Mini 550: KSFV: Game Over

[Lloyd]

vote vIQleS

[Lloyd]

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Vote GreasySpot

[Lloyd]

Just a weee bit of reason please?

Since GreasySpot posted so quickly with role claims, I think his post restriction is fake.

If he's a townie with a post restriction, he would have posted less to minimize confusion, and he would rather be mod-killed than us wasting a lynch on him.

I doubt he's a townie with a post restriction. We can test it by putting him at lynch minus one, and see whether he opts for a mod-kill.

[Lloyd]

Greasy Spot,

In a re-read, here's my latest thought:

With exception of you, we're all gamblers today. Joubert voting for you triggered a game mechanics event.

Care to comment with another post?

[Lloyd]

With Greasy Spot's postings (Assassin, Psychologist, Blackjack Dealer, Hyptonist, Slots Manager, Stick Man, Bartender), I feel like we're in a pre-game phase of a Smalltown + UPick / Choose Your Own Role game.

Rosso Carne, if remainder eleven of us mass claim, are you volunteering to claim first?

[Lloyd]

Rosso Carne, do you have a vote restriction today?

[Lloyd]

So we have a semi-smalltown setup...

1. aioqwe - Assassin
2. Greasy Spot - Psychologist - I have to analyze everybody by day and send that info to the mod. If I am correct about a person I get to see their powers, if they have any.
3. Rosso Carne - Blackjack Dealer
4. Unity - Hyptonist
5. ryan - Slots Manager
6. armlx - Stick Man
7. thinktank - Bartender
8. vIQleS - Know-It-All
9. SensFan - BellHop
10. Joubert - David Webb
11. Mr_Gnome_It_All - TBA
12. Lloyd -

Anyone want to confirm my hunch above?

[Lloyd]

Rosso Carne,

Regarding your proposal to mass claim vanilla / non-vanilla ... I think pete_d would design this game to prevent a mass claim. In one of his previously modded games, pete_d mentioned choosing role names in that game to prevent a mass claim. See Homer Mafia at http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion ... &start=223

With that said...I'd rather not mass claim unless you can convince me that it would significantly benefit our town.

For what it's worth, Greasy Spot seems like a day gossiper in this game. A common theme around pete_d's 2 modded games that I've read, have been Day Gossipers. In addition to Homer Mafia that I linked above, here's a link to Gossip Mafia - http://www.greylabyrinth.com/discussion ... &start=522

[Lloyd]

Original Roll String: 200d10 (STATIC)

200 10-Sided Dice: (5, 6, 8, 2, 7, 9, 6, 9, 5, 7, 4, 7, 6, 3, 2, 1, 1, 8, 7, 5, 8, 9, 6, 6, 6, 4, 1, 9, 10, 4, 10, 4, 10, 7, 2, 1, 3, 9, 2, 2, 1, 6, 8, 9, 5, 5, 3, 4, 2, 3, 4, 5, 2, 5, 1, 3, 6, 2, 5, 6, 3, 9, 8, 3, 6, 8, 5, 2, 1, 7, 4, 2, 4, 8, 7, 4, 10, 10, 7, 5, 4, 4, 6, 1, 7, 10, 1, 1, 7, 4, 4, 2, 8, 7, 9, 3, 4, 4, 4, 7, 5, 1, 6, 7, 1, 10, 2, 4, 8, 7, 2, 1, 4, 6, 8, 6, 5, 5, 3, 7, 2, 7, 9, 7, 4, 7, 2, 3, 2, 10, 4, 7, 9, 10, 1, 4, 9, 7, 9, 10, 1, 2, 5, 5, 1, 1, 7, 6, 8, 1, 10, 6, 8, 10, 2, 4, 8, 6, 2, 4, 7, 9, 5, 10, 1, 3, 7, 6, 5, 9, 3, 6, 6, 10, 10, 10, 6, 1, 10, 8, 4, 10, 7, 9, 9, 7, 3, 9, 3, 3, 9, 7, 6, 6, 1, 9, 9, 7, 10, 9) = 1103

[Lloyd]

Not a massclaim yet at this point, but I'd like a mass vanilla/not vanilla to go down.

Discuss.

I vote no on mass claiming.

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Vote ryan

[Lloyd]

Unvote

[Lloyd]

Unvoting above to check vote count

[Lloyd]

vIQleS and Unity, simply ignore my dice rolling post earlier.

ignoring GS

thats just a shitty PR and hes probably town.

So Rosso, what would you like done with GS than?

he should be vigged.

Rosso Carne, first you think Greasy Spot is town, then you want him vigged. That's scummy to suggest vigging someone who you think is town.

Major FOS Rosso Carne

[Lloyd]

I am John Michael Kane. I watch people but nobody sees me because I don't exist.

Is he talking about the mod?

Topic area wise, Greasy Spot's John Michael Kane claim seem to relate to Daniel Webb, Secret Agent, and Assassin claims thus far

[Lloyd]

GS:

If you can do anything other than claim, put the name of a player in this game in your next post.

If you must only claim, but can choose your claim, claim something beginning with any letter other than [A/B/C/D/E/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/N/O/P/Q/R/S/T/U/V/W/X/Y/Z] in your next post.

If you can only claim, and have no choice on the claim, do not comply with either of the above statements in your next post.

What would it mean if he claims Mr_Gnome_It_All?

[Lloyd]

Howdy all!!


Role Claim! I am the Assassin. I can't vote during the day but if you tell who you want killed at night I will kill them for you.

Since only you, Rosso Carne, and Mr_Gnome_It_All haven't voted yet today....Are the three of you working together as an Assassins?

What's with all the James Bond and Jason Bourne related role claim references recently? Although they tangentally circle back to your original role claim of Assassin.

Are you role claiming, and pete_d tells you "hot" or "cold", until you narrow in on a correct role needed to trigger a power in your role, or an event in this game?

Meta-gaming wise, if you start role claiming on day 1 in other games, then I'll want to nominate you for the title of "Role Claim!" in the Title Fairy thread at http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4310

[Lloyd]

Vote: Rosso Carne

I tried reading your breadcrumbs, and the only hint that I see is that you might be able to nightkill. With that said, it till doesn't explain what kind of danger our town is in.

Even if we hypothetically have a cult of killing scarecrows, I wouldn't find them dangerous enough of a threat at this point in the game.

I've rarely seen a game that ends on day 1 nor night 1, to the point of warranting a mass claim on day 1.

If mass claiming ends up breaking this game, then I definitely don't want to be a part of it. I'd rather just play the game out as the mod intended, and I doubt the mod would intentionally set this game up to be breakable.

[Lloyd]

I still don't see how there could be a danger that warrants a mass claim so early.

In a game where town starts out less-than-50-percent of the population (like in Kelly Open Setup 2 : Too Much Scum), I doubt a mass claim would have helped catch scum. Besides, there were two opportunities (sometimes three) to lynch per day in that game, in order to balance things out.

In a mini where it ended on night 1, Mini 438: Mutually Assured Destruction Mafia, I don't think mass claim would have helped catch scum either, since the scums in that game were given safe claims.

I've never seen a game where mass culting happens on night 1. Hypothetically, suppose we have two cults (based on the idea suggested in Game Idea: Double-Cult), then it would be difficult for our town to win. One possible way to balance it out is to allow multiple lynches per day.

I've seen no inclinations so far that this is a multi-lynch-per-day game, so I don't think we're in peril at this time as you seem to suggest.

[Lloyd]

Rosso, I still fail to see how you are saying a mass claim will help deal wiht a cult if I got your role right.

Rosso Carne, I agree with armlx. Could you give us another breadcrumb?
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Greasy Spot,

If you are currently culted and want to potentially be de-cultified instead of being vigged...

If you have a choice in communicating with us (other than saying Howdy all!!", "Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a Winner! ", and "My Mama made me"), could you post x # of consecutive claims quickly indicating who the cult leader may be?

1. aioqwe
2. Greasy Spot
3. Rosso Carne
4. Unity
5. ryan
6. armlx
7. thinktank
8. vIQleS
9. SensFan
10. Joubert
11. Mr_Gnome_It_All
12. Lloyd
13. pete_d
14. There is no cult

Hypothetical Example: If Greasy Spot is the cult leader, you could claim consecutively twice very quickly.

So far, it doesn't seem like your claims are time bounded (you've claimed multiple times in a single day), so I'm suggesting the above method as a way for you to communicate with our town.

[Lloyd]

unless this is similar to worst role evar, im fucking scared.

If this is similar to the Worst Role Evar game, then we should all just shoot ourselves in the foot

[Lloyd]

i am the CasiNo henchman. i sUpport the bosS in eVeRy way Possible, so thE bOss always loOks good.

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Vote: Greasy Spot

I don't think you are a jester as ryan suggested. At worst, you are a scum faking a post restriction and causing confusion.

I don't understand your recent CNUSVRPEOO cryptic hint.

Why wait until now, when you could have written something similar, CUEPSOOVNR, earlier with:
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aCtUally i am thE PSychOlOgist. i haVe to aNalyze eveRybody by day and send that info to the mod. if i am correct about a person i get to see their powers, if they have any.
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[Lloyd]

nervous cop=paranoid cop?

No. Nervous cops can find scums, but everyone else appears as neutral (i.e. not scum). Details at Dethy Extreme

My name is Seacret. My hair looks like I never comb it, but it's just a disguise.

What happened to the "I am ..."s?
Are you trying to same something about ryan in this game by typing Seacret instead of Seacrest?

[Lloyd]

Vote: Mr_Gnome_It_All

[Lloyd]

Gnome posts just enough to lurk under the radar.

He didn't vote yesterday.

He seemed to be more interested in GS' claims than finding scum.

[Lloyd]

Anyone else suspicious of Gnome?

[Lloyd]

BattleMage usually posts more frequently.

That's odd that he's continuing Mr_Gnome_It_All's pace of posting infrequently in this game.

[Lloyd]

i havent read the game. But i have read the OP
[...]
Which means Rosso has been lying from his very first post.

If you only read pete_d's Opening Post, and not the game yet, how do you know what Rosso Carne wrote in his first post from yesterday?
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A 12-person game with (at least) 2 scums AND a Cult Leader is probably the most broken game I've ever heard of. The Town stands no chance whatsoever.

The town won in Resident Evil 4 Mafia

3 scum in a 12 player game is balanced. Maybe 4 is a possibility, but a cult and 2 anti-town killing groups?

IMPOSSIBLE.

It is possible; the mechanics in Resident Evil 4 Mafia had the possibility of remaining uncured cult members turning into SKs, but cult members were cured before turning into SKs
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nervous cop=paranoid cop?

No. Nervous cops can find scums, but everyone else appears as neutral (i.e. not scum). Details at Dethy Extreme

So just to be perfectly clear... What is a Nervous Cop? How do the results appear for each type of alignment?

Joubert, see quotes above.
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Since we're speculating on flavor of night kills...

Here's my theory:
- stuffed full of straw: Probably by Mafia Scarecrows
- kicked out of the casino: Probably by Vig Bouncer
- torn to pieces: Probably by SK White Tiger (from Siegfried and Roy)
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alright fine, but when the cult grows uncontrollably, im getting replaced.

If you are alive tomorrow, will you ask to be replaced?

[Lloyd]

SK's dont get recruited. Even if for some reason there was a cult and this was the most unfair game EVER, SK's are not recruitable.

Cult cops probably isn't recruitable either, or else Rosso Carne's claimed role would be recruited already.

Battle Mage, I think you are mafia scum who is pushing for an SK (Rosso Carne)'s quick lynch.

Mafa Scums = Unity, Battle Mage, SensFan
SK = Rosso Carne

Game over.

[Lloyd]

Rosso, if we don't lynch you today, who would you tear to pieces tonight?

[Lloyd]

Perhaps we need to start talking about other possible scum. We should have at least one more, probably two... (RC may be one of them, or he may be a SK...)

- I think Rosso Carne is an SK who tore Unity to pieces last night

- I think Battle Mage is Scarecrow scum for pushing Rosso Carne's quick lynch. As for Mr_Gnome_It_All (Battle Mage's predecessor), he mostly lurked yesterday, and the only time he tried contributing, was asking others to decipher Greasy Spot's posts, which Unity agreed with Mr_Gnome_It_All

- I think SensFan is Scarecrow scum for his aggressive behavior toward ryan, for directing Greasy Spot excessively with confusing questions, and asking Greasy Spot to put his life on the line in determining ryan's alignment

Who agrees or disagrees, and what is your analysis?

[Lloyd]

not really caring.

Rosso, if we don't lynch you today, who would you tear to pieces tonight?

Rosso Carne,

I am happy with the discussion today to determine who to kick out next so I'm ready to hammer you.

Care to answer my question above? Or, you don't care at this point?

Any last words before I drop the hammer?

[Lloyd]

Rosso Carne is gone for a week (based on info from other games), so I doubt he'll be responding in the next 12 hours.

you can give me the answer im looking for to vote for someone else

You can't possibly be serious about "you can give me the answer im looking for", can you?

Earlier, you mentioned that if Rosso Carne isn't lynched today, you would ask for a replacement. Now, you're considering voting for someone else if Rosso gives you the answer you are looking for?

What answer could Rosso possibly give, for you to vote for someone else?

If you are serious about "the answer im looking for"...The only times I recall seeing players fish for info from others, is when groups (i.e. mafia or cult) don't know who each other are.

Some fishing examples are:
- Worst Role Evar - Godfather fishing to find his goon
- Rocks Papers Scissors (multi-mafia game) - Mafia fishing to find each other
- Resident Evil 4 - Cult members fishing to find each other

After Rosso is lynched...If he's not the SK, then this game could be over if we have 3 more night-kills.

If you want to clarify why you are fishing for information, this is the time to do so.

I think you writing "you can give me the answer im looking for" is a HUGE scum tell.

[Lloyd]

me trying to establish whether Rosso had ever played IRC Mafia before, in an attempt to assess whether it is likely that, as i had suspected, his claim had been inspired by that. Its the only place ive ever seen cult cop as a frequently occuring role.

Your answer is satisfactory. Given your explanation for meta-gaming reasons, I no longer think you were fishing for in-game reasons.

Why would mafia want to find other mafia in this game?Or perhaps more relevant-why would they want to keep quiet about it?

In some themed games (Worst Role Evar, Rocks Paper Scissors, Resident Evil 4), mafia and / or cult cannot talk to each other at night, nor know who each other are. Instead, they have to use their roles or PM'd clues to fish for info from each other in game. Whether that applies to this game or not, I don't know.

It's time to kick another suspect out of the casino.

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Vote: Rosso Carne