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Firebringer Trail Blazer
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whats to go off on? the guy feels very townie?
Do you want me to make a case on why he is town?
I really prefer only making cases on why someone is scum, not why someone is town.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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implosion he/himPolymathhe/him
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Firebringer Trail Blazer
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i just think pointing out that Pine doesn't see himself as a bad player is townish or at least theres no need to comment on it.In post 526, implosion wrote:I'm specifically curious what you saw in 452/454 since you implied that you found them especially townish. It's certainly a stance I agree with but I don't see what's especially townish about taking it.
I also saw him continuing questions in his ISO about whemestar that made me think he was hunting.
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"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Nosferatu Jack of All Trades
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yeah, figures. I was considering that you might've taken from the activity overview which would invalidate my case. Which you just did. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯In post 522, pieg wrote:
Oh I love appeasing scums! I read activity overview and randomly entered them. How in the world could you consider changing a read based on that?In post 507, Nosferatu wrote:UNVOTE:
Pers isn't that scummy. Just wrong.
speaking of which,
@pieg: one question for you, how exactly did you come up with the order for the players who hadn't spoken yet in your read list? I'd be willing to change my read based on your answer.
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Persivul Survivor
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I didn't say you were stupid. I said that your question was simplistic, and it was. "What's your scum meta" implies that the person has a single town and single scum play style. In reality, most people are more nuanced than that. I wouldn't play a cop the same as I'd play a VT for example, yet both are town.In post 513, Firebringer wrote:If you think meta is trash, don't make arguments with meta at me on why you are town/scum.
If you think none of your actions are scummy at all, argue that.
but don't entertain me with meta and then tell me I am being stupid for questioning you on it.
Could you honestly answer the questionWhat's your scum metain a way that captures the differences between all your town games and all your scum games, yet isn't ambiguous to the point of being meaningless?
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Persivul Survivor
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Except...I haven't pushed fire.In post 520, WhemeStar wrote:
Same, don't like his push on fire reallyIn post 497, -Grey- wrote:I could see myself lynching Persivul over Firebringer if they decide to 1v1.-
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DID YOU JUST CALL MY BOY FIRE SCUM?!In post 531, Persivul wrote:
Except...I haven't pushed fire.In post 520, WhemeStar wrote:
Same, don't like his push on fire reallyIn post 497, -Grey- wrote:I could see myself lynching Persivul over Firebringer if they decide to 1v1.“Trust is an orchid, beautiful but delicate, requiring ideal conditions in order to thrive. Without them, it dies.” - Dahrk (Arrow, Season 4)
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"-grey- would hardclaim an inno on his obv-scum partner D2 in a micro if he could" - gigabyteTroubadour
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Persivul Survivor
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You don't know what to make of me...yet you speak of me in the third person instead of trying to interact. I don't know what to think of fire, so I interact with him...and you criticize that. Can't say that I agree with your approach.In post 523, implosion wrote:@alz you should mention names in your posts, they're a lot harder to read/follow especially at a glance when you're just listing numbers.
I don't know what to make of persivul. His recent play is very opaque. I dislike the degree to which he's focused towards firebringer, and some of his posts towards him have felt viscerally scummy but I can't really justify why. Like 496. Just a really... idk, weird response. Not really productive, not relevant to the game, idk. And the way he talked about how he wouldn't push an easy mislynch as scum. I think he's telling the truth but it feels off. It feels like he's being too dismissive and that he's focusing his attention in fb's direction to the detriment of other directions (similar to what I criticized desperado of, but he is doing other things). I still think his early play reads gut town even taking experience into consideration (it's certainly fakeable but i think it's a little more likely not to be faked).-
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Nosferatu Jack of All Trades
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Yeah, that was pretty much the idea. I didn't think very much of his next read list, didn't see any interactive connections it had with implosion. I think imp's posts are all pretty genuine though. Feel free to push your bad vibez thoIn post 517, Alz wrote: 334
Pine wagon is bad-mainly because however we look at it, we're gonna be policy lynching him 'cause we can't read him. I dunno if it's a mod given post restriction or pine's just doing it not to be read, but it's dumb to lynch him.
SO you think, implosion just has a mistaken town read of Pieg which pieg is trying perpetuate? What do you make of Pieg's second reads list-where even though he says implosion has been great so far, he has him much lower down.
Why do you consider desp towny?
See, this is what I find weird. Implosion's last post was kinda sounded genuine, explaining his motivations on pieg. But his previous ones supporting pieg, pieg's reinforcing of that idea and his reads list where implosion is lower down all give off bad vibes to me. I'm really confused especially after implosion's last post.-
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TwoFace Jack of All Trades
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Nosferatu Jack of All Trades
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WhemeStar Survivor
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He's town???In post 535, TwoFace wrote:why doesn't grey have more votes on him?Im a dog that quacks-
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Can you link to his scum game where his reaction to being wagoned was similar to this game?In post 535, TwoFace wrote:why doesn't grey have more votes on him?-
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Persivul Survivor
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TwoFace Jack of All Trades
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Nope. I never use meta for a reason to read somebody.In post 541, Persivul wrote:I thought that was part of your argument on him.
You tried to influence my read on him off meta and I did say I would go look at that past game but haven't had time. But in reality it probably wouldn't matter much cause I don't like using meta.
He's scummy this game and I think he's scum. I've not seen anything that makes me change my mind.-
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Votecount 1.9:
pieg (4)- massive, Alz, Whemestar, Persivul
Nosferatu (2)- pieg, implosion
-Grey- (2)- TwoFace, Nosferatu,
Desperado (1)- Pine,
implosion (1)- PranaDevil
Firebringer (1)- -Grey-
PranaDevil (1)- Desperado
Not voting (1)- Firebringer
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is at 6am GMT on Friday 24th March 2017. (expired on 2017-03-24 06:00:00).Trans rights are human rights.-
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Persivul Survivor
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Prana ISO:
13 - RVS vote
25 - cutesy self-vote
28 - more fluff
158 - excuse not to post
394 - excuse not to post
409 - votes implosion based on bad vibes. Also feeling bad about pieg and pine.
461 - more excuses for not posting
Seems horrible, but there's a big BUT: I agree with all of those positions in 409. Implosion and pieg aren't controversial, but pine is to some extent.
Null/town for now. Need more content.-
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Firebringer Trail Blazer
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VOTE: NosferatuShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Firebringer Trail Blazer
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If you play Cop and VT differently I think your playing wrong tbh.In post 530, Persivul wrote:
I didn't say you were stupid. I said that your question was simplistic, and it was. "What's your scum meta" implies that the person has a single town and single scum play style. In reality, most people are more nuanced than that. I wouldn't play a cop the same as I'd play a VT for example, yet both are town.In post 513, Firebringer wrote:If you think meta is trash, don't make arguments with meta at me on why you are town/scum.
If you think none of your actions are scummy at all, argue that.
but don't entertain me with meta and then tell me I am being stupid for questioning you on it.
Could you honestly answer the questionWhat's your scum metain a way that captures the differences between all your town games and all your scum games, yet isn't ambiguous to the point of being meaningless?
If so, let's hear it.
I'm not saying you should play same every game but there's definitely going to be similarities.
My scum game? Ummm it's more filler prone. I try to emulate parts of my town game like tunneling and shit posting some would say more shit posting than town. I also tend to get frustrated easier? Or at least get annoyed by people who scumread me because they scumread me every game and then they will show case that game as an example of them reading me right. I also trust claims way more and it shows in the game. As town I am initially skeptical of all clans but as scum I take them almost at face value. My reads are more meta reliant as scum and I prefer to engage with people I played with before than talking to different players. Umm there's more but this is general differences.Show"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown-
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Firebringer Trail Blazer
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Ohhh I also talk a lot directly to my scummates in games.
I find that very helpfully when trying to ensure people are trying to associate hunt, they are almost always wrong when they examine who I talked tooShow"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
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