effectively.

No, it's not your name. It's because you're making mistakes.

[Adele]

dayvig, daysk or scum with daykill? The power itself is on the scummy side of balance and I don't like the use of it.

I disagree about the power itself. You're attributing scumminess based on the power itself, regardless of how it was used?

Unvote

Vote: Adele

Take another look at what you've quoted. "Regardless of how it was used"?:

I don't like the use of it.

It shouldn't have been used, it shouldn't have been used

then

, and it shouldn't have been used

like that

. The fact that this power is given at least as often to scum as town (IMHO) is the lesser of my concerns. The deadline and his behaviour are the greater of my concerns.

[Adele]

Bear in mind, people, that it's 6 to deadline lynch too.

[Adele]

Anyway, I have no problem lynching monkey. That particular ability, in my opinion, historically seems to be more slanted to scum than town so as the deadline gets closer, I will gladly switch my vote.

Could you show me a mini game where there was a daykill SK or Scum present?

i've been a daykill SK

twice

. In a hurry now, but links will follow if you want them.

[Adele]

i've been a daykill SK twice. In a hurry now, but links will follow if you want them.

Hmm, perhaps Monkey is the lynch of the day then, I saw daykilling as something more pro-town than not. The reason I'm not sure yet is that a vigilante might come in handy for the town later on (if that's what he is). On the other hand, he seems to be a bit of a loose cannon. I need to think a bit on this. Adele, I'd appreciate the links.

... why? It's not like I'd lie about something like that (due to LAL and disproveability), all this resulted in was a tiresome research project for me.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0

I was actually in both at the same time, which was an interesting time for me.

How common day sks are overall I couldn't tell you; I don't recall the setups or other roles of games I'm in (tend not to even remember my own). I've been a day sk twice, I don't recall ever being a dayvig before (I don't recall offhand ever being a vig

at all

, actually, unless you count bugsy malone mafia which was a masonic hybrid)

[Adele]

That's a really foolish course of argument to follow. I ran a game once where blue cheeses were evil. The first scum to die was an Italian blue cheese and a cop who could detect cheeses' nationalities assumed all Italians were scum and damaged the town off that assumption.

Or the time Buffy was evil

Or the time that... well, suffice to say, if things were that simple the game would be way too breakable. Let's not assume

anything

theme-related at this stage, okay? Especially not something as simplistic as "all X-men are good".

[Adele]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 99&start=0

I was actually in both at the same time, which was an interesting time for me.

Both links are same - Link to Doom2.

Apologies; I don't know how that happened. viewtopic.php?t=4409&start=0 is the other - vegas showgirls.

And the arguments you present are

utterly

unconvincing to me.

1. Suggests that in-thread posting kills are underpowered compared to secret ones (though they are presumably instantaneous)
2. You say that, based on the foolishness of outguessing the mod, we can outguess the mod more effectively
3. You suggest he should as sk lie low - which is WIFOM.

Sorry, no dice.

[Adele]

poor Monkey. Didn't see that coming.

Also: Oh Crap. I need to do some research on my situation.

[Adele]

I didn't know that monkey was Cyclops, and I didn't know that Cyclops would die - though it certainly occured to me that he might, considering what my role pm said about if I died there would be negative consequences for the town, and my own basic knowledge about the X-men mythology.

I don't want to go into details about other changes to my role, for obvious reasons - but I'm no longer vanilla, and my initial concern (that I'm like phoenix and therefore my alignment might be vulnerable to change now) doesn't seem too likely to me.

As to me being anti-town

already

... well, simply put, a role that starts vanilla pro-town but attempted NK of it results in not only the death of the Vig, but converts the vanilla into a powered-up anti-town role would be... rather swingy for a mini. Balance issues up the yazoo.

But, back to my initial paranoia - in the comics, was there any particular character that triggered phoenix changing to dark phoenix?

[Adele]

glad we agree.
so does this mean adel is no longer pro town??

No, I'm still pro-town. My main concern right now is trying to ensure that doesn't change.

Does anyone know an online source more in-depth and easy-to-read than wikipedia on the progression of Jean and Phoenix's light and dark sides?

Just occurred to me that I could already be a bomb or a supersaint without knowing it

[Adele]

Does anyone know an online source more in-depth and easy-to-read than wikipedia on the progression of Jean and Phoenix's light and dark sides?

Just occurred to me that I could already be a bomb or a supersaint without knowing it

Won't all this be mentioned in your role pm explicitly?

'Fraid not. Original pm mentioned the potential for consequences for the town, but whether those consequences have been exhausted or not, I don't know.

[Adele]

OK. I just died in 2 games. Even though I have limited access, I'm now going to be able to contribute better now.

@Adele, Lets stop with the power speculation for a moment - Who do you think is the scummiest so far?

I don't know, offhand. Cue reread