Mini 550: KSFV: Game Over

[armlx]

Vote vIQleS

Will unvote with promise I never have to capitalize that correctly ever again.

[armlx]

Howdy all!!


Role Claim! I am the Assassin. I can't vote during the day but if you tell who you want killed at night I will kill them for you.

FOS Greasy Spot

Sounds a lot like an SK running a rediculous gambit to me.

[armlx]

Yeah, not gonna vote him for now.

[armlx]

If we honestly think they are a Jester, we can go for the plan of having the vig we might have killing him tonight. It's like a free lynch that doesn't lose the game. Only issue is it outs the presence of a vig or lack there of.

[armlx]

I believe this has been cited many times before, but mentioning the jester first is a big scum tell as it just adds more confusion to logic processes.

[armlx]

ignoring GS

thats just a shitty PR and hes probably town.

What he said.

FOS Think Tank

First vote is acceptable questioning vote. Second is clearly uninformed. You trying to use logic to band wagon someone with a PR is scummy.

Vote Ryan

Pinning GS as Jester, extensive exchange with SensFan is really scummy and chaotic, not town friendly things.

FOS Sensfan

When Ryan shows up scum, you are next in line IMO. Your conversation seems forced and empty, like a failed distancing attempt.

[armlx]

WOW, simul posted FTW. More fuel for my argument vs Ryan.

[armlx]

huge

fOs: ANYONE VOTING gREASY SPOT

With my role and the obviously wacky role of greasy spot, I'm half tempted to ask for a massclaim. This game might be broken.

Sorry, I can't ever back a mass claim in a non-open game ever again unless there's a very very good reason behind it.

[armlx]

i have a VERY good reason.

I'm just preeminently stating. Last time atm I've seen 50/50 on theme game mass claims going pro-town or scum and the 50 pro town are only b/c of massive mod errors.

[armlx]

Vigilante is the name for a pro-town role that can kill at night. Vigging someone is simply having the vigilante kill them at night. If a Jester is vig killed they don't win is the point i think Rosso is trying to get across, but IMO GS isnt a Jester.

[armlx]

only if you have a contribution restriction.

The only thing I can say to this is ZING!

[armlx]

only if you have a contribution restriction.

The only thing I can say to this is ZING!

[armlx]

I'm fairly sure GS's roles don't have to be in game role names. Just saying some of these look really out of place.

Again, mass claims are only good when the set up is known with 90% certainty of scum roles. Otherwise don't do them. Massive FOS Rosso for pushing this so far. Ryan is still my vote though for the same reasons as before.

Viqules vote/unvote is duely noted.

[armlx]

The secret is you are mafia and want a vanilla/non vanilla claim to out real targets to your scum buddies.....

Unvote, Vote Rosso

[armlx]

I think I see what Rosso is trying to say, but I have no desire to mass claim because of it.

[armlx]

I fail to see how mass claims would out a cult leader.

[armlx]

If the leader dies, the cult stops recruiting and depending on the game can either A) revert to their original identities or B) remain pro-cult, possibly with a night kill. B is the most likely scenario.

[armlx]

Rosso, I still fail to see how you are saying a mass claim will help deal wiht a cult if I got your role right.

[armlx]

If he was a protown cult leader why would he be scared.

[armlx]

Seriously, GS, don't post unless you are trying to participate in the conversation or have to for role reasons. if you are trying to participate, make it more evident. There's no reason to keep doing what more or less amounts to spam.

[armlx]

I have a hard time finding that a mod would be that big of a bastard to put a role in like this that makes it more or less impossible to communicate with the other players and impossible to vote.

GS, please in your next post please claim a role name with a corresponding starting letter to who you think is scummiest.

ie.

A - 1st player on player list in opening post
B- 2nd player in list
C- 3rd player
D- 4th player
E- 5th
etc.

If you can, post consecutive claims going in order of scumminess for your top couple suspects in this manner, starting with the most scummy.

[armlx]

Sensfan, seriously, why are you phrasing your requests so absurdly.

Giving info = odd number of words

Not = even number.

Thank you for clarity,

FOS Sensfan

for trying to confuse and already confusing scenario.

[armlx]

with cult. The leader wins with town. But the leader is forced to recruit. Referances to worst mafia evar, and there was a role like that. Although, he could simply be cult-cop, or a de-culter or something rather.

Yeah, at that point your best shot would be to just claim and convince everyone you aren't a jester or something.

[armlx]

Sensfan: Or he actually just listened to you and ignored the last request.

[armlx]

Err, missed the request between those 2 posts. Sry.


Still don't see why you need to post the requests so cryptically.

[armlx]

I had (have) a theory that he can't include in his posts anything the Town has asked him for. So I didn't ask that he include any specific things, just that he not include certain things.

Why not just ask him to prove the theory in the cryptic form and end it once and for all, rather than causing a possibly absurdly convoluted situation for no reason.

GS, if what I quoted from Sensfan is true, please don't make your next post with a line of text preceding your claim.

[armlx]

Still don't see why you need to post the requests so cryptically.

I had (have) a theory that he can include in his posts anything the Town has asked him for. So I didn't ask that he include any specific things, just that he not include certain things.

So if scum asks him something he won't respond? (by your theory)

Town describes all players currently in the game. Of those they are split into pro-town and anti-town.

[armlx]

I'm not liking Ryan's current OMGUS defense, and I still don't like his first discussion with Sensfan at all. Back to where I was before this dumb cult business.

Unvote, Vote Ryan

However, before the day is over, I want as much info as Rosso can reveal without giving away his anti-cult plan. Given that my vote may change, however especially given his last post attacking someone he believes is a recruit I'm pretty iffy on it.

[armlx]

Your last 2 posts (then one) have attacked people who just voted you with just reasons based on their votes without putting a vote anywhere. Sounds like you are being opportunistic yourself by waiting for one of those comments to spark off a wagon then jumping on.

[armlx]

Given your scummy behavior, yes. However, I believe you already have reacted in response to pressure early game (and it was really light too) and its time to lynch.

[armlx]

No, it's actually the truth

Unbacked statements like these do nothing but dig your hole further.

[armlx]

I'm not liking Ryan's current OMGUS defense, and I still don't like his first discussion with Sensfan at all. Back to where I was before this dumb cult business.

Very unjustified Joubert....

[armlx]

I've attacked who I think should be attacked, if the game doesn't like that than you'll be losing a townie who can help when it comes to endgame

Constantly referring to yourself as a townie is scummy. It does nothing but appeal to emotion which derails logic.

I am very happy with my vote.

[armlx]

Yeah, in all the cult talks I had forgot about my vote on ryan, but his recent behaviour has really bothered me. Happy with my vote right now.

If he is scum, IGMEOY. That not random vote on pg 2 was kinda awkward.

[armlx]

Armlx, since when OMGUSing someone is considered a hard-steel Scum tell?

When with that person's vote it's evident your wagon is gaining enough speed to lead to a lynch very soon, OMGUSing is indeed a good scum tell.

And no scum tell is ever hard steel......

[armlx]

Maybe we need to bandwagon ryan to a claim and see where we go from there...

Works for me.

[armlx]

You act like thats the only thing we have pushed on you.

First was your insistence GS was a Jester.

Next is how out of line your reactions are with standard behavior, and the last 15 or so pages of posts you have made on the site.

Next, though this point I'm least in agreement with, is how you have reacted to the cult.

Finally, this refusal to claim in response to 4 votes and a person not voting you asking for the claim (aka vote number 5) is really awkward. Seems like you are stalling b/c you have nothing.

[armlx]

1) Why my thoughts of GS being a jester are unjustified is beyond me, cannot I not look at the game and try and figure out his strange postings too? There was no consistent slamming people who didn't listen to me about him possibly being a jester, I brought it up earlier and asked for reactions and people immediately said that "Jester's aren't common" for these games (which isn't true as I just had a game where a jester was in it)

The thing is whether or not he is a Jester we aren't going to lynch him. He is either Jester and we don't lynch him, town with PR and don't lynch him, or mafia pretending to be town with PR and we don't lynch him till later when he screws up or we realize he's the only reasonable choice left. Saying he's the Jester only makes us flip out and lead to bad decision aka WIFOM aka scummy. Only scenario this isn't true is in an open game, where its valid discussion to find out who the Jester is.

If a claim is so important to you armlx and if you really need to know my role, ask, I'm tired of being the "bad guy" in this game and looked upon as I'm hiding something or being scum. Why don't you explain how I should react in these games since my reactions have been "so out of line" What about the cult? What reactions have I had with the cult that make me scum?

Your cult reaction is you tried to compare Rosso's claim (where he actually had info to back up knowledge of a cult) to your trying to pin GS as a Jester (which you only had in game analysis on). Role info >> in game analysis.

Instead of just saying "I'm not bad, you are b/c you are attacking me" when attacked, form arguments with more backing against people. However, from the posts of yours in other games I've looked at, it appears you already know how to do this and just aren't, which is one of my main points.

If you want a claim armlx, ASK FOR IT! The only thing I've been guilty at to this point is not going after some of you with more piss and vinegar

Did ask.

Maybe we need to bandwagon ryan to a claim and see where we go from there...

Works for me.

[armlx]

Dur, typo. The phrase "aka WIFOM aka scummy" should read "via WIFOM aka scummy". Too many 3 letter not really words.

[armlx]

It appears GS is calling BS on you. I'll let Sensfan phrase the anti-question to confirm as I'ld prolly screw it all up.

[armlx]

It appears GS is calling BS on you. I'll let Sensfan phrase the anti-question to confirm as I'ld prolly screw it all up.

GS is scum faking a claim than. I guarantee you that I am the Cocktail Waitress with zero powers and nothing more than a townie

If he is, then he dies after you obviously.

[armlx]

So I claim and still die? Figures

Your claim did nothing to prove you are pro-town, though claiming was better than just not claiming.

[armlx]

It drew out GS lying

As compared to not claiming leading to us just lynching you without being able to consume new information.

[armlx]

Well you seem hell bent on lynching a townie

Unvote/Vote:Greasy Spot

FoS: armlx

I haven't liked your play armlx up to this point and the past 2 pages show me you are rolehunting and rolefishing. If you have no problem leaving GS to live another day than you my friend are an idiot and should be looked upon very carefully.

GS is lying about his roleclaim as I guarantee I am what I posted. This crap has to end.

You act as if we are just supposed to say "Oh, this guy called BS on guy claiming, lets assume he is FAKING A POST RESTRICTION and lynch him over the really scummy person".......

[armlx]

Well I was going to vote Ryan to push him to a claim, but he seems to have jumped the gun on that - he's very defensive for a vanilla townie.

IDK if it was jumping the gun, in his defense on this matter. It was fairly obvious you were going to vote, so he's at L-2 more or less in a game with 10 other relevant voters (GS has yet to show he can vote) and none of the others had defended him at all. Better to claim at that point then get quick lynched I guess is the logic I could see being used.

[armlx]

For all intents and purposes my vote was on Ryan as well, as it only changed to Rosso for the whole "mass claim plz, will catch cult" thing.

[armlx]

I'm still fine with my vote on Ryan. It was fairly obvious GS wasn't counter claiming IMO (seriously, cocktail waitress with that restriction?), but I said nothing as A) I wanted to see how Ryan reacted and B) was hoping GS would say he was counter claiming, in which case lynching him would occur. However, Ryan's response of "Lynch GS for not helping people" even after GS said he wasn't counter claiming is probably more scummy than everything else he did before now, and I was already willing to lynch him.

As stated by vIQuLeS, we should hold of on a lynch. Anyone who wants to vote Ryan should just FOS him until we are sure we have milked everything we can out of today, including but not limited to:

GS responding to Sensfan.
Hear a bit more from Unity before night fall.
Hear Rosso Carne's opinion of lynching Ryan and who he think is cult leader or w/e.

On the topic of the last one, I'm fairly sure Ryan is mafia, not cult. He probably used his real role name, as I doubt the mod would make the mafia have obvious evil role names and be forced to have an awkward claiming scenario or give them safe claim, and Ryan just claimed townie as it's the easiest to claim. Given this, I highly doubt a cocktail waitress would be the cult leader.

[armlx]

FYI, I'm basing my GS wasn't counter claiming on his last post about not understanding confusing questions.

BTW, Ryan, nice play..... First, self lynching does nothing but hurt the town (nice try scum). Second, you are at L-2, not L-1.

Yah, another reason that no one should vote Ryan until we are sure we want to lynch him. If you do, he might just end discussion with a self vote.

[armlx]

I can just as easily quote my role and be done with it there.

I'm fairly sure this kind of behavior actually leads to you being exiled from the community by lots of mods and/or mith, who don't want to see you ruining valid games with it. If you feel that upset you are going to get lynched, just don't post in this game and let us finish what be need to before the day is done rather than throwing a tantrum.

[armlx]

What am I ruining? I apparently am gonna be lynched no matter what so what does it really matter scum?

Crashing a day by posting your role PM is pretty much cutting off discussion, which is really awkward for anyone trying to play a progressive game of mafia aka pro-town people.

Though I'm more inclined to think you are just scum actually trying everything to not get lynched.

[armlx]

EBWODP:

For the record, I do not want to see anyone unvoting ryan due to his recent, erratic, behaviour.

Second

[armlx]

Way to be a help. Lets look at what this does.

Assuming Rosso is correct, +1 cult member for discussion.
-1 town member for discussion to mafia, most likely someone relevant to the discussion.
Possible -1 member to a 3rd anti-town group.
You get yelled at by actual everyone.

[armlx]

Glad you still don't believe me GS, you're gonna be next up for lynching after it comes out I'm 100% correct on my claim

Doubt it. On the off chance you aren't scum, if anyone will be attacked, its Unity or me.

[armlx]

There is no OFF CHANCE, what are you not understanding? I am NOT scum. I'm a freakin cocktail waitress with ZERO powers or night actions.

What I don't understand is why you assume that stating that over and over makes us magically assume its true.

Sensfan: While it is an empty threat, don't do those kind of things. You can't stoop down to an his level of non-logical emotion based attacks to fight him, simply because he has more experience at it.

[armlx]

Second, you are at L-2, not L-1.

Just saying, reading is tech.

[armlx]

Joubert, no offense, but let me shred your last 2 posts.

1st, unvoting someone because of their insane behavior is utterly unacceptable. Its like letting a small child have more dessert because they started breaking things screaming "BUT I WANT IT". Unvoting because you find them validly unscummy after reviewing their actions is ok.

For all intents and purposes, we have to assume GS is not mafia. In all honest, outside of PR themed games, I have never seen a mafia member have a PR. I can see GS being another 3rd party, but then he has no viable reason to put himself on the line vs Ryan like that as he gains nothing while fighting for his own survival. I guess if he was a cult recruit, but thats a different story, but thats about it.

Also, I have cited my reasons to vote Ryan. Did when I first voted him, did when I revoted him. Again, the phrase reading is tech comes to mind. My vote stands because I found his responses inadequate.

[armlx]

And Gnome as well. I'ld like input from these people as well.

Lloyd
Thinktank
Unity
Gnome

Though only Gnome needs a prod I think.

[armlx]

I drag my sorry but in here and you guys have been busy!

You know I'm new to this mafia thing, but all the fuss Ryan is throwing is dragging out a lot of good conversation. Even if he does turn up town (doubtful) he's helped me identify some suspects.

I don't think it's been a waste.

I'm confident with my vote.

Good posting.

[armlx]

I interpreted the ASS statements as a pun on a cocktail waitress's assets but I guess it goes either way. He hasn't really responded to anyone else's requests in the thread so what makes his post with/ without capitals any different?

GS said that while he wasn't counterclaiming, he was willing to bet his continued presence in the game that Ryan was scum.

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aioqwe: Nor do lynching somebody who's jumped up and down with the same claim and besides my recent meltdown has done nothing else to get lynched. An obvious wagon has started that some of you are confident to continue, stupid, but confident. It's simply retarded for you to sit here when GS has answered SensFan with TWO different counter claims, 1) saying I'm lying and 2) saying I'm telling the truth, HOW has this gone un-noticed?

1) Jumping up and down with a townie claim does nothing unless there's a second role confirming you. Stop trying to convince us it does otherwise.

2) Read GS's second post. It's obvious he misunderstood the request (PEOPLE ASK ME CONFUSING QUESTIONS). He still said he thinks you are scum, just not that the is counter claiming.

[armlx]

GS:

If you are willing to put your life on the line and say that ryan is lying, your VERY NEXT POST should have anything but a capital letter.

i am the limousine driver. i see all my passengers, but they don't see me.

I AM A MENTAL PATIENT. CONFUSING QUESTIONS ARE BEING THROWN MY WAY. SOMETIMES I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

Way to quote out of contest, scum. The MENTAL PATIENT post was in regards to the last request of counter claiming. Heres how it went down.

Sensfan says:
No caps = counter claim
Caps = not.

GS: i am the cashier

then

GS: MENTAL PATIENT, CONFUSING QUESTIONS

sensfan:
no caps = Life on line Ryan is lying.

then

GS: i am the limo driver.

[armlx]

I blame Ryan. That is all.