Mini 1891: Fat Boy Mafia [Over]

[Alisae]

Actually no I changed my mind I'm not explaining my Fire TR today.

[Alisae]

twoface vs grey is officially dead so their crossvotes are whatever

UNVOTE:
didn't know I even placed a vote tbh

[pieg]

what made you decide to break out of that mid game?

If you go back my reasoning was that I was starting to get votes on me. Which got me even more SR by town, same thing Fire is doing to me now

VOTE: wheme

[pieg]

Actually no I changed my mind I'm not explaining my Fire TR today.

why

[WhemeStar]

What is 802 lmao

[Darklyn]

Hmmm

[pieg]

read the post again and try to follow the vote to its logical conclusion

[WhemeStar]

Your voting me to get more out of me?

[pieg]

you win all the prizes now give me prizes in return by dishing out reasonings

[pieg]

if you are town it is in my best interest to keep you alive

in order to keep you alive i must know that you are town

in order to know that you are town i must receive tributes of reasonings and myrrh

once i know you are town i may direct my attentions to the other scumlord candidates

[pieg]

let me give you an example

alz is a scumlord candidate because his posts are long and ask many questions but do not display any original thought

because he voted desperado without reason and did nothing with the vote

because he voted me without reason and did nothing with the vote

because when i revealed that i was familiar with alz's scum meta he immediately started buddying me

alz's postings seems very busy but actually do nothing

is that helpful?

[Firebringer]

Actually no I changed my mind I'm not explaining my Fire TR today.

why do people not like explaining to me why they think i am town?

do people always just fake townread me or something?
or do they like me and just don't want to annoy me by scum reading me?

I promise to no longer get annoyed at next person who scum reads me.

[Firebringer]

You claimed miller in your first post in one of your games as scum, is that vague?

Claims mean nothing to me, and don't mean a thing when I claim them. They are purely there because I get bored and I like to see people react (most of the time, sometime I legit claim at random)

When I said "vague" I meant my reads are vague and I over compensate in reading a person as town or scum based on flimsy posts that normally I would probably think are only a bit indicative of something.

[Alz]

Suuuuuuure Pine...

The TwoFace slot is town, they're just being really silly.
Implosion's concern with me is probably coming from town.
Trusting Implosion here on why Pieg was wagoned, Pieg is most likely town as well.
Fire town.

Why do you think two face is town? And what do you make of grey' s slot from their interaction?
I agree about fire and implosion

Any scum reads?

[Alz]

Alz: I've said I think you're town and that Twoface is town. Everything he's done since the LAST time I said that have also pointed towards what I know of his town game. Not crazy about Whemestar but I don't know if it's scummy or just irritating. Might have more later. Alisae is either scum or Super Unnecesarily Paranoid Of Me, and we literally just finished our first game together and I know at least I was town, so I don't know where the paranoia is coming from. Persivul might be town but I don't remember what I read that made me feel that; let me answer this all again on Monday when I'm back at a computer. I don't have anything better than a null on everyone else, including pieg who I am voting, but I haven't seen anywhere I want to move my vote.

Sure

hmmm....
yeah massive you're probs town.
I was mostly just confused because some of your questions seemed genuine but were manipulative and you addressed your concern with that and I liked the way you did that.

btw massive Whemestar can be super lynchbaity.

I didn't like the earlier posts but I think this seems like the towny vibe from our last game together. But the last part I didn't get, he's scummy or he usually appears to be scummy?

[Alz]

1. My read is now null on him. The reason I scum-read him is gone, which is why I unvoted. I already posted why I would change my read based on the answer.
2. If I didn't lay the groundwork and ask him the question for him to answer, I'd be sticking to a scum-read I know was possibly untrue. In other words I'd be perpetuating a false read. Kinda the thing I voted him for.
3. I've never observed that sort of thing, but interactions aren't my forte. Although while I'm on that note, I don't think you should be looking at the interactions of two people when you don't think either of them are scum. I've tried that before and it typically doesn't work.

See the reason you gave before voting pieg at the beginning, is that his reads list was faulty and that mainly implosion had a TR of him which he kept perpetuating as seen in 263, 273. You kept focusing on him till 507 at which point you started backing down weirdly.

You then asked pieg what was the order he posted his reads list in saying that his answer would change your read. He said, he got it from activity overview, which was apparently enough for you? I don't understand how those two things correlate at all. This is very weird and completely vague reason to back off.

You asked him a vague question which imo has no bearing on perpetuating a false read. So according to this, you wanted him to give that answer which would prove he was not scum. All of this is weird.

I felt you were town at the beginning, a lot of your posts were similar to my thought process but this, it's scummy. It now feels like you were bussing him and then just slowly slid off

As for the last part, I've seen it happen a few times. I now don't think so strongly that implosion is scum, he seems more towny as posts go by. Pieg, yeah the scum reads reinforced by this and his prior posts on a read.

[Alz]

wheme who is scum

game is stagnating

neither of the lead wagons is interesting

twoface vs grey is officially dead so their crossvotes are whatever

if you're reading wheme as town hit me up

It wasn't intended as a town read. Thought you'd be willing to work with people with null reads or no reads on him as well.

So, instead of making a better scum case on him, you want someone to make a town case on him that you can pick apart?

My case is simple and I already stated it. Wheme got a scum PM and doesn't know what to do, which has resulted in his dumpster fire of an ISO.

If someone is townreading him I want to know why.

Okay, why do you scum read wheme? All of you have said prior to wheme adressing this, to wheme is asking him who he thinks is scum? So what's there in his ISO that made you scum read him?

[Alz]

i've made some good cases on d1 before.

this day is really stagnating though as people have mentioned. I don't really like wheme as the wagon to break that though.

@alz, i switched from desperado to nos because of the possibility of a wagon but the nos scumread is because of a couple things i've mentioned earlier. The pieg read flip is pretty off. Or well, the earlier pieg read based on page 1 in general, thinking more about it. Basing a read off of something so easily disprovable isn't a town tactic. I imagine if nos is town then they just had a misunderstanding but idk, it seemed straightforward to me. And i explained it like 4 times. Looks like just an easy thing to latch on to that was then harder to keep latching on to when it became obvious that it wasn't true.

I once again am wavering into the realm of mixed opinions on desperado.

I dunno about the first part about focusing on you and then saying that he didn't really intend to focus on you but I agree with his sudden turn around on pieg It could have been a misunderstanding and said as so(I didn't think about him probably doing that but that he didn't reinforces the weirdness of the 180)

[Alz]

It's how I felt at the time.

It's what you get

I don't like giving progressio. I like keeping my thoughts to myself if I can

How did I slip up if I'm scum

This part is weird. The responses to fire's question are not what I would've expected. Gave a reason after being voted and town not wanting to make their thoughts transparent other than laying a trap is weird and I don't think the latter is the case

[Alz]

Okay, I dunno, I'm kinda confused now. Implosion and Fire are town for me. I'm not really sure about desperado and twoface. Null to town I would say with some weird posts in between.

Pieg I was and still am reading as scum. Nos seems scummy weird as well with the 180 and his explanation for it. Wheme off late seems weird. Persivul seems okay but I did read him as weird at a point-I'm not sure now. Massive seems okay, dunno what to make of pine. Alisae seemed weird at the begining but her last reads list was okay but I did read grey as scummy with that interaction so not sure. Darklyn hasn't said anything, neither did prana except for that one weird reads list post.

[Nosferatu]

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

why can't you see scum asking to be part of a townbloc? is this in reference to you?

I want to form a town block.

Can I be in it pretty please

seems really awkward. But he did it lol

[Nosferatu]

1. My read is now null on him. The reason I scum-read him is gone, which is why I unvoted. I already posted why I would change my read based on the answer.
2. If I didn't lay the groundwork and ask him the question for him to answer, I'd be sticking to a scum-read I know was possibly untrue. In other words I'd be perpetuating a false read. Kinda the thing I voted him for.
3. I've never observed that sort of thing, but interactions aren't my forte. Although while I'm on that note, I don't think you should be looking at the interactions of two people when you don't think either of them are scum. I've tried that before and it typically doesn't work.

See the reason you gave before voting pieg at the beginning, is that his reads list was faulty and that mainly implosion had a TR of him which he kept perpetuating as seen in 263, 273. You kept focusing on him till 507 at which point you started backing down weirdly.

You then asked pieg what was the order he posted his reads list in saying that his answer would change your read. He said, he got it from activity overview, which was apparently enough for you? I don't understand how those two things correlate at all. This is very weird and completely vague reason to back off.

You asked him a vague question which imo has no bearing on perpetuating a false read. So according to this, you wanted him to give that answer which would prove he was not scum. All of this is weird.

I felt you were town at the beginning, a lot of your posts were similar to my thought process but this, it's scummy. It now feels like you were bussing him and then just slowly slid off

As for the last part, I've seen it happen a few times. I now don't think so strongly that implosion is scum, he seems more towny as posts go by. Pieg, yeah the scum reads reinforced by this and his prior posts on a read.

mb, I should've just assumed I was right and did absolutely nothing when I realized I could've been wrong. I should've followed through on a lynch that had a possibility of being town. That's honestly the stupidest thing I've heard this whole day. I started backing down because I doubted myself. I'm allowed to second-guess my reads, and if anything, it's what makes me town. It's called thinking clearly.

[Alz]

I never said you shouldn't change your reads or second guess yourself or should've done nothing. That's what I said to implosion, that you could've realized it was a misunderstanding and clarified it.

What I said was that, what I found scummy is the way you did it. The vague reason and the 180 and the manner it was done was scummy

[WhemeStar]

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

why can't you see scum asking to be part of a townbloc? is this in reference to you?

I want to form a town block.

Can I be in it pretty please

seems really awkward. But he did it lol

I'm an awkward guy

[Nosferatu]

I never said you shouldn't change your reads or second guess yourself or should've done nothing. That's what I said to implosion, that you could've realized it was a misunderstanding and clarified it.

What I said was that, what I found scummy is the way you did it. The vague reason and the 180 and the manner it was done was scummy

I just can't see how I could've transitioned better.

game is stagnating bc the leading wagon is on town and the competing wagon is on scum

VOTE: wheme

I can't see scum literally asking to be part of a townbloc :/

so have i tho

which game was that?

why can't you see scum asking to be part of a townbloc? is this in reference to you?

I want to form a town block.

Can I be in it pretty please

seems really awkward. But he did it lol

I'm an awkward guy

I see that